LGA1156 really is dead.

[Raidur]

And Jenny, the whole reason i7 shows goodness at low resolutions (I believe) is because the GPU bottleneck is released, as we have talked about before. The 5870 is nearly the same as a 4870x2 and we've seen that Phenom II is enough for that.

BUT, as I just said, the 5970 was benched on too high of a resolution, keeping on that GPU bottleneck. I see those benches no different than a single 5870 on say.. ~1680x1050.

We see that the i7 performs the same as the Phenom II with i7 on a much lower ghz, showing us the i7 still has a lot of room for extra GPU power.

I also wouldn't call .1-1% FPS increase a win. I'd call it about even with that setup and those settings.

 

[bboynatural]

WOw.

Elmo, first you said i7 overkills a phenom II with a HD5970

Now, your backing off SO MUCH and your only claim is that it beats a phenom II at freaking 800x600?????

Who, Focking, CARES??

Your buying a i7 with HD 5970 to play at freaking 800x600 JUST SO THAT YOU CAN CLAIM YOUR BETTER THEN AMD???? WOW.

 

[bboynatural]

And Jenny, the whole reason i7 shows goodness at low resolutions (I believe) is because the GPU bottleneck is released. The 5870 is nearly the same as a 4870x2 and we've seen that Phenom II is enough for that.

BUT, as I just said, the 5970 was benched on too high of a resolution, keeping on that GPU bottleneck. I see those benches no different than a single 5870 on say.. ~1680x1050.

We see that the i7 performs the same as the Phenom II on a much lower ghz, showing us the i7 still has a lot of room for extra GPU power.

I also wouldn't call .1-1% FPS increase a win. I'd call it about even with that setup and those settings.

Funny thing i noticed.

When intel has .1-1% FPS increase, its an AUTOWIN.
But when AMD does, it's even.
lol

 

[xrodney]

Really?

Care to enlighten us as to how much more work the CPU has to do when you increase the resolution? What does the CPU do now anyways?

Transform, Lighting and Clipping is now on the GPU, All means of rasterizing is now relegated to the GPU. Floating point calculations which have to do with Graphics loads are all relegated to the GPU. (GPUs are even having to do Computing tasks now with DX8 and higher).

The CPU simply feeds data and the data doesn't really change as you increase the resolution. It's the same amount of data being fed at the same rate.

CPUs do handle Physics and AI as well as some other integer related tasks though.

If what you said is true then there would not be any CPU bottleneck and if so then same regardless of resolution which is not true.

Its true that most of graphics stuff is handled by GPU, but not all of it, CPU still needs help GPU.

 

[dasickninja]

Look sunshine - you go test your games at 800x640, then test them at 2560x1600 and see how well your theory hold up ok?

Or did you just miss the FACT that Phenom II's are better at extreme gaming than i7's?

Read - http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=869&p=23

/facepalm

I see logic and intelligence is lost here. Let me repeat thyself. The FASTER CPU, can produce MOAR FPS at HIGHER RESOLUTIONS because it RAISES the CPU DEPENDENCY LIMIT.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

WOw.

Elmo, first you said i7 overkills a phenom II with a HD5970

Now, your backing off SO MUCH and your only claim is that it beats a phenom II at freaking 800x600?????

Who, Focking, CARES??

Your buying a i7 with HD 5970 to play at freaking 800x600 JUST SO THAT YOU CAN CLAIM YOUR BETTER THEN AMD???? WOW.

i7 does beat a Phenom II X4 in gaming with a 5970. Take the tests into context at all the CPUs stock clocks.

Look at the results of the Phenom II X4 @ 3.4GHz and the Core i7s at whatever their stock clocks (varying by model).

A 5970 will in many cases be CPU bottlenecked. When you overclock them.. you remove the CPU bottleneck and create a GPU bottleneck.

Then the logical path would be to add more cards (scale them in Tri and Quad fire). And you're back where you started with Core i7 being faster.

 

[jennyh]

And Jenny, the whole reason i7 shows goodness at low resolutions (I believe) is because the GPU bottleneck is released, as we have talked about before. The 5870 is nearly the same as a 4870x2 and we've seen that Phenom II is enough for that.

BUT, as I just said, the 5970 was benched on too high of a resolution, keeping on that GPU bottleneck. I see those benches no different than a single 5870 on say.. ~1680x1050.

We see that the i7 performs the same as the Phenom II with i7 on a much lower ghz, showing us the i7 still has a lot of room for extra GPU power.

I also wouldn't call .1-1% FPS increase a win. I'd call it about even with that setup and those settings.

Ok seriously now...

You've just bought a 5970 costing what? $600+?

You aren't going to be playing at low resolution. *ANY GAME*. In fact you are going to be playing MAXED OUT in every single game.

You want the best fps you can get in most games? It's the Phenom II 965 with the 5970 then. At the settings you or anyone is likely to play at with a 5970, the best gaming cpu is the phenom II 965.

 

[Raidur]

Funny thing i noticed.

When intel has .1-1% FPS increase, its an AUTOWIN.
But when AMD does, it's even.
lol

Umm... ok?

If you ask me the AMD fans are more crucial about small differences than Intel's, but I guess we just have different experiences.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

If what you said is true then there would not be any CPU bottleneck and if so then same regardless of resolution which is not true.

Its true that most of graphics stuff is handled by GPU, but not all of it, CPU still needs help GPU.

It is true...

The CPU feeds the same amount of data to the GPU at the same rate. Increasing the resolution means increasing the Pixel Count. Pixel/s (or triangle/sec) performance is the rasterizers responsibility. GPUs are dedicated hardware rasterizers therefore the GPU is responsible for resolution increases. The amount of data the CPU sends to the GPU is the same.

If you're talking textures.. well when you load a game, textures are loaded into memory (GPU or System memory) and the GPU has direct access to the data (bypassing the CPU).

Again the CPU doesn't handle those tasks.

So even though the resolution goes up which increases the triangle and the texturing loads.. it has no real effect on the CPU. The CPU calculates Physics and AI as well well as other tasks.

Most of the work, these days, is relegated to the GPU.

 

[jennyh]

/facepalm

I see logic and intelligence is lost here. Let me repeat thyself. The FASTER CPU, can produce MOAR FPS at HIGHER RESOLUTIONS because it RAISES the CPU DEPENDENCY LIMIT.

Yes and that is why the i7 wins at low resolution and at high resolution too...OH WAIT NO IT DOESN'T.

Hint :- Read some reviews then come back when you have a decent grasp of the real situation. Until then, gtfo.

 

[bboynatural]

First of all who effing buy tri or quad 5970. those guys are exeption, less then 1% of the whole community.
Second, you buy your OWN computer and you dont overclock?? of COURSE u will overclock. And as I see, phenom II 955 at 3.4GHZ, wich is nothing (it can reach 3.8 ez) is already the same as i7 at 4.0 . This means, we still have room in the cpu (0.4 ghz, or even 0.6 ghz if you bought a 965 125w, wich is alot) so no bottleneck in a longtime buddy.
Third, you buy HD5970 and you even CARE about 800x600??? thats kinda...wow..

 

[Raidur]

But wait Jenny. It is only low resolutions of 800x600 when i7 beats Phenom II I thought.

Anyways, the fight between i7 and Phenom II is about future-proofing. We know the Phenom II is good enough for nearly all GPU setups. But that is all it is, good enough. i7 has a LOT more room than Phenom II, so in the future with better setups (and yes, people will be using 5970s either now or in the future on resolutions of 1920x1200 and lower) i7 will pull ahead.

This is just a guess though, none of us can be 100% certain until the tests are done.

I really don't feel my logic is wrong.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

But wait Jenny. It is only low resolutions of 800x600 when i7 beats Phenom II I thought.

Anyways, the fight between i7 and Phenom II is about future-proofing. We know the Phenom II is good enough for nearly all GPU setups. But that is all it is, good enough. i7 has a LOT more room than Phenom II, so in the future with better setups (and yes, people will be using 5970s either now or in the future on resolutions of 1920x1200 and lower) i7 will pull ahead.

This is just a guess though, none of us can be 100% certain until the tests are done.

I really don't feel my logic is wrong.

Nope.. you're right.

It will take a Phenom II X6 to match the current performance of LGA1156 Core i7 CPUs.

So if you buy an LGA1156 platform.. you can feel comfortable knowing that you will have a top performing platform NOW and all the way through 2010.

And if you get a Core i7 860 from Microcenter.. you won't pay much more for the platform then you would for a Phenom II X4 955 based platform. Maybe like $60 more.

 

[bboynatural]

But wait Jenny. It is only low resolutions of 800x600 when i7 beats Phenom II I thought.

Anyways, the fight between i7 and Phenom II is about future-proofing. We know the Phenom II is good enough for nearly all GPU setups. But that is all it is, good enough. i7 has a LOT more room than Phenom II, so in the future with better setups (and yes, people will be using 5970s either now or in the future on resolutions of 1920x1200 and lower) i7 will pull ahead.

This is just a guess though, none of us can be 100% certain until the tests are done.

I really don't feel my logic is wrong.

And by the time a GPU strong enough to bottleneck phenom will come out, 6cores and 8 cores will probably run through the market, at a lowest price then i7.

 

[Mousemonkey]

/facepalm

I see logic and intelligence is lost here. Let me repeat thyself. The FASTER CPU, can produce MOAR FPS at HIGHER RESOLUTIONS because it RAISES the CPU DEPENDENCY LIMIT.

Indeed my friend, which is why this pile of flamebait thread does not deserve to exist.