Question Low fps with Ryzen 5 3600 and Gfx 1080 card.

[Minibrox]

I have low fps in games like cod and battlefield 2024. 30-60 fps in call of duty and 10-38 fps in battlefield 2024.
I had freeze lag every 4th second in games like risk of rain 2, where only the game would drop from 100 to below 10 fps and game screen would freeze for some seconds.
That suddenly stopped, but got fps drops in call of duty where fps dropped from 60 to 10 and ping spiked very high for a few seconds. But it stopped when I used ddu to completly reinstall graphic drivers.

My average fps in battlefield is now 20-38, it went up from 10-20 after enabling dx12 in the game.
I also now have random laggs in windows, where the mouse and windows is barely moveable for some seconds and audio makes beeping sounds.

I upgraded my motherboard, ram and cpu in june, but my graphic card is from 2017. Had no problems except low fps when I did.

I have talked with both nvidia support and support from where I got the parts, and they have no answer about it being hardware or software error.

My current speccs are:
MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Armor OC
Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2 motherboard
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Processor
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB

Temperatures are normal without any spikes and all drivers up to date.
And Ive done all the recommended graphic optimizations

 

[Minibrox]

Probably being flagged because of the temps.

Should i try undervolting the cpu until I can get better fans?

 

[kurdtnz]

Depends on your experience? If you know how, sure but a new cpu cooler is defo the way forward.

 

[Minibrox]

Depends on your experience? If you know how, sure but a new cpu cooler is defo the way forward.

Didnt manage to find out how to do it in Aourus bios I have, but managed to set the cpu to stay below 95 with ryzen master.
And lowered the processer power settings to 90% in windows power settings

 

[dotas1]

Didnt manage to find out how to do it in Aourus bios I have, but managed to set the cpu to stay below 95 with ryzen master.
And lowered the processer power settings to 90% in windows power settings

I would not keep using the PC till you make the changes needed. Especially the new thermal paste. You don't NEED a new CPU cooler, but it is recommended to use a better one.

I am certain the bad airflow makes things worse but hitting those temps also means either bad fit of cooler, dried thermal paste, or both.

 

[Minibrox]

I would not keep using the PC till you make the changes needed. Especially the new thermal paste. You don't NEED a new CPU cooler, but it is recommended to use a better one.

I am certain the bad airflow makes things worse but hitting those temps also means either bad fit of cooler, dried thermal paste, or both.

Thanks. Managed to get the temperature down to 63 celcius idle and around 70 while gaming. Gonna do what I can to optimize the airflow and apply thermal paste when I can tomorrow

 

[Minibrox]

Depends on your experience? If you know how, sure but a new cpu cooler is defo the way forward.

I would not keep using the PC till you make the changes needed. Especially the new thermal paste. You don't NEED a new CPU cooler, but it is recommended to use a better one.

I am certain the bad airflow makes things worse but hitting those temps also means either bad fit of cooler, dried thermal paste, or both.

I installed the pc in another cabinet with better cooling airflow and more fans, applied new cooling paste and now havent had any temperaturs above 70 on gpu and 85 on cpu. The cpu is at around 60 average.
But I still dont get as high fps as I should on the gtx 1080.
The old cabinet was a prebuilt pc, where I replaced motherboard, cpu and ram due to what seemed like heat damage after the water cooling died. I didnt think about the high temperatures since the airflow was supposed to be optimized from the company that built it.
Does this mean my gtx 1080 could have taken damage too?

 

[dotas1]

I installed the pc in another cabinet with better cooling airflow and more fans, applied new cooling paste and now havent had any temperaturs above 70 on gpu and 85 on cpu. The cpu is at around 60 average.
But I still dont get as high fps as I should on the gtx 1080.
The old cabinet was a prebuilt pc, where I replaced motherboard, cpu and ram due to what seemed like heat damage after the water cooling died. I didnt think about the high temperatures since the airflow was supposed to be optimized from the company that built it.
Does this mean my gtx 1080 could have taken damage too?

85C on cpu is still very high and should not be reached with that low TDP CPU. Something else is going on here...

You said that you changed motherboard, CPU and ram after a water cooling failed. What made you think there was heat damage?

 

[gamerk316]

Agreed with the prognosis, the CPU is getting too hot. It's almost certainly clocking down, which is killing your FPS. Obvious first step here is re-apply thermal past and reattach cooler.

GPUs are a bit more tolerant then CPUs are; my 1080 Ti will reach the mid-80's playing his stress titles, but my CPU stays around the mid-60's. A CPU reaching the 80s is generally the point where your cooling solution needs to be examined. The fact it hit 90's, even under heavy load, is a major problem that needs to be resolved.

 

[Minibrox]

85C on cpu is still very high and should not be reached with that low TDP CPU. Something else is going on here...

You said that you changed motherboard, CPU and ram after a water cooling failed. What made you think there was heat damage?

What temperature should it be on? And how can I further lower the temperature the best way?

After I changed the cpu cooler on old hardware, there were still alot of errors all the time, and the company told me it was most likely heat damaged after the water cooler broke. And I was told to replace the parts since warranty just ran out.
But the old hardware never shut itself down wich is strange since it should shut down if temperatures are dangerously high by it self?
Im now sending in that old hardware to get the damage evaluated since I according to the laws in my country still have rights of complaint on it all until next year.

 

[Minibrox]

Agreed with the prognosis, the CPU is getting too hot. It's almost certainly clocking down, which is killing your FPS. Obvious first step here is re-apply thermal past and reattach cooler.

GPUs are a bit more tolerant then CPUs are; my 1080 Ti will reach the mid-80's playing his stress titles, but my CPU stays around the mid-60's. A CPU reaching the 80s is generally the point where your cooling solution needs to be examined. The fact it hit 90's, even under heavy load, is a major problem that needs to be resolved.

But is 85 celcius still too hot? Its only reached 85 once so far while playing call of duty. Its normally around 70 celcius while gaming.

Using a gtx 680 card temporarly while sending in the old hardware, and managed getting the same fps in call on duty on that

 

[gamerk316]

GPUs get hot, but most of them can handle up to the 90's. 84C max is actually pretty good by modern GPU standards. [Also note my exhaust situation isn't the greatest so some hot air is probably circulating back into the PC]. For GPUs, my personal redline is 90C. For CPUs, I redline at 80C [with 75C being preferred].

 

[Minibrox]

GPUs get hot, but most of them can handle up to the 90's. 84C max is actually pretty good by modern GPU standards. [Also note my exhaust situation isn't the greatest so some hot air is probably circulating back into the PC]. For GPUs, my personal redline is 90C. For CPUs, I redline at 80C [with 75C being preferred].

The max temperature for my graphic card now has been 71 celcius. Does this mean I might have applied too little thermal paste to cpu since it can reach 85? Current idle temperature with firefox, discord and drivers for keyboard and heatset running is 65 celcius on cpu and 47 on gpu. I used coolermaster master gel maker

 

[Minibrox]

The max temperature for my graphic card now has been 71 celcius. Does this mean I might have applied too little thermal paste to cpu since it can reach 85? Current idle temperature with firefox, discord and drivers for keyboard and heatset running is 65 celcius on cpu and 47 on gpu. I used coolermaster master gel maker

Maximum temperature on motherboard vr loop has been 41 celcius so far, but is 38 celcius idle

 

[dotas1]

But is 85 celcius still too hot? Its only reached 85 once so far while playing call of duty. Its normally around 70 celcius while gaming.

Using a gtx 680 card temporarly while sending in the old hardware, and managed getting the same fps in call on duty on that

It is hot especially while idle it should NOT reach those temps. It is not too hot to handle but it is too hot if you consider that it should not even reach 80. It's either poor applied thermal paste, bad fit of cooler or something uses a lot of the CPU, something like virus or malware.

When was the last time you scanned the PC for malware?

I would also try reapplying thermal paste with a bit more this time.

GPUs get hot, but most of them can handle up to the 90's. 84C max is actually pretty good by modern GPU standards. [Also note my exhaust situation isn't the greatest so some hot air is probably circulating back into the PC]. For GPUs, my personal redline is 90C. For CPUs, I redline at 80C [with 75C being preferred].

As you said, it's fine for GPUs but he is sitting at 85C on CPU. Yes, max and not average, but still, hot enough to have thermal throttling and freezes.

 

[Minibrox]

It is hot especially while idle it should NOT reach those temps. It is not too hot to handle but it is too hot if you consider that it should not even reach 80. It's either poor applied thermal paste, bad fit of cooler or something uses a lot of the CPU, something like virus or malware.

When was the last time you scanned the PC for malware?

I would also try reapplying thermal paste with a bit more this time.


As you said, it's fine for GPUs but he is sitting at 85C on CPU. Yes, max and not average, but still, hot enough to have thermal throttling and freezes.

I have not have any freezes since I applied the new thermal paste. Did a scan and pc was clean. Got no programs that shouldnt be there running. I did not use much thermal paste in fear of using too much

 

[dotas1]

I have not have any freezes since I applied the new thermal paste. Did a scan and pc was clean. Got no programs that shouldnt be there running. I did not use much thermal paste in fear of using too much

I don't recommend putting much. A pea size sphere is more than enough. You should reapply in case there was bad spreading so the die was not fully covered.

The no freezes is a good sign but you definitely still thermal throttle at 85C. You are not even getting higher clocks with boost because it also looks for temps when boosting. That does make the FPS lower.

In order to make sure you do not have a cpu issue, you will need to scan with Malwarebytes and buying a decent CPU cooler. Consider this for your shopping: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpu-coolers,4181.html

I would go for the cooler master to not break the bank.

 

[Minibrox]

I don't recommend putting much. A pea size sphere is more than enough. You should reapply in case there was bad spreading so the die was not fully covered.

The no freezes is a good sign but you definitely still thermal throttle at 85C. You are not even getting higher clocks with boost because it also looks for temps when boosting. That does make the FPS lower.

In order to make sure you do not have a cpu issue, you will need to scan with Malwarebytes and buying a decent CPU cooler. Consider this for your shopping: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpu-coolers,4181.html

I would go for the cooler master to not break the bank.

I installed a Noctua NH-U9S cpu cooler today, set up my pc in another cabinet with fans in back, cabinet door, top and front. Its definitly better airflow than my old cabinet, and all temperatures are lower.

But still hitting maximum temps of 75 celcius while gaming, its on 64 average and 50 minimum.
And I still have the same fps drop lag from 100 to 10 ? Should I have colder temperatures?

I have
Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2
AMD Ryzen 5 3600

 

[dotas1]

I installed a Noctua NH-U9S cpu cooler today, set up my pc in another cabinet with fans in back, cabinet door, top and front. Its definitly better airflow than my old cabinet, and all temperatures are lower.

But still hitting maximum temps of 75 celcius while gaming, its on 64 average and 50 minimum.
And I still have the same fps drop lag from 100 to 10 ? Should I have colder temperatures?

I have
Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2
AMD Ryzen 5 3600

Max and average are very good now. Minimum of 50C is it while idle or while gaming? If it's idle, it's hot.

Have you scanned the system for malware? I would also suggest to try a new windows installation maybe to a spare drive if you don't want to mess with the current installation and see if the issue persists.

 

[Minibrox]

Max and average are very good now. Minimum of 50C is it while idle or while gaming? If it's idle, it's hot.

Have you scanned the system for malware? I would also suggest to try a new windows installation maybe to a spare drive if you don't want to mess with the current installation and see if the issue persists.

I found out one of my harddriives was spiking alot in perfermance even when idle. All the lag dissapeared when I disconnected it. Never occured to me since its quite new and I have little on it:/ Thanks for all the help nontheless

 

[spentshells]

You reinstall windows after updating your hardware? I getthe feeling you didn't if so this is what you need to do. Back up your media and reinstall everything starting with windows Install as new not repair or any other option.

 

[Minibrox]

You reinstall windows after updating your hardware? I getthe feeling you didn't if so this is what you need to do. Back up your media and reinstall everything starting with windows Install as new not repair or any other option.

I checked my whole pc for malware without finding anything, reinstalled all drivers. But in the end it was one of my new HDD causing the problem. So i solved the problem myself.
The hard drive is now disconnected and all my current troubles gone. Reinstalling OS is not always the sollution, if I reinstalled my hard drive that I had very little on would still cause just as much problems