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Nice try to break a paradigma, but you need to work harder, Mr. Molyneux.

Games are not about interacting in a Facebook kind of way at all IMO, is about content and different options for the gamer to choose from. Different technologies we can get in the mix is also a great benefit from the PC world (Nintendo being the exception right now), but this aspect has been forgotten in almost all new games these days (Mouse + Keyboard all the time, and some wheel + pad love).

Cheers!
 
[citation][nom]tipmen[/nom]You have no idea how much that would make my day. So far all i have to look forward to is Crysis 2... Kinda sad[/citation]
There is Fallout 3 1/2 or 4 coming this fall, PC for sure. Dragon Age was good but believe it or not because they way the controls are I recommend it for the consoles.
Mass Effect 2 was good, PC this one.
 
[citation][nom]underpatch[/nom]
with red ring of death .... 360`s has a 52% mortality rate ...

i just wanted to comment because your post summed up jsut about all the disinformation out there in one spot [/citation]

Talk about mis-information? People have been touting that magazine poll as if it were gospel. When it comes to console failure rates, one of the worst sources you could possibly use (besides manufacturers trying to cover up their mistakes with double speak) would be a magazine's web site informal poll with a fan-base which is most likely polarized, and would have the fanboys voting just to make it look worse.

While the failure rates have been dismal, 30% is a lot different from 52%, even if neither are acceptable. I can guarantee that PC parts manufacturer's over the years have let some doozies slip by as well with terrible failure rates.

While this dates back to 2006, the PC/Notebook area isn't squeaky clean either (and Garnter is an unbiased source):
http://www.gartner.com/press_releases/asset_154164_11.html

Which shows in 2003 that notebooks had an average failure rate of 20% in the first year.

Sure, I build my own PC as well, which will help reduce failure rates.. but that doesn't mean that video cards never heat up and fail (which for me last happened to my GeForce 8800 after less than a year in a well ventilated case), or that hard drives never puke. Remember the IBM Deskstar fiasco, I just happened to have a 60GB Deskstar that took a puke quite a few years ago as well.

So yeah, hardware failure sucks no matter what platform(s) you decide to use, but MS is hardly the first company with a terrible hardware failure rate, which has gotten much better as the newer revisions have been released. The PS2 had a pretty dismal failure rate to begin with as well, I replaced mine twice. 🙁
 
what about all those "console exclusive" games?? dont i have he rights to play those games just cause i dont have a PS3 or 360??

and no...i dont want to play farmville...i want to play "god of war 3" and "final fantasy XIII" :|
 
$2,000 dollars? Hmm. My system (of course parts of it came from other's, but let's just look at what I have right now):

AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE - $100
Gigabyte Motherboard - $25 (after getting $20 off for buying my Phenom)
Memory 4 gigs - $90
Video Card HD 5750 - $140 (cheapest I could find on Tiger Direct. Cheaper than New Egg)
DVD RW/R - $40
Hard drive (2x350gb) - $160
Monitor 17" LCD - $140
Case - $40
Total cost: $735

Wow. That's some $2,000 rig!

These are the prices I paid for them when I purchased them over the past couple of years.
 
[citation][nom]underpatch[/nom]if one considers that this 2000 dollar pc will come with screen ... speakers ... all cables and connections needed ... all interface things needed ... or needing yearly subscriptions to get stuff you can get for free off things like steam .... all things that a 300 dollar console wont come with ... plus lets not forget that 30% mark up on games jsut because it is a console game .... i figure with all that and maybe about 20 games that console will come to about 2000 dollars[/citation]

Most people who buy a console already have a tv (you know, the screen and speakers), the console itself comes with all the connections you need for a standard setup, including the "interface things" (controller). And $50 PC games are $60 360 games, so that would be a 20% markup, not 30%. And in order to game with friends instead of needing a second PC and a second copy of the game, all you need is a second controller. And your $2000 dollar PC didn't come with the 20 games either you know.

[citation][nom]underpatch[/nom]"Console gaming is just easier in most instances (less prone to crashing, not having to worry about DRM"with red ring of death .... 360`s has a 52% mortality rate ... nuff said[/citation]

Could you please list your source for that number? In any case, the newer ones seem less prone and it was a free fix.


As a side note, please at least attempt to use proper writing conventions for longer posts. It makes things easier to read, and adds to your credibility.
 
"Remember the Game Informer survey that found that the Xbox 360 has a 54.2% failure rate? Well, Microsoft has responded, and it didn't even try to dispute that fact."

"Just because they failed to contest the figure, however, doesn't mean it's legit. That Game Informer survey was of its readers, which is surely not a truly representative sample of all Xbox 360 owners. Those nerds surely play their consoles a lot harder than your average gamer."

yes i am sure a x360 wont fail if it is on ones shelf gathering dust .... how ever if you are to ask poeple who use it just about every day ... well that might give you very different numbers .... i can tell you that out of every one i know who owns a 360 NONE of them have the they originally baught .... all failed ...

as far as my pc hardware goes .... and this is speaking just for myself ... only failure i ever had was on my laptops power supply ... oddly enough only 2 days ago ... and that was because of a power surge ... so i guess that is understandable .... but still it does count as 1 .... so 1 failure in 22 years of computing ... i guess i am just realy lucky ... or i dont build systems using cheap parts ...
 
btw did the guy "intentionally" leave out the fact that farmville is a flash game that only facebook users who dont have anything better to do play??

wow!!!!!! this guy is SMART!!!
 
"Most people who buy a console already have a tv (you know, the screen and speakers)"

Hd gaming requires hd screens ... the release of the consoles at that time was one of the largest driving forces behind the sale of big screen tv`s back then .... it was not movies like i am sure they had planned but it was consoles .... i know i got my a HD 52" screen for my pc after seeing the big screen my mate got for hes console ... but since i am a 3d artist i could write it off as a business expense ... lucky me 😛

as far as controllers go most standard packages only come with 1 controller ... as i am sure you know as far as consoles go ... this does not work well when you try and play multi player games localy ..... sure it is not necessary to buy more but i am sure you know that most people will have to to play many games with mates ...

i am a south african living in the UK .... here a typical pc game is 30 pounds ... a new console release is very often 50-60 pounds and on occasions i have seen them at 70 pounds.... ... in south africa a pc game is about 400-500 rand .... a new console game is anyway between 800-1200 rand .... i dont know what things are like in amreica because i dont live there .... but my 30% was based off my understanding of a global average .... where i live it is more like 50%
 
I won't pretend to know anything about global stats or situations. However just in order to play the games, you don't need an HDTV. It isn't the same, but if you don't have the money for it, then you buy the console knowing that someday you could get an HDTV.

I did mention that you would need to buy another controller for multiplayer gaming, but that's nothing compared to another PC and a 2nd copy of the game.


As far as the poll for failure rates, it isn't merely the fact that the user base could have been heavily biased towards gamers that use their boxes more than the average user (which is a possibility), but much more importantly, it was a poll, NOT a scientific study. Even scientific studies are often heavily biased (especially ones not done by 3rd parties), but polls of a limited user base that lack great diversity have very little merit.
 
"you don't need an HDTV."

yes ... i am 100% with you ... but we are talking about people who would spend $2000 on a pc for gameing .... those same kind of people would buy a big screen tv to play consoles on .... if the original comparison was between a $600 pc and a console then my comments would not make scene .... but that is not want i was commenting on ... other people made to comparison useing a cheap tv not me

"it was a poll, NOT a scientific study."

you watch fox news dont you ... lol ... UK joke ....

that is a fair compression .... scientific study can only exist through observation and then based off that observation predictions can be made .... those predictions will invariable prove the observations correct or incorrect ... if proven to be correct it could then be added to the scientific theory of that subject .... and in the case of physics it could be added to the mathematical proof ...

as you can see a scientific study is nothing like a poll ... there for one saying a poll is not a scientific study is true ... that is why they DONT USE scientific studies to find the failure rates of electronic devices ....
 
You guys all bitch about consoles, but how many of you own one? or two or three? With the exception of my saturn (which i miss dearly..) I still own all of them including my sega master system. I have the best of both worlds and play the best of both worlds. Console gaming is not going away so get over it.
 
@underpatch

It did not seem to me that you were merely comparing what you would get for spending $2000 for either platform. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. I was merely pointing out that console gaming can be much cheaper than PC gaming.

I don't quite understand how what you mentioned indicates that you can't use a scientific study to find hardware failure rates. In any case, you need something more formal than a poll that was distributed via one medium to a limited user base. Something like the repair numbers from Microsoft vs the total number of consoles sold. That would still not be entirely accurate, but it would be much better.
 
"It did not seem to me that you were merely comparing what you would get for spending $2000 for either platform."

a forum like this one could quite easily get lost ... also when one is at the office working one often dont have the time to type lengthy explanations on a random forum ....... i hear you ... but i guess asking me before making assertions could have cleared alot up ? ... maybe ...

scientific study is the observations of the natural world ... that is all it is .... a poll is asking a group of people what thier experiences of something was ... and i do agree that a poll is not fool proof but it is a good general indicator ... and as for repair numbers .... that is a terrible idea ....

item X has a 2 year guarantee .... if item X breaks with in that time frame it will get repaired and added to the repair numbers .... but if item X breaks after 2 years one either has to buy a new one or get a independent group to repair it ... in either case it wont get added to the repair numbers and would seem with that way of thinking that there is a flawless perfectly running item X out there ... when in truth it is limping or dead ....

 
anyway here is a comment that is actually on topic ....

he is just trying to get the pc gamers he abandoned to like him again .... he is obviously working on a strategy game and he knows those games suck on consoles ...

saddly enough if it is populous 4 .... I FORGIVE YOU !!! i know you hurt and left me because you love me .... what did i do wrong ... was dinner cold ... i promise i wont have dinner cold again ... beat me more if you want ... JUSt PLEASE MAKE A NEW POPULOUS GAME !!!

ahem ... and i do all that in a dignified fashion ....
 
The warranty for the 360 was increased to 3 years, and I would be willing to bet that most RRoD happened within that time frame. Worst case scenario, it would mean about as much as the poll (almost nothing).


[citation][nom]underpatch[/nom]"First off, it's not the question if you can afford it. Most people could round up $2000 if they had to. There's just better things to spend your money on, so a $200-300 console is perfect.[/citation]

You were quoting someone saying that some people feel that $200-300 to game on a console makes more sense than spending $2000 dollars to game on a PC. You then attempted to demonstrate that console gaming in fact would cost around the same amount as PC gaming, and therefore was not worth it since PCs can have much better graphics. I was showing that consoling gaming in fact does not have to cost as much as PC gaming, and following what you originally quoted, can make a lot more sense for some people.
 
As for myself while there isn't that many truly great games coming out I am looking forward to Crysis 2 and this one.
http://www.deusex3.com/
Enjoy.
 
this is becoming sad now .... i will be heading home soon so this i will be my last post ....

"The warranty for the 360 was increased to 3 years,"

ITEM X ... i was not comparing anything to the console you tool ... i have no idea wich regions does what guarantee ....there for everything was based off a hypothetical product .... ITEM X ... and what is worse you totally missed the point ... useing your proposed method of failure checking has serious and obvious flaws ....

"Most people could round up $2000 if they had to"
"if they had to"
"if they had to"
"if they had to"!!!!!

this means they dont have to if they did not want to .... also the same type of people could spend $2000 on a console "IF THEY Fing HAD TO" ...

you dont have to spend $2000 on a new pc if you dont want .... you could go as low as $500 if you wanted to and it will still be faster than a 360.... you dont have to spend $2000 on a console if you dont want to .... but if you are the kind of person who would spend $2000 on a pc then you could just as easily be the kind of person who would spend $2000 on a console ..... there for making a comparison between a crazy massive $2000 setup and a $300 in a attempt to prove that console is cheaper is flawed ....

therefor any attempt on the console players behalf to get even close to $2000 pc system will end up costing him even more in the long run ...

geeeesh i hope you get it this time .... honestly it is like trying to herd cats !

btw ... what you are like 14 or something ?
 
Why does it always have to turn into a PC vs. console war ? It's tiresome and goes nowhere. Just accept the fact that there are advantages and disadvantages to each. Clearly, enough people think consoles are worth buying or else there wouldn't be such a huge market. The same goes for PCs. Just because one solution is better for you doesn't make the other solution worthless or make you superior to somebody who chooses the other. People seriously need to grow up. I personally enjoy gaming on both PCs and consoles.
 
Yes, I must be 14 because I am attempting to have a civil discussion and you are resorting to insults and rants.

I never said that your ITEM X was referring to the 360, I was merely stating a fact. I can see how you saw it though, and I apologize for not being clear.

A $500 computer may be faster, but it is still more than $300.

"therefor any attempt on the console players behalf to get even close to $2000 pc system will end up costing him even more in the long run ..."

As I stated, I was not referring to someone getting the most for their $2000. I agree, spending $2000 on console gaming will not get you the same performance as spending $2000 on PC gaming. However it would probably get you quite a few more games.
 
[citation](hopefully a properly made Battlefield as oppose to BC2.[/citation]

What the hell is wrong with BC2? That game is fantastic and the best in the series since 1942 imo.
 
[citation][nom]pluripotent[/nom]Consoles are for people who can't afford a decent PC, or for kids who don't know enough to operate one.[/citation]

Strange, I am 35 and have a monster of a PC and two 360's, so much for your logic.
 


see thats the beauty of the internet. you can type anything you want to try validate your own opinions. i can say i have 16 monster PC's with a 30" screen hooked up to each and also have a wii, ps3, and xbox 360

without proof your comment is BS
 
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