KDM Power Supplies are good

[computermonkey]

I see a lot of people bash KDM power supplies but I don't think it's warranted.
I've used bad power supplies - I had tried "solid gear" power supplies in multiple computers, and in each case they caused weird problems like freezing and crashing, strange sounds from hard drives (probably pushing uneven current), and symptoms like touching the case causing the computer to turn off.

On the other hand the KDM power supplies that I replaced these units with have been rock solid and those problems have disappeared, on multiple units.

That and:
(1) It is a US based company that puts their name on the product. Companies don't do that liability wise unless you are pretty sure you're selling a solid product.
(2) They have over 50000 sales on ebay, with positive feedback. You wouldn't stay in business that long on any marketplace selling junk.

Personally I think it's brand snobbery, like saying it has to be Antec/SeaSonic/Corsair etc or it's junk. Just not true in reality.

 

[DSzymborski]

I respect your opinion but don't agree. I'm a seller in a different industry but you could say my own website isn't fancy. The truth is 99% of sales come from marketplaces today and you get almost no ROI on fancy sites because google has killed SEO.
In my case I list products on eBay and .Bonanza. and my listing system just happens to indirectly list on a crappy website offered by bonanza.. Considering the website has almost no traffic I really don't care.
It exists to say i'm in business and the real sales come from marketplaces. Does that mean my products are bad? Nope.

And as I mentioned, I do business with other companies in the same boat who have great products.
So it is brand snobbishness, from my point of view.

"Of course, asbestos is safe! Hundreds of companies sell asbestos-based insulation because it's inexpensive and very resistant to heat. Why would US companies sell something dangerous with their name behind it? I've installed tons of asbestos and I've never heard of anyone getting sick."

We get it dude, you're unethical. Good luck with that.

 

[computermonkey]

They both have this problem.




Both Amazon and Ebay have hundreds and thousands of positive feedbacks that are based on stupidity, like whether the damn thing even ARRIVED, at ALL, or if it looked nice, or if the system simply managed to power on after it was installed.

OK I can definatly agree that many people might rate something good without knowing otherwise. But it isn't worth zero either. It's a factor that should get some bearing.

Coincidentally i'm about to leave a seller a negative feedback, which I almost never do since I know it really hurts people - but they are that bad. Feedback wouldn't exist if it doesn't have any value.

 

[BNCID]

Coolmax? KDM? Those are re-branded generic garbage. I would be ashamed to put any of those in a system I built no matter what the system was going to be used for. You and these companies seem to have something in common, cutting corners on quality so you can make more money off some poor schmuck.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Geocities was great - I wish it still existed. Do I care if the website provides useful information vs looks fancy? The first option.
Iv'e done business with distributors that have crappy websites but have good products. The fact that you can't imagine otherwise is just brand snobbishness.

Brand Snobbishness? Hardly. Having a site as crap as that shows a lack of effort or care about their product or product line. They sell junk Chinese PSUs, they've been tested by people with actual testing equipment to be junk (not anecdotal evidence as you've presented). So you can come here and tell us tell youre blue in the face that they are good. Go get yourself an oscilloscope and show us how good they are.

I know you can't but even if you could I know that you would have nothing to back up your claims.

 

[schmuckley]

Good? No.
May not blow your comp up? Maybe.
Who wants to take that chance?

 

[computermonkey]

Coolmax? KDM? Those are re-branded generic garbage. I would be ashamed to put any of those in a system I built no matter what the system was going to be used for. You and these companies seem to have something in common, cutting corners on quality so you can make more money off some poor schmuck.

They are not poor schmucks but people that see value that other people are too snobby to see.

 

[computermonkey]

Coolmax?

Nope, coolmax is awesome. Used their PSU's for over 20 years and only had one die and it didn't hurt any other hardware.
You just are not open enough to consider otherwise since you need to have a fancy brand name to feel ok.

 

[computermonkey]

Well i'm obviouisly note going to convince anyone on this forum. Haters are going to hate. But for others visiting this thread from outside: Give KDM a try. They are better than the naysayers say from my real world experience with bad power supplies. And Coolmax is great too. Wouldn't recommend Solid Gear at all though, they caused all kinds of system instability on multiple machines.

 

[BNCID]

Nope, coolmax is awesome. Used their PSU's for over 20 years and only had one die and it didn't hurt any other hardware.
You just are not open enough to consider otherwise since you need to have a fancy brand name to feel ok.

I'm ok with a quality built unit, fancy name or not. I have seen many of these junk units over the years take out rigs even a couple fires. I feel bad for the poor sods that buy your systems.

Well I guess you are the embodiment of the old adage that ignorance is bliss.

For others viewing this thread please ignore the bad advice and don't skimp on the PSU.

 

[computermonkey]

For others viewing this thread please ignore the bad advice and don't skimp on the PSU.

It wasn't a bad PSU.

And it wasn't ignorance if I had twenty years experience with Coolmax PSUs without any real issues.
In fact it was wisdom while others waste money.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Feedback wouldn't exist if it doesn't have any value.

Yes, it would, because it does have value. It is valuable to the seller and the site because it can be manipulated to make products seem better and have a higher approval rating than what they actually do. Ebay and Amazon literally do this with every single product, every single day, all day long. Look at ANY review listings at the bottom of any Ebay or Amazon page and I will show you for any of them that have more than 20 or 30 reviews, that many of them are not even FOR that product. They might be for a similar, prior revision of that product, or a newer revision of that product, or some other product sold by the same company that is however an entirely different product or in some cases not even related to that product at all in any common sense way.

Just one example would be a product I looked at recently on both Ebay and Amazon, which on both sites included reviews saying that the product has VESA mounting, which is completely does not. The reviews were for a similar but completely different sub-model made by the same company, making the review ratings worthless to anybody other than the seller or site because they want EVERY product to look good whether it is worthy or not because THAT is how they make money off people who do not know enough to look for specific reviews amongst the chaffe on those sites that have been left by knowledgeable people who take the time to state the actual product model number they are leaving feedback on and then do so in a manner that clearly shows they are knowledgeable about the product they are reviewing rather than simply stump heads who are glad the thing showed up at all or was white. Yay, it's white. Five stars. Idiots.

It isn't "brand snobbishness". The fact that the company didn't put any money into their website shows that they are trying to increase profit margins every so slightly, which is the same reason why I said the lack of anodization was not a good sign. Doesn't mean that it is a bad company necessarily, it just definitely isn't an indication of a good one. And while they may perhaps be a good company, they are selling a crap product, as mentioned above many times.

I respect your opinion but don't agree. I'm a seller in a different industry but you could say my own website isn't fancy. The truth is 99% of sales come from marketplaces today and you get almost no ROI on fancy sites because google has killed SEO.
In my case I list products on eBay and .Bonanza. and my listing system just happens to indirectly list on a crappy website offered by Bonanza.. Considering the website has almost no traffic I really don't care.
It exists to say i'm in business and the real sales come from marketplaces. Does that mean my products are bad? Nope.

And as I mentioned, I do business with other companies in the same boat who have great products.
So it is brand snobbishness, from my point of view.

Brand snobbishness has nothing, literally, to do with it. It's a matter of professionlism. You are a small beans seller of whatever it is you sell. If you were a large retailer or high volume seller you wouldn't even BE here having this conversation, so what you do has exactly nothing to do with an actual company selling power supplies OUGHT to do, if they HAD any sort of professionalism at all. Even my own small business ventures have FAR superior websites to some of these companies like the one we are talking about. Any company not legitimate enough to be able to offer a professional appearance of itself online, is a company that is either garbage or doesn't generally sell to the public and instead is a supplier of other manufacturers or brands from behind the scenes. Those types can be forgiven. A branded retailer, like EVGA, Seasonic, Corsair, etc., or even some of the PSU shaped object sellers like Raidmax, Aerocool, Apevia, Sparkle, Ultra, Enermax and others, at least have a perception of some kind of sense of professionalism if you visit their websites.

And those are pretty much exclusively all purveyors of camel piss. So to be below them in terms of what your company looks like online, even before any actual product comparisons can be done, shows no interest at all in creating or establishing trust from the buyer and that should really be all you need to know to not give a company any of your business. Not even if their products WERE otherwise good, which in this case, they are not.

 

[computermonkey]

And those are pretty much exclusively all purveyors of camel piss. So

And they sell a lot of so called <Mod Edit> with no issues. Those issues are being made up in your head.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Well i'm obviouisly note going to convince anyone on this forum. Haters are going to hate. But for others visiting this thread from outside: Give KDM a try. They are better than the naysayers say from my real world experience with bad power supplies. And Coolmax is great too. Wouldn't recommend Solid Gear at all though, they caused all kinds of system instability on multiple machines.

Good luck with that. Both those companies sell garbage products. It's not a matter of "hating". It's the simple fact that some of us have been doing this long enough that we've dealt with many of these companies for as long as they've been around, and that we've been around watching and learning about these companies products since BEFORE they were companies, and before many of those who like to come on here and try to tell people what is good or bad, have themselves, been alive.

Your "sample of one" is meaningless. I could use a complete piece of crap Ultra power supply on a system for 10 years too without any problems if I'm running a system that pulls about 150w with a 750w PSU shaped object. That doesn't prove anything, at all, in any way. Put that same PSU in a system that NEEDS 450-500 watts, and watch the fireworks begin, and the tears begin to flow, when the hardware gets a nice dose of the magic smoke.

 

[Darkbreeze]

And they sell a lot of so called <Mod Edit> with no issues. Those issues are being made up in your head.

You use them in your system and leave off the recommendations for others to use them in theirs. Then everybody will be happy. Well, until you figure it all out anyhow. You are not the first, nor the last, that couldn't be convinced of the wrongness of their self elevated views, and have to discover these things for themselves. Honestly, I'd be very surprised, very surprised, if you were even old enough to have been USING power supplies for the last twenty years.

And if you REALLY believe the issues are in my head, I'd be happy to show you about 200 professional reviews of products sold by those manufacturers that distinctly show exactly what I am talking about. You need to walk back your statements sir, unless you think you can show some evidence to the contrary regarding those issues or the general quality of the products sold by those brands being "in my head". I assure you, anybody around here who knows me very well knows that I don't just throw things out there that are "in my head". If I can't show some kind of proof, I defer to those who can, or I shut up.

Lots of companies sell products that are no better than camel piss. By the bucket and barrel. So I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove.

 

[g-unit1111]

Not completely wrong - maybe I overstated how good eBay is but Amazon is worse and I have experience with it that you might be lacking, as a seller.

I've bought and sold parts on eBay for many years now. It's relatively easy to do if you know what you are looking for and you know how to sort through the crap.

But to say one is better than the other is completely ignorant. Both sellers have been caught multiple times hawking junk and counterfeit merchandise that isn't what it is labeled as. I honestly don't know how much clearer I can make that.

 

[BNCID]

It wasn't a bad PSU.

And it wasn't ignorance if I had twenty years experience with Coolmax PSUs without any real issues.
In fact it was wisdom while others waste money.

Yes, they are bad.

Your 20 yrs < 100+ combined years from others telling you that you are wrong. But I guess in your own head you have to try and justify the crime somehow.

 

[Darkbreeze]

And on that note, we're going to close this before it gets out of hand. It has run it's course.