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I had hoped it would be equivalent to the 5070 ti for less money. Hopefully its not to be an upgrade over the 7800xt for the same price tag.
 
I hope it's an upgrade over their previous generation that features pricing by live people and not brain dead ones who hate the average person buying their product (see nVidia with their RTX4000 gen). We'll see how nVidia does by verifying every customer buying through their website. Let's hope they find solutions.

If AMD can sell high-end hardware (not necessarily compared to nVidia) for $500 and doesn't burn my computer, wallet, or house down, then it's a win-win.
 
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If the performance is really to that low of a level, then they need to come in at $600 or less imo to gain market share. At least if they've fixed the ray tracing performance and are getting fsr 4 to be more equivalent to dlss 4 then that is a decent step forward. But they need to make it appealing to folks in the mainstream sitting on older lower to mid range cards. I say 600 because my local Microcenter showed a 4070 super open box card in stock for $643 if I recall. But realistically they need to be able to undercut the 5070 non ti card then, whatever that number looks like, because a lot of folks probably want a step up from the 60 series cards but don't want to pay a grand for a card.
 
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As long as it can hit around the same as the 4070 or 5070 for less then it will be good. All nVidia cards are going for way above MSRP, to the point that MSRP is just pure fantasy. As long as AMD can price themselves under nVidia and have them actually available, then it will be a success.

I just bought a 7900 XTX for $850 because of the complete unavailability of the 5080 at anything resembling reasonable prices. With the 5070 TI experiencing the same issues, I can see people buying the 9070 XT for around $700 to $750 and the 9070 for around $500 to $600.
 
Welp, there's that. Honestly I don't know what a "synthetic benchmark" is, but I expected the 90 series to at least be on par with a 5070, seeing as how AMD went out of their way to redo their naming structure to compare with Nvidia.

I saw there is one model of 7900XTX at Newegg for less than $1K... Kinda wondering if I should go for it at this point. My budget is $1k - $1.5k, and I blew it when I didn't jump on a 4080 Super when prices were still realistic.
 
People acting as if the 5070 is going to be drastically faster than the 4070...

Anyway, there are no bad products (theoretically at least), only bad prices. But seeing as how this industry operates lately I'd expect the latter.

At least 'tariffs' are likely to be a convenient scapegoat I suppose.
 
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Neilbob said:
People acting as if the 5070 is going to be drastically faster than the 4070...

Anyway, there are no bad products (theoretically at least), only bad prices.
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Re: No bad products - while I agree in theory, it seems with every passing day Nvidia is putting that to the test.
 
why_wolf said:
Honestly unless AMD starts a price war and sells these cards for at least $100 below their Nvidia counterpart it won't matter what the specs are.
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Not sure if you've been around this last decade or so but that's AMD"s entire schtick. They release a competitive product at nVidia minus 100 to 150 USD price. The only down side is AMD has this nasty habit of releasing a product at the same price point as nVidia, then three to six months later dropping it by 100 to 150 USD.
 
Jabberwocky79 said:
Welp, there's that. Honestly I don't know what a "synthetic benchmark" is, but I expected the 90 series to at least be on par with a 5070, seeing as how AMD went out of their way to redo their naming structure to compare with Nvidia.

I saw there is one model of 7900XTX at Newegg for less than $1K... Kinda wondering if I should go for it at this point. My budget is $1k - $1.5k, and I blew it when I didn't jump on a 4080 Super when prices were still realistic.
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Are you meaning this card?

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-pul...deon-rx-7900-xtx-24gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814202429

It is under msrp. I grabbed a powercolor hellhound variant at Microcenter the day after Christmas for 800. One of the last ones at the lower prices. It's a great card. You won't be doing all the path tracing etc but if you don't care about that, for me anyway, it's nice to crank settings at 1440p and have high fps. To be honest, that was the most I have ever spent on a card but it should last me a couple of years. If you have a Microcenter near you, you may look though. My local one as of this morning appeared to have some 5080's and 5070ti cards. So may be worth checking. But otherwise, on the xtx, great card. Wondering if it's going to be the new 1080ti.
 
I looked at the benchmarks and I don't think these are accurate. They're not showing the right frequencies for their respective cards. The benchmarks were showing a Max clock of 2500 MHz for the 9070 XT which we know to be closer to 3000MHz and the 9070 non XT was showing 2200MHz and we know that to be closer to 2500MHz.

That being said, I'd recommend taking these leaks with a grain of salt.
 
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It's astonishing how Nvidia and AMD managed to convince us that new gen cards don't need to feature a higher performance/price ratio than the previous gen. Plenty of people seem to be happy when a card cost 30% more for 30% more performance, or cost the same as previous gen, but with basically the same performance.

If this leak is true, the 9070 XT would not even beat the 4070 Super, which has an MSRP of 599$ (yes I know, you can't buy it at this price right now but this is for comparison, and the new AMD cards will likely be in the same situation anyway). I don't think the rumors about AMD selling this card for 400-500$ are true and if I'm right, then why should we buy a card that doesn't beat the 4070 for the same price?

I'm starting to wonder if PC gaming will still be a thing in 10 years from now.
 
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ohio_buckeye said:
Are you meaning this card?

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-pul...deon-rx-7900-xtx-24gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814202429
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Yeah that's the one. My problem is that I'm planning a custom water loop CPU/GPU combo. I've looked for a water block for that card and haven't found anything.

I've waited this long, I'm probably going to wait until this comes back in stock: https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-...-gddr7/p/N82E16814932758?Item=N82E16814932758

I've heard complaints about Gigabyte on these forums, but I don't know how legitimate they are or if they are any different than any of the other AIBs. The factory-installed water block is what is appealing to me
 
As far as Gigabyte, when I did more PC repairs and builds, I would use their motherboards all the time way back and they were great. But that's been years ago. I will say a friend of mine bought a 7900xtx by Gigabyte and had issues with it a year or so after the fact. Sent it back for an RMA and from what I remember they sent him back another card that wasn't in great shape and he had issues with it right off, then was fighting with them trying to get a refund and they ended up sending him another instead which finally worked right. But he was so frustrated he went and bought a powercolor 7900 xtx from Microcenter and then sold the new replacement Gigabyte card that was working, and pretty much said he wasn't buying from Gigabyte anymore.

But as I said, all their stuff I used in the past was fine except for a motherboard because a dude I put a pc together for decided to do drywall/paint in a room where the computer was and I think didn't cover the computer with a cloth and even left it on if I'm not mistaken. Was a little annoyed by that but whatever.
 
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I don't understand the disappointment here. Wasn't it expected that AMD would give up the high end space?

The only way that they can truely disappoint is with the pricing surely..
 
ohio_buckeye said:
As far as Gigabyte, when I did more PC repairs and builds, I would use their motherboards all the time way back and they were great.
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I have always heard that AIBs are held to such scrutiny that they are pretty much all the same when it comes to quality. The main difference is what you get for customer service. I have had awesome experiences with MSI customer service, and I try to stick with that brand when it fits my preferred aesthetics and budget. But I don't have a super strong loyalty to any particular brand if it's not convenient.

Incidentally I found a WB for the Sapphire Pulse on Amazon, but it's not Prime and would come from a business in China with two total reviews. So,... nah.
 
Need to make sure the version of geekbench is the same for comparisons. I'm seeing people posting results from 6.2.2 and other results from 6.4.0.

On 6.4.0 I see this

237625 on vulkan 175019 on Open CL with an 7900 XTX
 
I suggest anyone looking to buy a card to wait 6 months or more for everything to settle. Too much uncertainty right now and the prices are absurd. The best remedy for high prices is high prices. Demand will drop over time. Assuming you have something to use for the next 6+ months.
 
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3ogdy said:
I hope it's an upgrade over their previous generation that features pricing by live people and not brain dead ones who hate the average person buying their product (see nVidia with their RTX4000 gen). We'll see how nVidia does by verifying every customer buying through their website. Let's hope they find solutions.

If AMD can sell high-end hardware (not necessarily compared to nVidia) for $500 and doesn't burn my computer, wallet, or house down, then it's a win-win.
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keep dreaming
 
ohio_buckeye said:
If the performance is really to that low of a level, then they need to come in at $600 or less imo to gain market share. At least if they've fixed the ray tracing performance and are getting fsr 4 to be more equivalent to dlss 4 then that is a decent step forward. But they need to make it appealing to folks in the mainstream sitting on older lower to mid range cards. I say 600 because my local Microcenter showed a 4070 super open box card in stock for $643 if I recall. But realistically they need to be able to undercut the 5070 non ti card then, whatever that number looks like, because a lot of folks probably want a step up from the 60 series cards but don't want to pay a grand for a card.
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FSR4 will not compete with DLSS 4
 
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