KB891711

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Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
(KB891711) Web site
Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
(KB888113) Web site

I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...

KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE

....After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
(OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
EndItAll2, & I no longer get...

"A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."

....at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
ones I've ever seen.

IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
once being online does not allow IE to work again.

So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
unchecked.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Luke]

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:03:24 -0500, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
>(KB891711) Web site
>Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
>(KB888113) Web site
>
>I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
>problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...
>
>KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
>c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
>
>...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
>(OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
>EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
>
>"A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
>
>...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
>resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
>ones I've ever seen.
>
>IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
>once being online does not allow IE to work again.
>
>So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
>tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
>unchecked.

FWIW all works fine here (so far) with the 891711 update. Maybe you
don't have enough Hidden + System files ;-). All seriousness aside, I
wonder if it's something to do with dialup. I'm on DSL.

--
Luke

 

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I would uncheck in msconfig, then uninstall at A/R programs.
Then do your cleanups-temps, tifs, etc.
Then download and reinstall making sure no third party intervention.
Some programs could interfere with the install. See:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=241234
WINUP-Third-Party Products That Conflict with Windows Update
SYMPTOMS
When connecting to the Windows Update site you experience errors accessing
the Product Catalog or you have download and installation failures for the
items listed in the Product Catalog.
----------
Then I would do as Gary suggested in another post to determine if it is the
cause or conflict with some other application.( for some reason can't find
the post)
"Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd use
MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one update that
has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup in
Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs"

Now you know the how's of all of that so get busy and tell us if it is the
update or something else. like maybe your antivirus. No problems for me.
--
mae

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eB4$K5oJFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
| (KB891711) Web site
| Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
| (KB888113) Web site
|
| I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
| problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...
|
| KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
| c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
|
| ...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
| (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
| EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
|
| "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
|
| ...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
| resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
| ones I've ever seen.
|
| IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
| once being online does not allow IE to work again.
|
| So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
| tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
| unchecked.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
|

 

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"PCR" wrote:

> Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
> (KB891711) Web site
> Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
> (KB888113) Web site
>
> I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
> problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...
>
> KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
> c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
>
> ....After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
> (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
> EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
>
> "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
>
> ....at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
> resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
> ones I've ever seen.
>
> IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
> once being online does not allow IE to work again.
>
> So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
> tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
> unchecked.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> YOU KNOW WHAT i CANT BELIEVE, that they actually put this thing on our start ups without explicitly saying they were. I download ms updates with full trust. suddenly I see a kb891711 and I think , oh woe is me, the sword of damoclese is hanging over my hard drive., then I find out its a microsoft update that failed to tell me that they were going to put a kb891711 in my startups.
they should have called it uneedthis,itsudatefrom,ms
>

 

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No problem on mine PCR, however I agree it is strange to have KB891711
in my STARTUP.

Dan

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eB4$K5oJFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
> (KB891711) Web site
> Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
> (KB888113) Web site
>
> I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
> problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup
Group...
>
> KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
> c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
>
> ...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the
NET.
> (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
> EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
>
> "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
>
> ...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
> resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
> ones I've ever seen.
>
> IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline
after
> once being online does not allow IE to work again.
>
> So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig,
Startup
> tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with
it
> unchecked.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[Guest]

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PCR wrote:
> Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
> (KB891711) Web site
> Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
> (KB888113) Web site
>
> I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
> problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...
>
> KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
> c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
>
> ...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
> (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
> EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
>
> "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
>
> ...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
> resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
> ones I've ever seen.
>
> IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
> once being online does not allow IE to work again.
>
> So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
> tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
> unchecked.
>
>

Not seeing any problems here...so far.

Bit unusual for a security update to be put into the Startup group
though, isn't it?

--
Regards

Nigel Stapley

www.judgemental.plus.com

<reply-to will bounce>

 

[Guest]

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Thanks for all these responses.

Nigel... Right, I've never seen a critical put into the Startup Group
before. I am glad it is working for most folk.

Luke... DSL, hmm. Yea, I am dial-up with NetZero.

mae... I've never had to do all that before. McAfee has never
interfered, either. There was no error accessing Windows Update, (until
afterwards). All went quick & well, with the little thing coming in in
under a minute. EVEN IE works offline, getting sites from my TIFs. It's
only after I connect to the NET with NetZero, I get that orderly BSOD
every time I try to click an URL or IE. HOWEVER, I suppose I could try
all of that, pending I don't see an MVP or even a rare MS personage pop
in with some kind of admission of guilt & apology!

Elizabeth... Your symptoms seem different. I suppose it still could be
KB891711 doing it, & soon you will know. You won't need SpyBot to remove
it, though. Just uncheck it in MSConfig, or uninstall it at "Control
Panel, Add/Remove Programs".

Dapper... Glad it works for you. Yes, strange to see it there.

harikrishna... Absolutely, it is weird for it to be in the Startup
Group!

WELL, I guess I'll go click...
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
....to see whether it has any kind of warning.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eB4$K5oJFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
| (KB891711) Web site
| Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
| (KB888113) Web site
|
| I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
| problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup
Group...
|
| KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
| c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
|
| ...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the
NET.
| (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
| EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
|
| "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
|
| ...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
| resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
| ones I've ever seen.
|
| IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline
after
| once being online does not allow IE to work again.
|
| So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig,
Startup
| tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with
it
| unchecked.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
|

 

[Elizabeth]

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I tried something similar.

IE work be working fine then suddenly freeze. I couldn't do a thing
about it other than switch off the computer. It happened several
times.

scanning for viruses and spyware and finally determining that I had
neither, I unchecked KB891711 in Spybot's list of my startup programs.
If all goes well tomorrow without it, I can delete it within Spybot. I
hope that works.

Beth

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:03:24 -0500, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
>(KB891711) Web site
>Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
>(KB888113) Web site
>
>I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
>problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...
>
>KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
>c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
>
>...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
>(OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
>EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
>
>"A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
>
>...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
>resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
>ones I've ever seen.
>
>IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
>once being online does not allow IE to work again.
>
>So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
>tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
>unchecked.

 

[Elizabeth]

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If that's the problem, then why has Windows Update been working
successfully all these years until now? What's more insecure?
disabling this "update" or uninstalling my virus scanner so I can
download a possible virus?

Beth

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:04:18 -0600, "mae" <agrannie@notemail.msn.com>
wrote:

>Some programs could interfere with the install. See:
>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=241234
>WINUP-Third-Party Products That Conflict with Windows Update
>SYMPTOMS

 

[Guest]

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If you're going to uninstall a program, you do *not* want to disable it
in MSCONFIG. Or rather, it's not as simple as that.

What you want to do is disable it in MSCONFIG, restart, then re-enable
it but *don't* restart. Then perform the uninstall. Otherwise, if the
item is disabled when uninstalling, the entry won't be removed by the
uninstall, and you either have to leave it permanently disabled in
MSCONFIG or you get an error at startup--"Can't find blahblah.exe..."

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"mae" <agrannie@notemail.msn.com> wrote in message
news:upVRIcpJFHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I would uncheck in msconfig, then uninstall at A/R programs.
> Then do your cleanups-temps, tifs, etc.
> Then download and reinstall making sure no third party intervention.
> Some programs could interfere with the install. See:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=241234
> WINUP-Third-Party Products That Conflict with Windows Update
> SYMPTOMS
> When connecting to the Windows Update site you experience errors
accessing
> the Product Catalog or you have download and installation failures for
the
> items listed in the Product Catalog.
> ----------
> Then I would do as Gary suggested in another post to determine if it
is the
> cause or conflict with some other application.( for some reason can't
find
> the post)
> "Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd use
> MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one update
that
> has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup in
> Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs"
>
> Now you know the how's of all of that so get busy and tell us if it is
the
> update or something else. like maybe your antivirus. No problems for
me.
> --
> mae
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:eB4$K5oJFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
> | (KB891711) Web site
> | Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
> | (KB888113) Web site
> |
> | I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
> | problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup
Group...
> |
> | KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
> | c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
> |
> | ...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the
NET.
> | (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
> | EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
> |
> | "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
> |
> | ...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
> | resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
> | ones I've ever seen.
> |
> | IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline
after
> | once being online does not allow IE to work again.
> |
> | So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig,
Startup
> | tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with
it
> | unchecked.
> |
> |
> | --
> | Thanks or Good Luck,
> | There may be humor in this post, and,
> | Naturally, you will not sue,
> | should things get worse after this,
> | PCR
> | pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |
> |
>

 

[galen]

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In news:upVRIcpJFHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
mae <agrannie@notemail.msn.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> I would uncheck in msconfig, then uninstall at A/R programs.

There is still a lot unknown about this. Actually, given the Microsoft pages
and my own lack of attention I was first afraid this could be malware as
I've not once seen an update run as an executable in the task manager.
Never...

This is in addition to the information Mae gave... I would certainly follow
their steps to see if this helps because some people have problems while
other people do not. I'm hoping, also, that Noel will notice these threads.
He's good with 9x issues, better than I can hope to be.

There's another solution besides MSCONFIG, that is this:

http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

The full install will put a handy icon in your task bar that's called
Startup, from there you can more easily alter the applications and, if need
be, restore disabled items. I'd give that a try, see what needs to run, if
you happen to find a common running application that's messing up the PCs
then it's a good thing if you post your response.

At this point I know of no known answer for this problem and nobody else
seems to either. If you go the Microsoft site (or call support it seems)
you'll find that they don't know that you can even install this on 98/ME it
seems. They are friendly though.

The only way it's installed is via the Windows Update site. You can't
download it otherwise. I've tried... *chuckles*

I'm not able to recommend uninstalling it. See the details of what it
prevents and you'll see why:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx <-- Not a
risk you want to take...

I'm also not sure what to give for advice other than what Mae has already
said. Clean your sytem and start there, if there's still an issue post back
and we can continue to work on it from there I suppose. I've a 98 system
ready to go and ready to test this, I am just waiting for more info before I
start the download and install it. As confirmation, yes, 'tis listed in the
updates but ONLY if I automatically update on a 98 system or an ME system.

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.

 

[galen]

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In news:%233IGixpJFHA.2356@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
Dapper Dan <dapperdan@home.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> No problem on mine PCR, however I agree it is strange to have KB891711
> in my STARTUP.
>
> Dan

Dan,

I'm sorry to bug you but if it's working well on your system (and still
before it's installed on my test machine) could you do me a favor? You don't
have to but I'm a bit curious...

It's runing as a running process. Could you consider downloading this:

http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/procexp.shtml

From there you should be able to see how much RAM it's eating and the number
of threads that it's using for instance. Could you give me/us the
information that you get from that application? It won't harm your OS, it's
small, and I hope that you'll be able to find it useful for more than this
test

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.

 

[Guest]

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"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:ueN8YUvJFHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
> If you're going to uninstall a program, you do *not* want to disable it
> in MSCONFIG. Or rather, it's not as simple as that.
>
> What you want to do is disable it in MSCONFIG, restart, then re-enable
> it but *don't* restart. Then perform the uninstall. Otherwise, if the
> item is disabled when uninstalling, the entry won't be removed by the
> uninstall, and you either have to leave it permanently disabled in
> MSCONFIG or you get an error at startup--"Can't find blahblah.exe..."

Yes that's true, good catch.

The install is really really a simple one though, and just for notation here
is exactly what the simple install does, and from this it's easy to make
sure the uninstall is complete if ever need be:

(for files - only 3 were added and no other file changes were made)

C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98\
891711UN.INF

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KB891711\
KB891711exe
Q891711.dll

(and for the registry the install only Added a few entires - it made no other changes)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{2cd1b477-8d46-4b86-b7dc-13fb65fb5914}]
@="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
"IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
"Locale"="EN"
"Version"="4.10.0.2222"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices]
"KB891711"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.EXE"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates\W98\UPD891711]
@="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.EXE"=""
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\Q891711.DLL"=""

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\891711]
@=""
"DisplayName"="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
"UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98\\891711UN.INF"


Rick

>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

 

[Luke]

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 04:42:33 -0500, "Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]
>I'm sorry to bug you but if it's working well on your system (and still
>before it's installed on my test machine) could you do me a favor? You don't
>have to but I'm a bit curious...
>
>It's runing as a running process. Could you consider downloading this:
>
>http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/procexp.shtml
>
>From there you should be able to see how much RAM it's eating and the number
>of threads that it's using for instance. Could you give me/us the
>information that you get from that application? It won't harm your OS, it's
>small, and I hope that you'll be able to find it useful for more than this
>test

Here's what Process Explorer shows for KB891711.EXE which seems to run fine on my machine:

PROCESS CID CPU DESCRIPTION
KB891711.EXE 0xFFFEB3CD Windows KB891711 component

Name Description Company Name Version
ADVAPI32.DLL Win32 ADVAPI32 core component Microsoft Corporation 4.80.0000.1675
apitrap.dll Apitrap Symantec Corporation 4.05.0000.0026
GDI32.DLL Win32 GDI core component Microsoft Corporation 4.10.0000.1998
KERNEL32.DLL Win32 Kernel core component Microsoft Corporation 4.10.0000.2222
Msh_zwf.dll Microsoft IntelliPoint Microsoft Corporation 4.10.0851.0000
qdcspi.dll Quarterdeck QDCSPI Library Quarterdeck Corporation 1.00.0000.0001
USER32.DLL Win32 USER32 core component Microsoft Corporation 4.10.0000.2222

Type Name
Mutex WHEEL_FEATURES_MUTEX
Process KB891711.EXE(FFFEB3CD)

--
Luke

 

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Galen
I downloaded and ran procexp, however I am going to have to do a
little reading to figure out how the program works. From what I can
ascertain, it is reporting using one thread and it does not report any
Ram usage for KB891711. I attach a copy of the file for your
guidance. In the meantime, let me know if you want to tell me which
buttons to press to provide you with what else you are seeking
regarding KB891711. I'm here for another hour or so and then gone for
the weekend.

Dan

"Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ed6ITfuJFHA.656@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> In news:%233IGixpJFHA.2356@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
> Dapper Dan <dapperdan@home.com> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
> > No problem on mine PCR, however I agree it is strange to have
KB891711
> > in my STARTUP.
> >
> > Dan
>
> Dan,
>
> I'm sorry to bug you but if it's working well on your system (and
still
> before it's installed on my test machine) could you do me a favor?
You don't
> have to but I'm a bit curious...
>
> It's runing as a running process. Could you consider downloading
this:
>
> http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/procexp.shtml
>
> From there you should be able to see how much RAM it's eating and
the number
> of threads that it's using for instance. Could you give me/us the
> information that you get from that application? It won't harm your
OS, it's
> small, and I hope that you'll be able to find it useful for more
than this
> test
>
> Galen
> --
> Signature changed for a moment of silence.
> Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.
>
>

 

[Dan]

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Working fine here with ZA PRO software firewall as well as anti-spyware apps.
and other stuff installed too.

"mae" <agrannie@notemail.msn.com> wrote in message
news:upVRIcpJFHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: I would uncheck in msconfig, then uninstall at A/R programs.
: Then do your cleanups-temps, tifs, etc.
: Then download and reinstall making sure no third party intervention.
: Some programs could interfere with the install. See:
: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=241234
: WINUP-Third-Party Products That Conflict with Windows Update
: SYMPTOMS
: When connecting to the Windows Update site you experience errors accessing
: the Product Catalog or you have download and installation failures for the
: items listed in the Product Catalog.
: ----------
: Then I would do as Gary suggested in another post to determine if it is the
: cause or conflict with some other application.( for some reason can't find
: the post)
: "Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd use
: MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one update that
: has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup in
: Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs"
:
: Now you know the how's of all of that so get busy and tell us if it is the
: update or something else. like maybe your antivirus. No problems for me.
: --
: mae
:
: "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: news:eB4$K5oJFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: | Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: | (KB891711) Web site
: | Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: | (KB888113) Web site
: |
: | I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
: | problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...
: |
: | KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
: | c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
: |
: | ...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
: | (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
: | EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
: |
: | "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
: |
: | ...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
: | resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
: | ones I've ever seen.
: |
: | IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
: | once being online does not allow IE to work again.
: |
: | So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
: | tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
: | unchecked.
: |
: |
: | --
: | Thanks or Good Luck,
: | There may be humor in this post, and,
: | Naturally, you will not sue,
: | should things get worse after this,
: | PCR
: | pcrrcp@netzero.net
: |
: |
:

 

[Dan]

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It is not a virus. Beth, have you cleaned the baddie(s) that were on your
machine. You loaded into safe mode, checked all the programs in add/remove
for anything you did not recognize as well as doing a full anti-virus scan at
the graphical safe mode level as well as doing antispyware scans with at a
bare minimum Adaware SE (Latest Version) and Spybot -- Search and Destroy.
In the future, block html code in e-mail (ideally read in plain text), be
careful with where you browse to, use SpywareBlaster to prevent baddies from
getting on your machine and finally consider using an alternative browser
like Mozilla Firefox to help protect your machine because it is open source,
does not have ActiveX technology which is vulnerable, uses higher
encryption -- IE limited to only 128 bit encryption -- Firefox supports at
least 256 bit encryption and who knows but the supported encryption could be
even higher, etc.

"Elizabeth" <bethvollbach@earthlink.deletethis.net> wrote in message
news:gve431ld1v81t5l9aab1d8rb3ea68uq84h@4ax.com...
: If that's the problem, then why has Windows Update been working
: successfully all these years until now? What's more insecure?
: disabling this "update" or uninstalling my virus scanner so I can
: download a possible virus?
:
: Beth
:
: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:04:18 -0600, "mae" <agrannie@notemail.msn.com>
: wrote:
:
: >Some programs could interfere with the install. See:
: >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=241234
: >WINUP-Third-Party Products That Conflict with Windows Update
: >SYMPTOMS
:

 

[Dan]

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Nobody knows about this because my certified letter with a return receipt was
addressed to Bill Gates and was for his eyes only and his top Windows
Development Staff and not the low level employees at Microsoft.

"Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eUwlucuJFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: In news:upVRIcpJFHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
: mae <agrannie@notemail.msn.com> had this to say:
:
: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
:
: > I would uncheck in msconfig, then uninstall at A/R programs.
:
: There is still a lot unknown about this. Actually, given the Microsoft
pages
: and my own lack of attention I was first afraid this could be malware as
: I've not once seen an update run as an executable in the task manager.
: Never...
:
: This is in addition to the information Mae gave... I would certainly follow
: their steps to see if this helps because some people have problems while
: other people do not. I'm hoping, also, that Noel will notice these threads.
: He's good with 9x issues, better than I can hope to be.
:
: There's another solution besides MSCONFIG, that is this:
:
: http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml
:
: The full install will put a handy icon in your task bar that's called
: Startup, from there you can more easily alter the applications and, if need
: be, restore disabled items. I'd give that a try, see what needs to run, if
: you happen to find a common running application that's messing up the PCs
: then it's a good thing if you post your response.
:
: At this point I know of no known answer for this problem and nobody else
: seems to either. If you go the Microsoft site (or call support it seems)
: you'll find that they don't know that you can even install this on 98/ME it
: seems. They are friendly though.
:
: The only way it's installed is via the Windows Update site. You can't
: download it otherwise. I've tried... *chuckles*
:
: I'm not able to recommend uninstalling it. See the details of what it
: prevents and you'll see why:
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx <-- Not a
: risk you want to take...
:
: I'm also not sure what to give for advice other than what Mae has already
: said. Clean your sytem and start there, if there's still an issue post back
: and we can continue to work on it from there I suppose. I've a 98 system
: ready to go and ready to test this, I am just waiting for more info before
I
: start the download and install it. As confirmation, yes, 'tis listed in the
: updates but ONLY if I automatically update on a 98 system or an ME system.
:
: Galen
: --
: Signature changed for a moment of silence.
: Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.
:
:

 

[Dan]

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Beth, what about DEFY thing that you posted about earlier? Also, what
programs are you running so that we can check for a potential conflict with
the patch on your system?

"Elizabeth" <bethvollbach@earthlink.deletethis.net> wrote in message
news:vud431lsihkjcrlfrevd9fi3v59k87mjge@4ax.com...
: I tried something similar.
:
: IE work be working fine then suddenly freeze. I couldn't do a thing
: about it other than switch off the computer. It happened several
: times.
:
: scanning for viruses and spyware and finally determining that I had
: neither, I unchecked KB891711 in Spybot's list of my startup programs.
: If all goes well tomorrow without it, I can delete it within Spybot. I
: hope that works.
:
: Beth
:
: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:03:24 -0500, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
:
: >Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: >(KB891711) Web site
: >Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: >(KB888113) Web site
: >
: >I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
: >problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...
: >
: >KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
: >c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
: >
: >...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
: >(OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
: >EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
: >
: >"A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
: >
: >...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
: >resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
: >ones I've ever seen.
: >
: >IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
: >once being online does not allow IE to work again.
: >
: >So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
: >tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
: >unchecked.
:

 

[Dan]

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Dan W.'s machine is fine as well. :>

"Dapper Dan" <dapperdan@home.com> wrote in message
news:%233IGixpJFHA.2356@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: No problem on mine PCR, however I agree it is strange to have KB891711
: in my STARTUP.
:
: Dan
:
: "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: news:eB4$K5oJFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: > Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: > (KB891711) Web site
: > Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: > (KB888113) Web site
: >
: > I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
: > problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup
: Group...
: >
: > KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
: > c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
: >
: > ...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the
: NET.
: > (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
: > EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
: >
: > "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
: >
: > ...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
: > resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
: > ones I've ever seen.
: >
: > IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline
: after
: > once being online does not allow IE to work again.
: >
: > So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig,
: Startup
: > tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with
: it
: > unchecked.
: >
: >
: > --
: > Thanks or Good Luck,
: > There may be humor in this post, and,
: > Naturally, you will not sue,
: > should things get worse after this,
: > PCR
: > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: >
: >
:
:

 

[Dan]

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I would be grateful that a hacker has not targetted your system and hacked
into it and be a little more appreciative towards Microsoft if I were you but
that is my opinion and do as thou wilt. True, it is not the best solution
but it is better than having a vulnerable machine and true the user could
have been warned but 98SE is in final critical support phaze which will end
on 30 June 2006 barring a miracle that I hope will happen.

"harikrishna" <harikrishna@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:130E4D7E-567B-4BBE-941F-3212EF298B85@microsoft.com...
:
:
: "PCR" wrote:
:
: > Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: > (KB891711) Web site
: > Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: > (KB888113) Web site
: >
: > I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
: > problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup Group...
: >
: > KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
: > c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
: >
: > ....After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the NET.
: > (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
: > EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
: >
: > "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
: >
: > ....at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
: > resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
: > ones I've ever seen.
: >
: > IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline after
: > once being online does not allow IE to work again.
: >
: > So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup
: > tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with it
: > unchecked.
: >
: >
: > --
: > Thanks or Good Luck,
: > There may be humor in this post, and,
: > Naturally, you will not sue,
: > should things get worse after this,
: > PCR
: > pcrrcp@netzero.net
: >
: > YOU KNOW WHAT i CANT BELIEVE, that they actually put this thing on our
start ups without explicitly saying they were. I download ms updates with
full trust. suddenly I see a kb891711 and I think , oh woe is me, the sword
of damoclese is hanging over my hard drive., then I find out its a microsoft
update that failed to tell me that they were going to put a kb891711 in my
startups.
: they should have called it uneedthis,itsudatefrom,ms
: >

 

[Dan]

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PCR, Beth has one or many baddies on her machine. Imo, we need to be
thankful for that Microsoft released anything at all and we all should be
grateful that this critical vulnerability has been patched. BTW, PCR, I am
dealing with a commercial KEYLOGGER on the XPPRO. side of my machine that I
have been unable to remove even in safe mode. I am at wits end and need all
the help I can get to fix it and so much for so called security of XPPRO in
NTFS file system and like I have said many times and fully agree with Chris
Quirke, MVP is why XPPRO is less than 98SE is that it does not have a
Maintenance Operating System. Hopefully, Microsoft will soon fix this or
Linux and associated competitors may become the next monopolies in the
operating system market.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:um2gHGsJFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Thanks for all these responses.
:
: Nigel... Right, I've never seen a critical put into the Startup Group
: before. I am glad it is working for most folk.
:
: Luke... DSL, hmm. Yea, I am dial-up with NetZero.
:
: mae... I've never had to do all that before. McAfee has never
: interfered, either. There was no error accessing Windows Update, (until
: afterwards). All went quick & well, with the little thing coming in in
: under a minute. EVEN IE works offline, getting sites from my TIFs. It's
: only after I connect to the NET with NetZero, I get that orderly BSOD
: every time I try to click an URL or IE. HOWEVER, I suppose I could try
: all of that, pending I don't see an MVP or even a rare MS personage pop
: in with some kind of admission of guilt & apology!
:
: Elizabeth... Your symptoms seem different. I suppose it still could be
: KB891711 doing it, & soon you will know. You won't need SpyBot to remove
: it, though. Just uncheck it in MSConfig, or uninstall it at "Control
: Panel, Add/Remove Programs".
:
: Dapper... Glad it works for you. Yes, strange to see it there.
:
: harikrishna... Absolutely, it is weird for it to be in the Startup
: Group!
:
: WELL, I guess I'll go click...
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
: ...to see whether it has any kind of warning.
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: pcrrcp@netzero.net
: "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
: news:eB4$K5oJFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: | Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: | (KB891711) Web site
: | Successful Thursday, March 10, 2005 Security Update for Windows 98
: | (KB888113) Web site
: |
: | I see no problem with the second of those, but KB891711 is causing a
: | problem on my machine. It places KB891711.EXE into the Startup
: Group...
: |
: | KB891711 Registry (Machine Service)
: | c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
: |
: | ...After that, I am unable to open IE, once I have connected to the
: NET.
: | (OE & E do continue to work.) Now, I have closed KB891711.EXE using
: | EndItAll2, & I no longer get...
: |
: | "A fatal exception 0D has occurred at 0000:0000FA0E...."
: |
: | ...at every attempt to open IE. The crash is orderly, & Windows will
: | resume nicely by "click(ing) any key", which is rare for BSOD's, the
: | ones I've ever seen.
: |
: | IE does work offline before I connect using NetZero. Going offline
: after
: | once being online does not allow IE to work again.
: |
: | So, I've unchecked KB891711.EXE at "START button, Run, MSConfig,
: Startup
: | tab", & wait patiently for a fix at Windows Update. All is well with
: it
: | unchecked.
: |
: |
: | --
: | Thanks or Good Luck,
: | There may be humor in this post, and,
: | Naturally, you will not sue,
: | should things get worse after this,
: | PCR
: | pcrrcp@netzero.net
: |
: |
:
:

 

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Right, you can only get it at Windows Update, maybe. But, apparently
it's in the catalog there. So, you don't have to immediately install
it...

H:\WU\Software\en\com_microsoft.windows98andwindows98secondedition\x86Wi
n98>

H:\WU\Software\en\com_microsoft.windows98andwindows98secondedition\x86Wi
n98\com_
microsoft.891711_98_SP1_WinSE_295>dir /s /a
Directory of
H:\WU\Software\en\com_microsoft.windows98andwindows98secondedition\
x86Win98\com_microsoft.891711_98_SP1_WinSE_295
WINDOW~1 EXE 152,536 03-10-05 12:27a Windows98-KB891711-ENU.EXE
READMORE URL 99 03-10-05 12:27a ReadMore.url
2 file(s) 152,635 bytes


BUT, while I take all of those into H:\, I've never actually tried to
install one from H:\. I install them from the site directly.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eUwlucuJFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| In news:upVRIcpJFHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
| mae <agrannie@notemail.msn.com> had this to say:
|
| My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
|
| > I would uncheck in msconfig, then uninstall at A/R programs.
|
| There is still a lot unknown about this. Actually, given the Microsoft
pages
| and my own lack of attention I was first afraid this could be malware
as
| I've not once seen an update run as an executable in the task manager.
| Never...
|
| This is in addition to the information Mae gave... I would certainly
follow
| their steps to see if this helps because some people have problems
while
| other people do not. I'm hoping, also, that Noel will notice these
threads.
| He's good with 9x issues, better than I can hope to be.
|
| There's another solution besides MSCONFIG, that is this:
|
| http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml
|
| The full install will put a handy icon in your task bar that's called
| Startup, from there you can more easily alter the applications and, if
need
| be, restore disabled items. I'd give that a try, see what needs to
run, if
| you happen to find a common running application that's messing up the
PCs
| then it's a good thing if you post your response.
|
| At this point I know of no known answer for this problem and nobody
else
| seems to either. If you go the Microsoft site (or call support it
seems)
| you'll find that they don't know that you can even install this on
98/ME it
| seems. They are friendly though.
|
| The only way it's installed is via the Windows Update site. You can't
| download it otherwise. I've tried... *chuckles*
|
| I'm not able to recommend uninstalling it. See the details of what it
| prevents and you'll see why:
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx <--
Not a
| risk you want to take...
|
| I'm also not sure what to give for advice other than what Mae has
already
| said. Clean your sytem and start there, if there's still an issue post
back
| and we can continue to work on it from there I suppose. I've a 98
system
| ready to go and ready to test this, I am just waiting for more info
before I
| start the download and install it. As confirmation, yes, 'tis listed
in the
| updates but ONLY if I automatically update on a 98 system or an ME
system.
|
| Galen
| --
| Signature changed for a moment of silence.
| Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.
|
|

 

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PCR wrote:
> Right, you can only get it at Windows Update, maybe. But, apparently
> it's in the catalog there. So, you don't have to immediately install it...

"You don't have to immediately install it"? LOL. You don't have to
install it at all. Thanks, but no thanks.

Well, ok, YOU might, but... LOL.

 

[Dan]

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Bill you will come around eventually. <smile>

"Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23X4rxJ1JFHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: PCR wrote:
: > Right, you can only get it at Windows Update, maybe. But, apparently
: > it's in the catalog there. So, you don't have to immediately install
it...
:
: "You don't have to immediately install it"? LOL. You don't have to
: install it at all. Thanks, but no thanks.
:
: Well, ok, YOU might, but... LOL.
:
:
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