Khypermedia CD-r's

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Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?

Thanks.
~k

 

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"Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
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> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>
> Thanks.
> ~k

You get what you pay for....'nuff said.

If the data is worth keeping, it's worth keeping on a name brand disc.

Bobby

 

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:48:58 -0500, "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote:

>Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>
>Thanks.
>~k
................................................................

I have no personal experience with these, but a close friend had poor
luck with only this brand out of a half dozen or so brands.

Also I have seen many complaints regarding these from time to time.
I'm sure these work for many people. The quality / condition of the
burner is probbly the limiting factor.
I figure, why take a chance?

Buy my blanks from www.tigerdirect.com
Both the HP and Philips have worked very well.
......................................

 

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I'm with you. Brand name CD-R blanks are cheap as dirt; why buy a generic?

Ted Zieglar

"gg" <noway@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:48:58 -0500, "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote:
>
>>Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>~k
> ...............................................................
>
> I have no personal experience with these, but a close friend had poor
> luck with only this brand out of a half dozen or so brands.
>
> Also I have seen many complaints regarding these from time to time.
> I'm sure these work for many people. The quality / condition of the
> burner is probbly the limiting factor.
> I figure, why take a chance?
>
> Buy my blanks from www.tigerdirect.com
> Both the HP and Philips have worked very well.
> .....................................

 

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Kmee wrote:

> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>
> Thanks.
> ~k

I've used them with no problems. That said, I don't use them for
archiving...I use them to get data from one place to another.

Bob

 

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I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail, but it
was probably 300 blanks ago.

There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You know
these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered to figure out
which ones, as they work flawlessly.

Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way they are
made.

Tom


"Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
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> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>
> Thanks.
> ~k

 

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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail, but it
> was probably 300 blanks ago.
>
> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You know
> these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered to figure
> out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
>
> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way they are
> made.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> ~k
>
>
Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs can be
made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording layer (one
only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate "colors" to
confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is known for two
things:

1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it may present
problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded on the disc.
Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to lot. Just look at a
Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased 3 months ago...chances
are the formulation is different, the color of the recording layer is
different, etc.

2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the various
types of dyes available.
While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust these discs
for anything critical and most certainly not for long term storage or
archiving of essential data.

3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations where the data
is not critical and not meant for long term use; school, sneakernet, etc.

The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply here...there is a
reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why most
knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to "cheaper"
media such as this. One is far better off spending the slight difference
for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality control and peace of mind
are worth a couple of more cents per disc.

Bobby

 

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And the fact that media are made by a handful of manufacturers doesn't mean
that each manufacturer's media are all made with equal quality. Something to
think about before someone goes mouthing off.

Ted Zieglar

"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Xqlre.6243$2K4.5954@trnddc08...
>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:Falre.84286$VH2.21779@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail, but it
>> was probably 300 blanks ago.
>>
>> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You know
>> these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered to figure
>> out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
>>
>> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way they are
>> made.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
>> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
>>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> ~k
>>
>>
> Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs can be
> made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording layer (one
> only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate "colors" to
> confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is known for two
> things:
>
> 1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it may
> present problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded on the
> disc. Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to lot. Just
> look at a Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased 3 months
> ago...chances are the formulation is different, the color of the recording
> layer is different, etc.
>
> 2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the various
> types of dyes available.
> While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust these
> discs for anything critical and most certainly not for long term storage
> or archiving of essential data.
>
> 3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations where the
> data is not critical and not meant for long term use; school, sneakernet,
> etc.
>
> The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply here...there is a
> reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why most
> knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to
> "cheaper" media such as this. One is far better off spending the slight
> difference for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality control and
> peace of mind are worth a couple of more cents per disc.
>
> Bobby
>
>

 

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fair enough.

All I know is that I've used them for years and they're very reliable.

For me.
"Ted Zieglar" <teddyz@notmail.com> wrote in message
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> And the fact that media are made by a handful of manufacturers doesn't
> mean that each manufacturer's media are all made with equal quality.
> Something to think about before someone goes mouthing off.
>
> Ted Zieglar
>
> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Xqlre.6243$2K4.5954@trnddc08...
>>
>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>> news:Falre.84286$VH2.21779@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail, but
>>> it was probably 300 blanks ago.
>>>
>>> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You know
>>> these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered to figure
>>> out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
>>>
>>> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way they
>>> are made.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
>>>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> ~k
>>>
>>>
>> Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs can be
>> made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording layer (one
>> only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate "colors" to
>> confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is known for two
>> things:
>>
>> 1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it may
>> present problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded on the
>> disc. Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to lot. Just
>> look at a Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased 3 months
>> ago...chances are the formulation is different, the color of the
>> recording layer is different, etc.
>>
>> 2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the various
>> types of dyes available.
>> While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust these
>> discs for anything critical and most certainly not for long term storage
>> or archiving of essential data.
>>
>> 3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations where the
>> data is not critical and not meant for long term use; school,
>> sneakernet, etc.
>>
>> The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply here...there is a
>> reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why most
>> knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to
>> "cheaper" media such as this. One is far better off spending the slight
>> difference for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality control and
>> peace of mind are worth a couple of more cents per disc.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>>
>

 

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Actually, you can't be sure as to who manufactured the media by the brand
name. In other words, some Maxells are made by CNC Magnetics while some are
actually made by Maxell. I know that Memorex branded CD-R's may be one of a
few different manufacturers. Now days, I think most CD-R's are fairly
reliable.
"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:lamre.84291$VH2.60203@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> fair enough.
>
> All I know is that I've used them for years and they're very reliable.
>
> For me.
> "Ted Zieglar" <teddyz@notmail.com> wrote in message
> news:urednXWOMuiedDDfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>> And the fact that media are made by a handful of manufacturers doesn't
>> mean that each manufacturer's media are all made with equal quality.
>> Something to think about before someone goes mouthing off.
>>
>> Ted Zieglar
>>
>> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xqlre.6243$2K4.5954@trnddc08...
>>>
>>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Falre.84286$VH2.21779@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail, but
>>>> it was probably 300 blanks ago.
>>>>
>>>> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You know
>>>> these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered to
>>>> figure out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
>>>>
>>>> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way they
>>>> are made.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
>>>>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> ~k
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs can be
>>> made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording layer (one
>>> only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate "colors" to
>>> confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is known for two
>>> things:
>>>
>>> 1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it may
>>> present problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded on
>>> the disc. Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to lot.
>>> Just look at a Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased 3
>>> months ago...chances are the formulation is different, the color of the
>>> recording layer is different, etc.
>>>
>>> 2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the various
>>> types of dyes available.
>>> While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust these
>>> discs for anything critical and most certainly not for long term storage
>>> or archiving of essential data.
>>>
>>> 3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations where the
>>> data is not critical and not meant for long term use; school,
>>> sneakernet, etc.
>>>
>>> The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply here...there is a
>>> reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why most
>>> knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to
>>> "cheaper" media such as this. One is far better off spending the slight
>>> difference for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality control and
>>> peace of mind are worth a couple of more cents per disc.
>>>
>>> Bobby
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

 

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Macon;

You are correct about the bigger name brands; however the Khypermedia discs
are notorious for making coasters. It's just safer to steer away from them
until their standards rise to the level of the other brands on the shelf.

Bobby

"Macon Hedrick" <macmanhed@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:zyMre.7104$Ub4.2329@fe06.lga...
> Actually, you can't be sure as to who manufactured the media by the brand
> name. In other words, some Maxells are made by CNC Magnetics while some
> are actually made by Maxell. I know that Memorex branded CD-R's may be one
> of a few different manufacturers. Now days, I think most CD-R's are fairly
> reliable.
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:lamre.84291$VH2.60203@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> fair enough.
>>
>> All I know is that I've used them for years and they're very reliable.
>>
>> For me.
>> "Ted Zieglar" <teddyz@notmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:urednXWOMuiedDDfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>>> And the fact that media are made by a handful of manufacturers doesn't
>>> mean that each manufacturer's media are all made with equal quality.
>>> Something to think about before someone goes mouthing off.
>>>
>>> Ted Zieglar
>>>
>>> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Xqlre.6243$2K4.5954@trnddc08...
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:Falre.84286$VH2.21779@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail, but
>>>>> it was probably 300 blanks ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You
>>>>> know these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered to
>>>>> figure out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way they
>>>>> are made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
>>>>>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs can
>>>> be made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording layer
>>>> (one only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate "colors"
>>>> to confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is known for
>>>> two things:
>>>>
>>>> 1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it may
>>>> present problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded on
>>>> the disc. Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to lot.
>>>> Just look at a Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased 3
>>>> months ago...chances are the formulation is different, the color of the
>>>> recording layer is different, etc.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the
>>>> various types of dyes available.
>>>> While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust these
>>>> discs for anything critical and most certainly not for long term
>>>> storage or archiving of essential data.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations where the
>>>> data is not critical and not meant for long term use; school,
>>>> sneakernet, etc.
>>>>
>>>> The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply here...there is
>>>> a reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why most
>>>> knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to
>>>> "cheaper" media such as this. One is far better off spending the
>>>> slight difference for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality
>>>> control and peace of mind are worth a couple of more cents per disc.
>>>>
>>>> Bobby
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

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Notorius.

A pretty unfair way to damn a company.

My experiences are positive.

Tom
"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Macon;
>
> You are correct about the bigger name brands; however the Khypermedia
> discs are notorious for making coasters. It's just safer to steer away
> from them until their standards rise to the level of the other brands on
> the shelf.
>
> Bobby
>
> "Macon Hedrick" <macmanhed@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:zyMre.7104$Ub4.2329@fe06.lga...
>> Actually, you can't be sure as to who manufactured the media by the brand
>> name. In other words, some Maxells are made by CNC Magnetics while some
>> are actually made by Maxell. I know that Memorex branded CD-R's may be
>> one of a few different manufacturers. Now days, I think most CD-R's are
>> fairly reliable.
>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>> news:lamre.84291$VH2.60203@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>> fair enough.
>>>
>>> All I know is that I've used them for years and they're very reliable.
>>>
>>> For me.
>>> "Ted Zieglar" <teddyz@notmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:urednXWOMuiedDDfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>>>> And the fact that media are made by a handful of manufacturers doesn't
>>>> mean that each manufacturer's media are all made with equal quality.
>>>> Something to think about before someone goes mouthing off.
>>>>
>>>> Ted Zieglar
>>>>
>>>> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xqlre.6243$2K4.5954@trnddc08...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Falre.84286$VH2.21779@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>>> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail,
>>>>>> but it was probably 300 blanks ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You
>>>>>> know these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered
>>>>>> to figure out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way they
>>>>>> are made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
>>>>>>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs can
>>>>> be made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording layer
>>>>> (one only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate
>>>>> "colors" to confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is
>>>>> known for two things:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it may
>>>>> present problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded on
>>>>> the disc. Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to lot.
>>>>> Just look at a Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased 3
>>>>> months ago...chances are the formulation is different, the color of
>>>>> the recording layer is different, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the
>>>>> various types of dyes available.
>>>>> While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust these
>>>>> discs for anything critical and most certainly not for long term
>>>>> storage or archiving of essential data.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations where
>>>>> the data is not critical and not meant for long term use; school,
>>>>> sneakernet, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply here...there is
>>>>> a reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why most
>>>>> knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to
>>>>> "cheaper" media such as this. One is far better off spending the
>>>>> slight difference for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality
>>>>> control and peace of mind are worth a couple of more cents per disc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bobby
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

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Interesting... I ONLY use cheap, free after rebate CDs. A look around
shows Precision, Khyphermedia, Optimum, Imation, etc. I can't remember the
last coaster I burned. Never had problems reading them on other systems
either. How old are your data points?


"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
news:8RMre.5770$1q5.5275@trnddc02...
> Macon;
>
> You are correct about the bigger name brands; however the Khypermedia
discs
> are notorious for making coasters. It's just safer to steer away from
them
> until their standards rise to the level of the other brands on the shelf.
>
> Bobby
>
> "Macon Hedrick" <macmanhed@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:zyMre.7104$Ub4.2329@fe06.lga...
> > Actually, you can't be sure as to who manufactured the media by the
brand
> > name. In other words, some Maxells are made by CNC Magnetics while some
> > are actually made by Maxell. I know that Memorex branded CD-R's may be
one
> > of a few different manufacturers. Now days, I think most CD-R's are
fairly
> > reliable.
> > "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> > news:lamre.84291$VH2.60203@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> >> fair enough.
> >>
> >> All I know is that I've used them for years and they're very reliable.
> >>
> >> For me.
> >> "Ted Zieglar" <teddyz@notmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:urednXWOMuiedDDfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
> >>> And the fact that media are made by a handful of manufacturers doesn't
> >>> mean that each manufacturer's media are all made with equal quality.
> >>> Something to think about before someone goes mouthing off.
> >>>
> >>> Ted Zieglar
> >>>
> >>> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:Xqlre.6243$2K4.5954@trnddc08...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:Falre.84286$VH2.21779@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> >>>>> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail,
but
> >>>>> it was probably 300 blanks ago.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You
> >>>>> know these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered
to
> >>>>> figure out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way
they
> >>>>> are made.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tom
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
> >>>>>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>> ~k
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs can
> >>>> be made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording
layer
> >>>> (one only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate
"colors"
> >>>> to confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is known
for
> >>>> two things:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it may
> >>>> present problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded on
> >>>> the disc. Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to lot.
> >>>> Just look at a Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased 3
> >>>> months ago...chances are the formulation is different, the color of
the
> >>>> recording layer is different, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the
> >>>> various types of dyes available.
> >>>> While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust
these
> >>>> discs for anything critical and most certainly not for long term
> >>>> storage or archiving of essential data.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations where
the
> >>>> data is not critical and not meant for long term use; school,
> >>>> sneakernet, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply here...there
is
> >>>> a reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why
most
> >>>> knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to
> >>>> "cheaper" media such as this. One is far better off spending the
> >>>> slight difference for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality
> >>>> control and peace of mind are worth a couple of more cents per disc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bobby
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

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Data points are current.

I find Kyhpermedia to be the most offensive of the bargain brands; Imation
has gotten significantly better in the last year.

The thing with khypermedia is they have absolutely no consistency. One
batch has a blue tint, next batch has a green tine, next batch has a gold
tint...and when disks are produced for distribution to field offices and
agents with hardware of different vintages, it is important to have at least
some consistency.

In my experience, using professional grade mastering and duplication
equipment, khypermedia disc have a much higher rejection and failure rate
than just about any other brand.

I am happy that you and apparently a few others have had good experience
with khypermedia.
I will continue to spend a few more pennies per disk to get a stable, known
product.

'Bobby

"jess" <jess@fastcars.com> wrote in message
news:kq_re.7208$Ub4.4423@fe06.lga...
> Interesting... I ONLY use cheap, free after rebate CDs. A look around
> shows Precision, Khyphermedia, Optimum, Imation, etc. I can't remember
> the
> last coaster I burned. Never had problems reading them on other systems
> either. How old are your data points?
>
>
> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:8RMre.5770$1q5.5275@trnddc02...
>> Macon;
>>
>> You are correct about the bigger name brands; however the Khypermedia
> discs
>> are notorious for making coasters. It's just safer to steer away from
> them
>> until their standards rise to the level of the other brands on the shelf.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> "Macon Hedrick" <macmanhed@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:zyMre.7104$Ub4.2329@fe06.lga...
>> > Actually, you can't be sure as to who manufactured the media by the
> brand
>> > name. In other words, some Maxells are made by CNC Magnetics while some
>> > are actually made by Maxell. I know that Memorex branded CD-R's may be
> one
>> > of a few different manufacturers. Now days, I think most CD-R's are
> fairly
>> > reliable.
>> > "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>> > news:lamre.84291$VH2.60203@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> >> fair enough.
>> >>
>> >> All I know is that I've used them for years and they're very reliable.
>> >>
>> >> For me.
>> >> "Ted Zieglar" <teddyz@notmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:urednXWOMuiedDDfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>> >>> And the fact that media are made by a handful of manufacturers
>> >>> doesn't
>> >>> mean that each manufacturer's media are all made with equal quality.
>> >>> Something to think about before someone goes mouthing off.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ted Zieglar
>> >>>
>> >>> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >>> news:Xqlre.6243$2K4.5954@trnddc08...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:Falre.84286$VH2.21779@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> >>>>> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn fail,
> but
>> >>>>> it was probably 300 blanks ago.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world. You
>> >>>>> know these are the same as several name brands. I've never bothered
> to
>> >>>>> figure out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way
> they
>> >>>>> are made.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Tom
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
>> >>>>>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they reliable?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks.
>> >>>>>> ~k
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs
>> >>>> can
>> >>>> be made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording
> layer
>> >>>> (one only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate
> "colors"
>> >>>> to confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is known
> for
>> >>>> two things:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it may
>> >>>> present problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded
>> >>>> on
>> >>>> the disc. Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to lot.
>> >>>> Just look at a Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased 3
>> >>>> months ago...chances are the formulation is different, the color of
> the
>> >>>> recording layer is different, etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the
>> >>>> various types of dyes available.
>> >>>> While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust
> these
>> >>>> discs for anything critical and most certainly not for long term
>> >>>> storage or archiving of essential data.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations where
> the
>> >>>> data is not critical and not meant for long term use; school,
>> >>>> sneakernet, etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply here...there
> is
>> >>>> a reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why
> most
>> >>>> knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to
>> >>>> "cheaper" media such as this. One is far better off spending the
>> >>>> slight difference for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality
>> >>>> control and peace of mind are worth a couple of more cents per disc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bobby
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

 

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The other thing about 'generic' brands like Kyhpermedia is that they can
switch their sourcing at will, depending on what deal they can swing with
different manufacturers at any given time. Perhaps this accounts for the
wide variations that NNBD observed. By the same token, the discs called
Kyphermedia could just as well be from the highest quality source.

Basically, the reason one chooses a generic over a so-called brand name is
that the object - in this case, recordable media - is seen as a commodity,
so that low price is the only real attraction.

On the other hand, we expect that a brand name, such as Sony or Philips,
etc., has a brand image to protect and therefore will be concerned about
maintaining a certain quality and consistency, which engenders a higher
price (whether justified or not.)

--
Ted Zieglar
"You can do it if you try."

"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
newsZ_re.12470$9a1.6366@trnddc01...
> Data points are current.
>
> I find Kyhpermedia to be the most offensive of the bargain brands; Imation
> has gotten significantly better in the last year.
>
> The thing with khypermedia is they have absolutely no consistency. One
> batch has a blue tint, next batch has a green tine, next batch has a gold
> tint...and when disks are produced for distribution to field offices and
> agents with hardware of different vintages, it is important to have at
least
> some consistency.
>
> In my experience, using professional grade mastering and duplication
> equipment, khypermedia disc have a much higher rejection and failure rate
> than just about any other brand.
>
> I am happy that you and apparently a few others have had good experience
> with khypermedia.
> I will continue to spend a few more pennies per disk to get a stable,
known
> product.
>
> 'Bobby
>
> "jess" <jess@fastcars.com> wrote in message
> news:kq_re.7208$Ub4.4423@fe06.lga...
> > Interesting... I ONLY use cheap, free after rebate CDs. A look around
> > shows Precision, Khyphermedia, Optimum, Imation, etc. I can't remember
> > the
> > last coaster I burned. Never had problems reading them on other systems
> > either. How old are your data points?
> >
> >
> > "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:8RMre.5770$1q5.5275@trnddc02...
> >> Macon;
> >>
> >> You are correct about the bigger name brands; however the Khypermedia
> > discs
> >> are notorious for making coasters. It's just safer to steer away from
> > them
> >> until their standards rise to the level of the other brands on the
shelf.
> >>
> >> Bobby
> >>
> >> "Macon Hedrick" <macmanhed@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >> news:zyMre.7104$Ub4.2329@fe06.lga...
> >> > Actually, you can't be sure as to who manufactured the media by the
> > brand
> >> > name. In other words, some Maxells are made by CNC Magnetics while
some
> >> > are actually made by Maxell. I know that Memorex branded CD-R's may
be
> > one
> >> > of a few different manufacturers. Now days, I think most CD-R's are
> > fairly
> >> > reliable.
> >> > "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:lamre.84291$VH2.60203@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> >> >> fair enough.
> >> >>
> >> >> All I know is that I've used them for years and they're very
reliable.
> >> >>
> >> >> For me.
> >> >> "Ted Zieglar" <teddyz@notmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:urednXWOMuiedDDfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
> >> >>> And the fact that media are made by a handful of manufacturers
> >> >>> doesn't
> >> >>> mean that each manufacturer's media are all made with equal
quality.
> >> >>> Something to think about before someone goes mouthing off.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ted Zieglar
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:Xqlre.6243$2K4.5954@trnddc08...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>> news:Falre.84286$VH2.21779@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> >> >>>>> I've burned roughly 400 of them. As I recall I had one burn
fail,
> > but
> >> >>>>> it was probably 300 blanks ago.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> There are only a few manufacturers of CD blanks in the world.
You
> >> >>>>> know these are the same as several name brands. I've never
bothered
> > to
> >> >>>>> figure out which ones, as they work flawlessly.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Any claim that name brands are better doesn't understand the way
> > they
> >> >>>>> are made.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Tom
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> "Kmee" <Kmee@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>> news:5Nire.880$D83.8781@eagle.america.net...
> >> >>>>>> Has anyone tried these CD-r's from Office Max? Are they
reliable?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Thanks.
> >> >>>>>> ~k
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> Granted there are a finite number of manufacturers; however CD-Rs
> >> >>>> can
> >> >>>> be made with a number of chemical formulations for the recording
> > layer
> >> >>>> (one only has to look at the wide range of recording substrate
> > "colors"
> >> >>>> to confirm this), and Khypermedia uses a formulation that is known
> > for
> >> >>>> two things:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 1. It's reflectivity (albedo index) is very low...therefore it
may
> >> >>>> present problems when some drives attempt to read the data encoded
> >> >>>> on
> >> >>>> the disc. Also, the formulation can and does change from lot to
lot.
> >> >>>> Just look at a Khypermedia purchased this month, and one purchased
3
> >> >>>> months ago...chances are the formulation is different, the color
of
> > the
> >> >>>> recording layer is different, etc.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2. The dye used in Khypermedia has the shortest lifespan of the
> >> >>>> various types of dyes available.
> >> >>>> While the discs can be used for data bundling, I would not trust
> > these
> >> >>>> discs for anything critical and most certainly not for long term
> >> >>>> storage or archiving of essential data.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 3. Having stated the above, the discs are fine for situations
where
> > the
> >> >>>> data is not critical and not meant for long term use; school,
> >> >>>> sneakernet, etc.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The adage "you get what you pay for" really does apply
here...there
> > is
> >> >>>> a reason why they are less expensive. There is also a reason why
> > most
> >> >>>> knowledgeable individuals would not trust their important data to
> >> >>>> "cheaper" media such as this. One is far better off spending the
> >> >>>> slight difference for a name brand disc; the consistency, quality
> >> >>>> control and peace of mind are worth a couple of more cents per
disc.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Bobby
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

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FWIW
I bought 2 Maxell DVD-R from Staples recently...one 25 disk cake was
dark gold the other cake was yellow...Nero infotool ID them as 2
different manufacturers!
You never know what you're getting!?

 

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On 17 Jun 2005 10:32:01 -0700, braine_dead@lycos.com wrote:

>FWIW
>I bought 2 Maxell DVD-R from Staples recently...one 25 disk cake was
>dark gold the other cake was yellow...Nero infotool ID them as 2
>different manufacturers!
>You never know what you're getting!?

http://rima.com/ has some discs with the manufacturer's names on them.
I haven't bought from them yet. I've just heard good things. You can check
http://www.resellerratings.com/