Question Looking for Upgrade advice - 3d Modeling and Printing (Revit, Rhino, Navisworks, Tekla, etc.) and gaming.

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Hey everyone,

I've been out of the computer world for some time, I built my current PC back in 2013 and it has served me well. I am however noticing some rendering issues and lag even with the recent upgrade to a 3060. I know my current system is sufficient for what gaming I do, but I've got a bonus coming in the next few months, and I think it may be time to upgrade the system as a whole rather than continuing to replace part by part. Current Specs are as follows.|

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Manufacturer ASUS
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz, 3501 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 1007, 5/17/2013
SMBIOS Version 2.7
Embedded Controller Version 255.255
BIOS Mode Legacy
BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
BaseBoard Product SABERTOOTH Z87
BaseBoard Version Rev 1.xx
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 16.0 GB
Total Physical Memory 15.9 GB
Available Physical Memory 9.39 GB
Total Virtual Memory 29.4 GB
Available Virtual Memory 17.6 GB
Page File Space 13.5 GB

Graphics card is a Nvidia GTX 3060
Currently running 5 Drives - All 3.5SSD
2TB -Misc. Storage
2TB - Acts as Media Server storage for the house (plex)
1TB x 2 - 1 Storage and 1 program directories/resources
120GB SSD as Primary - Houses only the OS and some programs that have to be installed on C:

Questionnaire
Approximate Purchase Date: June-July of this year
Budget Range: I would like to keep the upgrades under 1500 is possible, but this isn't really a hard limit. Ideally this next round of upgrades will last me another decade haha!
System Usage from Most to Least Important: 3d Modeling/Design work -> Gaming/General use.
Are you buying a monitor: Not at the moment, may upgrade later down the road.
Parts to Upgrade: I am expecting to have to upgrade the Motherboard/CPU/RAM. I would like to see a few NvMe drives installed, but what I currently have is sufficient.
Do you need to buy OS: No
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: The parts I am using in my current build were bought through NewEgg, I've had good experience with them.
Location: Wisconsin, Oshkosh
Parts Preferences: Intel for the CPU, no real preference on the MB. Though the Asus has been an amazing board, and still is doing very well.
Overclocking: Maybe - Still haven't overclocked this setup, never really got into OC and honestly not really sure why/how to do it?
SLI or Crossfire: No
Your Monitor Resolution: 3 1080x1920

Additional Comments: Just looking to spread the upgrades out, and see what the people that are still active in the computer world recommend for updating parts. Software is heavily 3D dependent, with some larger file sizes, and I would like it to be able to keep up with the games I play, as I am moving back towards PC gaming and away from the consoles.


My apologies if this isn't the correct way to ask for build advice.
 

Lutfij

Titan
Moderator
Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Have a look at this build I'd done for an user on the forums, here.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Black Edition 66.47 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A WIFI D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team T-FORCE DARK Za 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Corsair MP600 Core 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB XC GAMING Video Card ($439.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool MACUBE 110 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($113.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1489.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-04-05 18:53 EDT-0400


Room for change(subtraction), for sure so this isn't the end all be all suggestion. When you ditch the storage and GPU options in my listing, you're left with a backbone with room for allocating funds towards an unlocked processor, a higher tier motherboard(and chipset), a larger capacity ram kit and a higher tier AIO. In fact you should hold out and see what others in the community have in store for you.
 

Darkbreeze

Retired Mod
So, just to be clear, what case model, exact power supply model and CPU cooler do you currently have? Because those are certainly going to be factors in any upgrade path.

And, are the specific parts you already have that you are NOT interested in changing, because you are happy with them as is?
 
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Sorry, I knew I was bound to forget something.

I currently have the CM Stryker CM Stryker White Full Size Case, but am looking to switch out to the Lian Li Lancool Mesh Tower when I upgrade the board.

Power Supply is a EVGA 850 that I just had replaced in an RMA less than a year ago.

CPU Cooler is a Deepcool Gammax. I am interested in Liquid Cooling, but know almost nothing about it or whether it's necessary. I assumed I would replace this with the CPU/MB, as it's been running now for almost a decade, and idk how much longer it should last?

The hard drives do not need replaced, as they are running perfectly fine - I will upgrade those as needed.
The monitors are in the same boat as the hard drives - when/if I get a new one I'll likely go for a wider curved monitor. I would rather spend the money on hardware for the tower itself?

Thank you as well for the partslist, I'll give that a look. Could you explain what difference an Unlocked CPU makes?
 

Why_Me

Glorious
First board (B660) allows for a single M.2 SSD and the second board (H670) allows for two M.2 SSD's.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144523
MSI PRO B660-A DDR4 $149.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B660-A-DDR4/Overview

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119537
ASUS TUF GAMING H670-PRO WIFI D4 $229.99

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-H670-PRO-WIFI-D4/

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700F-2-1GHz-6xxChipset-BX8071512700F/dp/B09NPJDPVG/
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.97

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134592/intel-core-i712700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-25600-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07RW6Z692/
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 32GB (2X16GB) CL16 $139.99

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-LGA1700-Upgrade/dp/B09MRTXRSD/
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 A-RGB and Intel LGA1700 Upgrade Kit $102.99

or ...

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler $64.99

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ak620-review

Review of that cpu with benchmarks.

 

Darkbreeze

Retired Mod
Unlocked CPUs are usually a slight bit faster, generally 100-200mhz, than their locked counterparts. They also have an unlocked multiplier so that overclocking is easily possible. I generally recommend going with a K sku, which is an unlocked part, most of the time unless it's really not needed and there is a significant price difference.

I have the 12700k myself and I'm using a single finstack Noctua cooler, the NH-U14S, with no problems but I haven't gotten into any overclocking with it yet so I am unsure how it will do there. I only have about a ten degree Celcius thermal margin to play with right now but I am a pretty avid overclocker so I will likely see what I can get out of it while remaining stable and thermally compliant. But it is totally not necessary because this thing makes my 6700k which was overclocked to 4.7Ghz, seem really like a dinosaur.

Going from your 4770K to any CPU in the Alder lake stack is going to be a dramatic increase in both single core and multicore performance. Going to the 12700k would keep you in business for quite a long time as far as the next upgrade goes, unless something drastically changes in the near future and you never know on that.

Do you have your heart set on trying out an AIO closed loop water cooler or are you ok with going with an air cooler, which, if you go with a larger higher quality 140mm model, even maybe a twin finstack model, it's going to likely be a lot quieter as the fan noise is decreased and there is no pump noise. But, AIO's have come a long way as well so it's up to you. I prefer air but I'm not against water cooling these days like I was when it was young and leaks were a much bigger concern.
 

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