LAUNCH OF AMD TURION 64 X2 CPUs MAY START PRICE WAR

[gOJDO]

Yeah, but what was the price difference on those notebooks ? (Assuming most specs equal, screen size/res as equal as possible, similar batteries, and both purchased within 2 weeks of each other)

Lancaster is the 35w Turion MT-## isn't it ? (The one that consumes 'up to' 40% more power than the Turion ML-##).

Note: Invert of 140% = 1/1.4 = 71.42%
Note: Also agree with your above comments, but also some of Mikes, despite the contrast.

yes it is the 35W variant
Both notebooks are HP Compaq nx6125(Turion64) and nx8220(Centrino).
nx8220 is about 35% more expencive today.
The nx8220 have better CPU(Pentium M 760 2GHz 2MB L2 FSB533) than that on nx6125(Turion64 MT-34 1.8GHz 1MB L2). It have a non-integrated graphics Radeon x600 128MB non-shared, unlike the Radeon X300 integrated on Radeon Xpress X200M northbridge with shared up to 128MB on the nx6125. It has a better display also, 15.4" 1600x1050 bright view widescreen compared to 1400x1050 15" non-bv of nx6125. Both are equiped with 1GB(2x512MB), nx8220 have DDR2 533 CL4 4-4-12, and the nx6125 have DDR 333 CL2.5 3-3-7 CR1. Both systems came with Seagate 5400RPM 8MB 80GB, but I upgraded the nx6125 with Toshiba 5400 16MB 100GB. The chipsets are Intel 915 and ATi Radeon Xpress X200M, and the rest of the hardware (battery, WLAN, LAN, Bluetooth, DVD+-RW, Memcrd/IEEE/USB...) is identical.
Both are dealing the job good, but the nx8220 I have is superior than the nx6125 and its batteruy is keeping it online 20% more than the nx6125.

I bought the nx6125 first, 2 months latter I got nx8220 as a gift
The point is, the nx8220 is better but more expencive. I guess it will be the same for TurionX2 vs Merom

 

[TabrisDarkPeace]

Both are dealing the job good, but the nx8220 I have is superior than the nx6125 and its batteruy is keeping it online 20% more than the nx6125.

I bought the nx6125 first, 2 months latter I got nx8220 as a gift
The point is, the nx8220 is better but more expencive. I guess it will be the same for TurionX2 vs Merom

So both do a good job

The model that costs +35% more has +20% more battery life (and that +35%, in cost, could buy another 2 batteries, if not a hell of alot more, for the Turion, thus tripling it's battery life and safe-guarding against a common component failure).

However part of the superior performance / higher price is the X600 vs (X200 ? / ) X300 of the higher end machine, and the nicer TFT display.

Do you game much with the Pentium M + X600 ? (Just looking for insight that's all, Yes I understand it was a gift too - Lucky bastard 😛).

You also forget to mention the battery specs above... not that it matters as they are different enough already.

 

[gOJDO]

10x 4 the correction in grammar, i didn't noticed

I don't need another batteries, I need notebook becouse it is small, so I can cary with me. I play only WarcraftIII, DotA which needs more CPU/RAM resources than GPU.
The chipset of the nx6125 is ATi Radeon X200M, and the integrated graphics on it is equal to the ATi Radeon X300 chip, considering that it have less memory bandwidth available.
I ordered the nx6125 with 1GB of ram, but it came with 512MB (2x256MB). The company where i bought changed the sticks with package 2x512MB Samsung 333MHz CL2.5 3-3-7 CR1 from HP. I was asking to give me 1GB 400MHz stick, but there was no any available, and there were 512MB 400MHz sticks, but there was no guarante to be compatible with the part/no of my nx6125.

I don't have the notebooks here, but when I go home I will post comparison of the batteries of both systems.

 

[GremliNOnline]

You are all making big mistakes in this topic. I am waiting for the AMD Turion 64 X2 myself as well. I saw so many things that are untrue in these posts.

First: the energy. Intel uses its TDP for "average" which is 75% of the max. It also needs an memory controller, the turion has one build in! So 31/0.75=41.3 Watt TDP + Memory controller. The Turion only uses 35 max ans has an build in memory controller. The Intel cpu's will be using less energy when clocked down, but at max the turion will be using less, I have seen tests as well were an turion outperforms an pentium-M when it comes to battery life on max performance

Seccond: The Merom is not yet there. The Yonah only has 32-bit. If you want a 64-bit proc you are sure of to be ready for the future you need to wait till september for the Merom but i also have read soemwhere that it was delayed till 2007! The Turion 64 X2 will come out the 9th of May. I will need a laptop for my study, the Merom comes too late so a Turion 64 X2 it will be for me. The Turion will also have virtualisation which the Yonah does not have.

Third: Since when is a Turion 64 X2 a new generation processor and a core duo a processor from this generation and the merom a next? Completely untrue!
-Turion (all, so 64 and 64 X2): K8 architecture which is 3 years old! It only has some improvements and AMD did already make it ready for dualcore trough the HT. Its an old processor.
-Yonah: Complete new architecture by Intel to replace the old Netburst (Pentium4) and Dothan (Pentium-M). Its brand new and compared to the K8 from AMD a next generation cpu.
-Merom: Its a Yonah with added support for 64-bit and virtualization, maybe a bit improvements on enery, but not much! So still next generation yes...
Its not really a suprise that a Core Duo is faster on the same frequency. If it wasnt't Intel would have did something completly wrong! If the Turions are much cheaper then the Yonah/Core Duo then the Turions are a better choise because you will have to look at Performance/Costs and not compare each processor at the same frequency.

I hope I have cleared up many things with this post. Ofcourse teh AMD is slower, but its older. AMD has been dominating the Pentium for 3 years now with its K8, Intel has a new processor now (Yonah/Merom/Conroe) and ofcourse it will be better then the old K8. But don't trash AMD for this, they make great processors and will have to beat Intel by delivering great performance for a lower price!

 

[Action_Man]

Its 3 issue.

 

[gOJDO]

I am not sure, how do you know that TDP spec for intel is average?
It is the max TDP at highest possible clock.

What we have now is OLD, and what will come is NEW!
Becouse AMD have not changed their 5 years old (as I can read on my K8 chips AMD 2001) architecture, that does not mean that current Intel products are new architecture. So, we can compare what we have now and make parallel including the known improvements of the near-future coming hardware.

Core architecture is improvement of Yonahs architecture and it is better. There was topic opened by ActionMan with link nice explanation for the difference of Netburst, Yonah architecture and Core arechitecture.

64bit extension is useless. I have 32bit WindowsXP running on my Turion becouse HP are saying that my nx6125 have no compatible drivers for WindowsXP/2003 64bit yet. I also don't use it on my Athlon64 desktop, there are no drivers for my TV/FM card, modem and I have some unreasonable performance problems on the XP x64.

Lets back to the topic,
Does any one have a list of the incoming prices of Turion64 X2 and Merom chips?

 

[joefriday]

will turion X2 be on socket 754? If so, do you think some desktop mobos will take advantage of this?

 

[TabrisDarkPeace]

Third: Since when is a Turion 64 X2 a new generation processor and a core duo a processor from this generation and the merom a next? Completely untrue!

Merom is not based on the Pentium M architecture like the first batch of Core Duo processors, there are significant differences (4 issue core for starters, totally different core) between the Merom and existing (1st gen) Core Duo platforms for laptops (which are just 2 x Pentium M cores).

The Pentium M is is much closer to the P6 architecture, with a few nice tweaks here and there. Conroe/Merom are totally new 4 issue cores that can processor 4-5 instructions per clock cycle. The Pentium M and P6 architecture (including the Pentium Pro, P-II, P-III, etc) can only process 2.5-3 instructions per clock cycle.

Clock for clock Meron will be quite a significant jump for laptops. We are talking a good +63% performance per clock here over the 1st gen Core Duo, which was also a decent chip. In fact Core Duo outperforms many desktops processors.

Now assuming they clock it +25% higher, which they are likely to do, you'll have a mobile CPU with (1.25 x 1.63~)= double the performance. Most of which is thanks to the new microarchitecture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Next_Generation_Microarchitecture

The Xeon LV released March '06 is based on the 1st gen Core Duo (2 x Pentium M cores), when they release one based on the new architecture (Woodcrest ?) it may just dominate the server market.

Moving people to enjoy multiple 4-issue cores is step one in making people desire yet, even more, 6-issue cores per chip. (Looks at Itanium / IA-64 die size per core, by transistor count assuming all CPUs will be on 45nm by then.).

will turion X2 be on socket 754? If so, do you think some desktop mobos will take advantage of this?

They'll be on Socket S#, which has 638 pins, and will enable DDR2, possibly dual channel DDR2, support.

Considering existing Turion 64 ML/MT series lacks Cool'n'Quiet (much like the Opteron series does,... well 90% of it), when the new Turion 64 X2 gets DDR2 and moved from PowerNow! to Cool'n'Quiet it should have excellent battery life, and sell at prices that will undercut Merom.

It is the addition of Cool'n'Quiet style features, plus the above, to the Turion (yes they only have PowerNow!) that could make people class it as a new generation 'of Turion 64'. But it isn't a new generation processor microarchitecture.

If they can get Turion 64 X2 battery life longer than Pentium M / Core Duo (the existing 'Pre-Merom' ones), using the same battery + other specs, and get it out within 4 months they'll have a pretty good fighting chance against Merom when it comes.

We as consumers are the real winners.

 

[CompGeek]

Y MMM is good at imagining things.

 

[MatTheMurdera]

as in links to trusted websites, if you dont mind.

 

[ltcommander_data]

It is the addition of Cool'n'Quiet style features, plus the above, to the Turion (yes they only have PowerNow!)

As far as I know Cool'n'Quiet and PowerNow! are the same thing. They are just different marketing names to differentiate product lines.

Since you like wikipedia links, here is what they have to say on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool%27n%27Quiet

 

[MU_Engineer]

I have to agree, in part at least, with Mikes comments. (and I am sure people here know I often don't 😛)

For a laptop you generally don't want bleeding edge CPU performance, you want maximum battery life.

Depends on the usage of the laptop. You generally want decent battery life, but powerful CPUs are certainly good too. Especially if your notebook is your only computer (I am thinking business people w/ a company-issued machine and students). Otherwise you'd expect almost everybody to be using notebooks with 600MHz-1GHz ULV fanless processors in them, like XScales, Geodes, Efficeons, Crusoes, and P-M ULVs. But obviously 2+GHz Pentium Ms, Core Duos, and Turions outsell them- let alone the Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 desktop-chip models.

 

[49ers540]

I say we turn him in! He actually works for AMD, explains why he's totally bias toward AMD.

 

[accord99]

Poorion

You get a C- for effort.

@Topic: Turion 64 X2's standard TDP's are 10w below Merom (25w vs 35w), an LV and ULV version could match easily Merom's ULV (5w).

Except the 25W X2 is already almost an ULV at 1.075v. The only way Turion gets to 5W full load is if you throttle it to 800MHz/0.8v

TDP is only a spec, given the only real power measurement of Yonah indicates it compares favorably to Dothan of the same clock speed, a 2GHz Yonah is probably consuming 20W at full load at around 1.3V. What do you think Yonah's power consumption would be at 1.075v? And Merom is reputed to be 20% better per watt.

First: the energy. Intel uses its TDP for "average" which is 75% of the max. It also needs an memory controller, the turion has one build in! So 31/0.75=41.3 Watt TDP + Memory controller. The Turion only uses 35 max ans has an build in memory controller. The Intel cpu's will be using less energy when clocked down, but at max the turion will be using less, I have seen tests as well were an turion outperforms an pentium-M when it comes to battery life on max performance

This isn't true. The 75% figure came from Williamette and that value refers to the TDP being set to around 75% of the maximum theoretical power dissipation of the CPU because nearly all real-world software can't reach that 75% power level for Williamette.

As well, Dothan power measurements show that it's TDP of 27W is overrated. Compared to the full load power consumption of the ML series, it's basically A64 vs Prescott. The MT is closer but Dothan still holds an edge.

http://silentpcreview.com/article300-page6.html
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentiumm-vs-turion64/index.x?pg=12
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=fr_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.presence-pc.com%2ftests%2fDuel-Turion-64-Pentium-M-Asus-A6000-327%2f11%2f
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=fr_en&trurl=http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/251/le-turion-dans-les-desktops/page4.php

 

[CompGeek]

It's always good to have some unbiased detailed opinion.
I completely agree. I never actually seen a competitive Turion consuming less than a Pentium M.
AMD fanboys should open their eyes once in a while.

 

[FITCamaro]

I love AMD but Intel rules the mobile world at the moment.

 

[angry_ducky]

It's always good to have some unbiased detailed opinion.
I completely agree. I never actually seen a competitive Turion consuming less than a Pentium M.
AMD fanboys should open their eyes once in a while.

Good point. Or they should just stop kissing AMD's @$$.

 

[CompGeek]

That too :lol:

 

[Viperabyss]

lolz... i like your profile pic... its hilarious XD