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"Asher_N" <compguy666@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> What you think is irrelevant.

New motto for Microsoft and the other giant software companies?

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"Asher_N" <compguy666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in
> news:OpRiqDguFHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
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>>
>> "Asher_N" <compguy666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96D268078ECA9compguy666hotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> news:eOQSn5fuFHA.3660@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> Asher_N wrote:
>>>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in
>>>>> news:ux0JOaduFHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't matter what MS thinks. There is no contract between the
>>>>>> user and MS. There is one between MS and the seller and between
>>>>>> the seller and the user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The agreement is between you and the copyright holder (MS).
>>>>> Technically, the seller only sells you the media. The rest of the
>>>>> cost is a licence fee. The EULA spells out what you can do with the
>>>>> licence. You own the media but not the contents.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! You have every right to believe the earth is flat. That does
>>>> not mean that the earth really is flat.
>>>>
>>>> I purchased the copy of software from the previous owner, the
>>>> retailer. Transfer of ownership occurred at the time of sale.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's were you are fundamentely wrong. You never purchase
>>> copyrighted material. You pay for the rights to use it.
>>
>> Then why do ALL the computer stores in the world say they sell XP
>> software? And NONE of them say they sell a licence to use XP software?
>>
>> To perpetuate the scam, per chance?
>>
>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>
> For the same reason that bookstore say they sell books. Possession of a
> physical media does not transfer ownership of the content.

I can see why you and yours get your panties all up in a bunch, what with it
being so much easier to copy software than books.

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"Asher_N" <compguy666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> news:ee3oVQguFHA.1572@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>
>> Asher_N wrote:
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> news:eOQSn5fuFHA.3660@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> Asher_N wrote:
>>>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in
>>>>> news:ux0JOaduFHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't matter what MS thinks. There is no contract between the
>>>>>> user and MS. There is one between MS and the seller and between
>>>>>> the seller and the user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The agreement is between you and the copyright holder (MS).
>>>>> Technically, the seller only sells you the media. The rest of the
>>>>> cost is a licence fee. The EULA spells out what you can do with the
>>>>> licence. You own the media but not the contents.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! You have every right to believe the earth is flat. That does
>>>> not mean that the earth really is flat.
>>>>
>>>> I purchased the copy of software from the previous owner, the
>>>> retailer. Transfer of ownership occurred at the time of sale.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's were you are fundamentely wrong. You never purchase copyrighted
>>> material. You pay for the rights to use it.
>>
>> I own my copy of copyrighted material, and I have the right to use it
> as
>> a condition of its sale.
>>
>
> You own limited rights of use. You can't buy a book and the re-sell it
> claiming that you were the author.

Sure he could. Some would believe him, most would not.

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
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> Asher_N wrote:
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> news:ee3oVQguFHA.1572@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> Asher_N wrote:
>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>>> news:eOQSn5fuFHA.3660@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>>>>
>>>>> Asher_N wrote:
>>>>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in
>>>>>> news:ux0JOaduFHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't matter what MS thinks. There is no contract between the
>>>>>>> user and MS. There is one between MS and the seller and between
>>>>>>> the seller and the user.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The agreement is between you and the copyright holder (MS).
>>>>>> Technically, the seller only sells you the media. The rest of the
>>>>>> cost is a licence fee. The EULA spells out what you can do with
>>>>>> the licence. You own the media but not the contents.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! You have every right to believe the earth is flat. That does
>>>>> not mean that the earth really is flat.
>>>>>
>>>>> I purchased the copy of software from the previous owner, the
>>>>> retailer. Transfer of ownership occurred at the time of sale.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's were you are fundamentely wrong. You never purchase
>>>> copyrighted material. You pay for the rights to use it.
>>>
>>> I own my copy of copyrighted material, and I have the right to use
>>> it as a condition of its sale.
>>>
>>
>> You own limited rights of use.
>
> No, I own my copy of software, after I exchange cash for the copy of
> software with the previous owner of the copy of software.
>
>> You can't buy a book and the re-sell it
>> claiming that you were the author.
>
> I never calimed that I authored my copy of software. What a bogus
> argument!
>
> You didn't author it either, so I don't see why you have your panties
in
> a twist over what I believe are my rights to my copy of software.
>

Because, and this may come as a surprise to your juvenile mind, believe
in the law, and some of us actually believe in paying for stuff we use
and consume.

 

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Asher_N wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> news:ud5LoxhuFHA.664@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>
>> Asher_N wrote:
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> news:ee3oVQguFHA.1572@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> Asher_N wrote:
>>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>>>> news:eOQSn5fuFHA.3660@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Asher_N wrote:
>>>>>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:ux0JOaduFHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter what MS thinks. There is no contract between the
>>>>>>>> user and MS. There is one between MS and the seller and between
>>>>>>>> the seller and the user.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The agreement is between you and the copyright holder (MS).
>>>>>>> Technically, the seller only sells you the media. The rest of
>>>>>>> the cost is a licence fee. The EULA spells out what you can do
>>>>>>> with the licence. You own the media but not the contents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL! You have every right to believe the earth is flat. That
>>>>>> does not mean that the earth really is flat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I purchased the copy of software from the previous owner, the
>>>>>> retailer. Transfer of ownership occurred at the time of sale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's were you are fundamentely wrong. You never purchase
>>>>> copyrighted material. You pay for the rights to use it.
>>>>
>>>> I own my copy of copyrighted material, and I have the right to use
>>>> it as a condition of its sale.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You own limited rights of use.
>>
>> No, I own my copy of software, after I exchange cash for the copy of
>> software with the previous owner of the copy of software.
>>
>>> You can't buy a book and the re-sell it
>>> claiming that you were the author.
>>
>> I never calimed that I authored my copy of software. What a bogus
>> argument!
>>
>> You didn't author it either, so I don't see why you have your
>> panties in a twist over what I believe are my rights to my copy of
>> software.
>>
>
> Because, and this may come as a surprise to your juvenile mind,
> believe in the law, and some of us actually believe in paying for
> stuff we use and consume.

1.) The EULA is not a law unto itself.
2.) I believe in the privacy and "fair use" rights of my fellow human
beings over the rights of the corporate copyright elite, after they have
been paid for a copy of copyrighted material.

No copyright owner that sells copies of copyrighted material through
third parties has any effin' right to know how I use my copy in the
privacy of my home, and until there is a real legal precedent that says
differently, then I will use my copies of copyrighted material according
to my interpretation of the law, not according to yours or Microsoft's
or any other copyright owner.

You have every right to conform to the legally unsubstantiated whims of
the corporate copyright elite. In every society there are butt-kissers,
and you butt-kissers have every right to snuggle up to society's fascist
a-holes.

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They are goods. A book store doesn't sell a license to a book.

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"Asher_N" <compguy666@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96D25E1749E98compguy666hotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in news:ux0JOaduFHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>
>> Doesn't matter what MS thinks. There is no contract between the user
>> and MS. There is one between MS and the seller and between the seller
>> and the user.
>>
>
> The agreement is between you and the copyright holder (MS). Technically,
> the seller only sells you the media. The rest of the cost is a licence fee.
> The EULA spells out what you can do with the licence. You own the media but
> not the contents.

 

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"David Candy" <.> wrote in news:ueQwzifuFHA.3104@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> They are goods. A book store doesn't sell a license to a book.
>

I a sense they do. You are limited to what you can do with the work. You
own the physical book. You do not own the content. You are not free to copy
the entire content and give that away.

 

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Asher_N wrote:
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in news:ueQwzifuFHA.3104@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>
>> They are goods. A book store doesn't sell a license to a book.
>>
>
> I a sense they do. You are limited to what you can do with the work.
> You own the physical book. You do not own the content. You are not
> free to copy the entire content and give that away.

And no one is saying that they should be able to make copies of XP and
give it away.

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
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> Asher_N wrote:
>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in news:ueQwzifuFHA.3104@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> They are goods. A book store doesn't sell a license to a book.
>>>
>>
>> I a sense they do. You are limited to what you can do with the work.
>> You own the physical book. You do not own the content. You are not
>> free to copy the entire content and give that away.
>
> And no one is saying that they should be able to make copies of XP and
> give it away.
>

This thread was started by someone asking if they can install on more
than one computer. That's giving away the second copy because the EULA
stipulates that you can only install one one computer.

 

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Asher_N wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> news:OEa2NPguFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>
>> Asher_N wrote:
>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in
>>> news:ueQwzifuFHA.3104@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> They are goods. A book store doesn't sell a license to a book.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I a sense they do. You are limited to what you can do with the work.
>>> You own the physical book. You do not own the content. You are not
>>> free to copy the entire content and give that away.
>>
>> And no one is saying that they should be able to make copies of XP
>> and give it away.
>>
>
> This thread was started by someone asking if they can install on more
> than one computer. That's giving away the second copy because the EULA
> stipulates that you can only install one one computer.

Obviously you don't know what giving away means.

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There is no EULA, there is a statement that the book is protected under copyright laws. As is XP.

One contracts with a retailer to purchese a software package. I have never seen licences offered for sale in any store. Third parties can't be bound by contracts. Therefore no MS in contract of sale. The only redress I see (for selling the OS in the first place) is for MS to sue store.

OEM may be bound by EULA.

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> "David Candy" <.> wrote in news:ueQwzifuFHA.3104@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>
>> They are goods. A book store doesn't sell a license to a book.
>>
>
> I a sense they do. You are limited to what you can do with the work. You
> own the physical book. You do not own the content. You are not free to copy
> the entire content and give that away.

 

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"David Candy" <.> wrote in news:OKKbXKguFHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> There is no EULA, there is a statement that the book is protected
> under copyright laws. As is XP.
>
> One contracts with a retailer to purchese a software package. I have
> never seen licences offered for sale in any store. Third parties can't
> be bound by contracts. Therefore no MS in contract of sale. The only
> redress I see (for selling the OS in the first place) is for MS to sue
> store.
>
> OEM may be bound by EULA.
>

The EULA is a contract that further restricts the copyright. Mostly has
to do with the fact that software can be installed on multiple computers.
When you buy a book, which does state that the work is protected under
copyright law, there is no need for any additional contract.

The store can re-sell the sealed box. YOU agree to the EULA when you
click on that accept button. The store is an authorized agent of MS not a
true owner. But in any case, if you buy a copy of Windows, you can re-
sell the sealed package and the new owner is the one entering into a
contract (EULA)

 

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Just go down to the local Wal-Mart and get you another product key and CD.
CD probably has SP2 on it for starters. Scribe a copy of the product key
someplace for safekeeping. Laminate the product key, and adhere it to your
son's PC after the install is assured complete and operable.

There may be a Pentium inside, but MS owns your PC.

"Mixxdj" <Mixxdj@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8FC80684-B167-4ACD-A6DD-B91715DB5422@microsoft.com...
> I own a copy of Windows XP Home SP1 it is installed on my desktop and I
want
> to install it on my sons computer. Do I have to buy another copy or can I
> just buy another Licence.
> I dont think I should have to spend another $150.00 for another copy.
>
> Any help would be appreciated
>
> Thanks