Question low score with 3080 on 3dmark?

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Hello, here is my 3dmark:

View: https://imgur.com/a/Bfe7mPn


I am running a MSI gaming trio Z 10gb 3080 and i feel like my score is a bit low. I also seem to be getting fairly low FPS numbers in the games that i play compared to YouTube tests in those games.

i have xmp enabled on my 3600 16gb ram. My windows 10 power settings are on ultimate. the card is not overclocked. Could the ryzen 3600 stock really be hurting my performance this much?
Thank you.
 
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First of all, your power plan should NOT be set to ultimate. It should be set to balanced or Ryzen balanced, depending on what is showing amongst your power plans. Setting the power plan to ultimate will, ultimately, usually result in thermal throttling which ends up bringing worse performance to the table than with the balanced power power plan. Plus, Performance and Ultimate plans tend to keep cores at high power and frequency levels, even unused ones, when they don't need to be, which causes the entire PACKAGE to sustain a higher temperature, which results in boost levels and how long boost speeds are maintained to be reduced, thus reducing performance.

The first things you should do though is make sure you have the MOST up to date motherboard BIOS version installed and that you have installed ALL of the latest chipset drivers (Get this from AMD website for the chipset type your board has), LAN or WiFi adapter drivers and audio controller driver, from your motherboard's product support page.

After that, go into the Windows power options and set the power plan to balanced or Ryzen balanced, depending on what you see there. For an RTX 3080 it is very unlikely your 3600 is hampering your performance by that much unless you are running at a lower resolution with lower in game settings. The higher the resolution and the higher the settings, the less the CPU is going to be a factor because it's going to have more time to be sitting around waiting for the GPU to do it's thing and it will take longer for the GPU to do it's thing if the resolution is higher and the settings are higher.

If you want a bazilliony FPS and you want to run at lower-ish settings to remove the GPU from the equation, then you might want to consider a 5xxx series CPU and possibly one with higher core count.
 

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Here's an example with a 3700X & 3400mhz ram: Just a hair faster than yours with the CPU averaging 300hmz more: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/59604386

Another with a 5950X but with 2100mhz ram: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/59585952

You've got a non X older 3600 CPU and slightly slow CL18 3600mhz ram. Not that that is terrible at all, it's a solid build but when comparing it to a newer system there are going to be large differences in the scores.
 

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Here's an example with a 3700X & 3400mhz ram: Just a hair faster than yours with the CPU averaging 300hmz more: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/59604386

Another with a 5950X but with 2100mhz ram: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/59585952

You've got a non X older 3600 CPU and slightly slow CL18 3600mhz ram. Not that that is terrible at all, it's a solid build but when comparing it to a newer system there are going to be large differences in the scores.

Does that explain the bottom 3% score on the gpu?
 

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(Yours)Ryzen 3600 3600mhz CL18 ram : 147% 3rd percentile 210FPS 217 fps

Ryzen 5800x3d 3600 CL16 ram tuned timings 202% 96th percentile 281 fps 244 fps

Your score compared to one of the best.

Your CPU is the major bottleneck, tuned ram and a slight GPU Overclock make up most of the rest. Example, their ram is heavily tuned running 47.5 ns whereas yours is stock @ 68.5 ns

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/58246990

The issue with benchmarks is any system is often being compared to the highest end builds, with the best being heavily optimized and overclocked.

My system is not terribly different from yours, 5700x & a 6900xt. I have a mild overclock on the CPU and the memory is high end and lightly tuned. My 6900XT is falling in the 47th percentile. Not amazing, but there is nothing "wrong" with my system, it's just being compared to the highest end heavily overclocked builds which are to expensive and finicky for me or most people. Just like a car, if you have a stock honda civic, it's not going to be as fast as an enthusiasts modded civic.
 
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3%? Are you kidding me? Just your internet connection or a couple of extra applications installed in Windows, or ONE memory timing, or an older BIOS or driver version could all account for MUCH more than that. This is a problem that doesn't exist. Anything up to and including a 10% difference, or more in some cases, is negligible AND expected variation in "benchmarks" these days. Also, in actual FPS. You want to make sure you are getting all you can from your hardware, then do ALL of the following, as needed.

If there are any steps listed here that you have not already done, it would be advisable to do so if for no other reason than to be able to say you've already done it and eliminate that possibility.



First,

Make sure your motherboard has the MOST recent BIOS version installed. If it does not, then update. This solves a high number of issues even in cases where the release that is newer than yours makes no mention of improving graphics card or other hardware compatibility. They do not list every change they have made when they post a new BIOS release. In cases where you DO already have the latest BIOS version, simply resetting the BIOS as follows has a fairly high percentage chance of effecting a positive change in some cases so it is ALWAYS worth TRYING, at the very least.


BIOS Hard Reset procedure

Power off the unit, switch the PSU off and unplug the PSU cord from either the wall or the power supply.

Remove the motherboard CMOS battery for about three to five minutes. In some cases it may be necessary to remove the graphics card to access the CMOS battery.

During that five minutes while the CMOS battery is out of the motherboard, press the power button on the case, continuously, for 15-30 seconds, in order to deplete any residual charge that might be present in the CMOS circuit. After the five minutes is up, reinstall the CMOS battery making sure to insert it with the correct side up just as it came out.

If you had to remove the graphics card you can now reinstall it, but remember to reconnect your power cables if there were any attached to it as well as your display cable.

Now, plug the power supply cable back in, switch the PSU back on and power up the system. It should display the POST screen and the options to enter CMOS/BIOS setup. Enter the bios setup program and reconfigure the boot settings for either the Windows boot manager or for legacy systems, the drive your OS is installed on if necessary.

Save settings and exit. If the system will POST and boot then you can move forward from there including going back into the bios and configuring any other custom settings you may need to configure such as Memory XMP, A-XMP or D.O.C.P profile settings, custom fan profile settings or other specific settings you may have previously had configured that were wiped out by resetting the CMOS.

In some cases it may be necessary when you go into the BIOS after a reset, to load the Optimal default or Default values and then save settings, to actually get the hardware tables to reset in the boot manager.

It is probably also worth mentioning that for anything that might require an attempt to DO a hard reset in the first place, IF the problem is related to a lack of video signal, it is a GOOD IDEA to try a different type of display as many systems will not work properly for some reason with displayport configurations. It is worth trying HDMI if you are having no display or lack of visual ability to enter the BIOS, or no signal messages.

Trying a different monitor as well, if possible, is also a good idea if there is a lack of display. It happens.


Second,

Go to the product page for your motherboard on the manufacturer website. Download and install the latest driver versions for the chipset, audio and network adapters. Do not skip installing a newer driver just because you think it is not relevant to the problem you are having. The drivers for one device can often affect ALL other devices and a questionable driver release can cause instability in the OS itself. They don't release new drivers just for fun. If there is a new driver release for a component, there is a good reason for it. The same goes for BIOS updates. When it comes to the chipset drivers, if your motherboard manufacturer lists a chipset driver that is newer than what the chipset developer (Intel or AMD, for our purposes) lists, then use that one. If Intel (Or AMD) shows a chipset driver version that is newer than what is available from the motherboard product page, then use that one. Always use the newest chipset driver that you can get and always use ONLY the chipset drivers available from either the motherboard manufacturer, AMD or Intel.

In ANY case, when it comes to drivers, you do not EVER want to rely on the Microsoft supplied drivers unless there is NO OTHER CHOICE because you are running a newer OS version on much older hardware and no drivers are available from the manufacturer for the OS version you are running. Then, and ONLY then, do you want to rely on the Windows supplied drivers for anything related to your motherboard (Chipset, onboard network adapters, audio, etc.), graphics card, PCIe expansion cards or peripherals like mouse, keyboard, printer, etc.

IF you have other hardware installed or attached to the system that are not a part of the systems covered by the motherboard drivers, then go to the support page for THAT component and check to see if there are newer drivers available for that as well. If there are, install them.


Third,

Make sure your memory is running at the correct advertised speed in the BIOS. This may require that you set the memory to run at the XMP profile settings. Also, make sure you have the memory installed in the correct slots and that they are running in dual channel which you can check by installing CPU-Z and checking the Memory and SPD tabs. For all modern motherboards that are dual channel memory architectures, from the last ten years at least, if you have two sticks installed they should be in the A2 (Called DDR4_1 on some boards) or B2 (Called DDR4_2 on some boards) which are ALWAYS the SECOND and FOURTH slots over from the CPU socket, counting TOWARDS the edge of the motherboard EXCEPT on boards that only have two memory slots total. In that case, if you have two modules it's not rocket science, but if you have only one, then install it in the A1 or DDR4_1 slot.



Fourth (And often tied for most important along with an up-to-date motherboard BIOS),

A clean install of the graphics card drivers. Regardless of whether you "already installed the newest drivers" for your graphics card or not, it is OFTEN a good idea to do a CLEAN install of the graphics card drivers. Just installing over the old drivers OR trying to use what Nvidia and AMD consider a clean install is not good enough and does not usually give the same result as using the Display Driver Uninstaller utility. This has a very high success rate and is always worth a shot.


If you have had both Nvidia and AMD cards installed at any point on that operating system then you will want to run the DDU twice. Once for the old card drivers (ie, Nvidia or AMD) and again for the currently installed graphics card drivers (ie, AMD or Nvidia). So if you had an Nvidia card at some point in the past, run it first for Nvidia and then after that is complete, run it again for AMD if you currently have an AMD card installed.



And last, but not least, if you have never done a CLEAN install of Windows, or have upgraded from an older version to Windows 10, or have been through several spring or fall major Windows updates, it might be a very good idea to consider doing a clean install of Windows if none of these other solutions has helped. IF you are using a Windows installation from a previous system and you didn't do a clean install of Windows after building the new system, then it's 99.99% likely that you NEED to do a CLEAN install before trying any other solutions.


How to do a CLEAN installation of Windows 10, the RIGHT way
 
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(Yours)Ryzen 3600 3600mhz CL18 ram : 147% 3rd percentile 210FPS 217 fps

Ryzen 5800x3d 3600 CL16 ram tuned timings 202% 96th percentile 281 fps 244 fps

Your score compared to one of the best.

Your CPU is the major bottleneck, tuned ram and a slight GPU Overclock make up most of the rest. Example, their ram is heavily tuned running 47.5 ns whereas yours is stock @ 68.5 ns

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/58246990

The issue with benchmarks is any system is often being compared to the highest end builds, with the best being heavily optimized and overclocked.

My system is not terribly different from yours, 5700x & a 6900xt. I have a mild overclock on the CPU and the memory is high end and lightly tuned. My 6900XT is falling in the 47th percentile. Not amazing, but there is nothing "wrong" with my system, it's just being compared to the highest end heavily overclocked builds which are to expensive and finicky for me or most people. Just like a car, if you have a stock honda civic, it's not going to be as fast as an enthusiasts modded civic.
Well thanks for that really in depth reply. Do you think i could improve my ingame fps a bit by overclocking the ram slightly?
 

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3%? Are you kidding me? Just your internet connection or a couple of extra applications installed in Windows, or ONE memory timing, or an older BIOS or driver version could all account for MUCH more than that. This is a problem that doesn't exist. Anything up to and including a 10% difference, or more in some cases, is negligible AND expected variation in "benchmarks" these days. Also, in actual FPS. You want to make sure you are getting all you can from your hardware, then do ALL of the following, as needed.

If there are any steps listed here that you have not already done, it would be advisable to do so if for no other reason than to be able to say you've already done it and eliminate that possibility.



First,

Make sure your motherboard has the MOST recent BIOS version installed. If it does not, then update. This solves a high number of issues even in cases where the release that is newer than yours makes no mention of improving graphics card or other hardware compatibility. They do not list every change they have made when they post a new BIOS release. In cases where you DO already have the latest BIOS version, simply resetting the BIOS as follows has a fairly high percentage chance of effecting a positive change in some cases so it is ALWAYS worth TRYING, at the very least.


BIOS Hard Reset procedure

Power off the unit, switch the PSU off and unplug the PSU cord from either the wall or the power supply.

Remove the motherboard CMOS battery for about three to five minutes. In some cases it may be necessary to remove the graphics card to access the CMOS battery.

During that five minutes while the CMOS battery is out of the motherboard, press the power button on the case, continuously, for 15-30 seconds, in order to deplete any residual charge that might be present in the CMOS circuit. After the five minutes is up, reinstall the CMOS battery making sure to insert it with the correct side up just as it came out.

If you had to remove the graphics card you can now reinstall it, but remember to reconnect your power cables if there were any attached to it as well as your display cable.

Now, plug the power supply cable back in, switch the PSU back on and power up the system. It should display the POST screen and the options to enter CMOS/BIOS setup. Enter the bios setup program and reconfigure the boot settings for either the Windows boot manager or for legacy systems, the drive your OS is installed on if necessary.

Save settings and exit. If the system will POST and boot then you can move forward from there including going back into the bios and configuring any other custom settings you may need to configure such as Memory XMP, A-XMP or D.O.C.P profile settings, custom fan profile settings or other specific settings you may have previously had configured that were wiped out by resetting the CMOS.

In some cases it may be necessary when you go into the BIOS after a reset, to load the Optimal default or Default values and then save settings, to actually get the hardware tables to reset in the boot manager.

It is probably also worth mentioning that for anything that might require an attempt to DO a hard reset in the first place, IF the problem is related to a lack of video signal, it is a GOOD IDEA to try a different type of display as many systems will not work properly for some reason with displayport configurations. It is worth trying HDMI if you are having no display or lack of visual ability to enter the BIOS, or no signal messages.

Trying a different monitor as well, if possible, is also a good idea if there is a lack of display. It happens.


Second,

Go to the product page for your motherboard on the manufacturer website. Download and install the latest driver versions for the chipset, audio and network adapters. Do not skip installing a newer driver just because you think it is not relevant to the problem you are having. The drivers for one device can often affect ALL other devices and a questionable driver release can cause instability in the OS itself. They don't release new drivers just for fun. If there is a new driver release for a component, there is a good reason for it. The same goes for BIOS updates. When it comes to the chipset drivers, if your motherboard manufacturer lists a chipset driver that is newer than what the chipset developer (Intel or AMD, for our purposes) lists, then use that one. If Intel (Or AMD) shows a chipset driver version that is newer than what is available from the motherboard product page, then use that one. Always use the newest chipset driver that you can get and always use ONLY the chipset drivers available from either the motherboard manufacturer, AMD or Intel.

In ANY case, when it comes to drivers, you do not EVER want to rely on the Microsoft supplied drivers unless there is NO OTHER CHOICE because you are running a newer OS version on much older hardware and no drivers are available from the manufacturer for the OS version you are running. Then, and ONLY then, do you want to rely on the Windows supplied drivers for anything related to your motherboard (Chipset, onboard network adapters, audio, etc.), graphics card, PCIe expansion cards or peripherals like mouse, keyboard, printer, etc.

IF you have other hardware installed or attached to the system that are not a part of the systems covered by the motherboard drivers, then go to the support page for THAT component and check to see if there are newer drivers available for that as well. If there are, install them.


Third,

Make sure your memory is running at the correct advertised speed in the BIOS. This may require that you set the memory to run at the XMP profile settings. Also, make sure you have the memory installed in the correct slots and that they are running in dual channel which you can check by installing CPU-Z and checking the Memory and SPD tabs. For all modern motherboards that are dual channel memory architectures, from the last ten years at least, if you have two sticks installed they should be in the A2 (Called DDR4_1 on some boards) or B2 (Called DDR4_2 on some boards) which are ALWAYS the SECOND and FOURTH slots over from the CPU socket, counting TOWARDS the edge of the motherboard EXCEPT on boards that only have two memory slots total. In that case, if you have two modules it's not rocket science, but if you have only one, then install it in the A1 or DDR4_1 slot.



Fourth (And often tied for most important along with an up-to-date motherboard BIOS),

A clean install of the graphics card drivers. Regardless of whether you "already installed the newest drivers" for your graphics card or not, it is OFTEN a good idea to do a CLEAN install of the graphics card drivers. Just installing over the old drivers OR trying to use what Nvidia and AMD consider a clean install is not good enough and does not usually give the same result as using the Display Driver Uninstaller utility. This has a very high success rate and is always worth a shot.


If you have had both Nvidia and AMD cards installed at any point on that operating system then you will want to run the DDU twice. Once for the old card drivers (ie, Nvidia or AMD) and again for the currently installed graphics card drivers (ie, AMD or Nvidia). So if you had an Nvidia card at some point in the past, run it first for Nvidia and then after that is complete, run it again for AMD if you currently have an AMD card installed.


Graphics card driver CLEAN install guide using the Wagnard tools DDU



And last, but not least, if you have never done a CLEAN install of Windows, or have upgraded from an older version to Windows 10, or have been through several spring or fall major Windows updates, it might be a very good idea to consider doing a clean install of Windows if none of these other solutions has helped. IF you are using a Windows installation from a previous system and you didn't do a clean install of Windows after building the new system, then it's 99.99% likely that you NEED to do a CLEAN install before trying any other solutions.


How to do a CLEAN installation of Windows 10, the RIGHT way
Wow that was incredible. I will have to look at following all of that advice. Thank you very much.
 
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Well thanks for that really in depth reply. Do you think i could improve my ingame fps a bit by overclocking the ram slightly?

It could, but it's rather time consuming and certain ram overclocks better than others. Figure at best 10-15fps in a best case scenario. Downside is you HAVE to do stability testing. Overclocking can destroy ram stability which can cause all sorts of issues.

If you want to dive into it I would highly recommend you do your research, figure out what memory chips are used in your ram & check out DRAM Calculator for Ryzen.

Stability testing though is a must, especially if this is a dual use PC, no one wants BSOD's or potential operating system corruption.

If you're really pushing for a higher performance rig, the 5000 series processors will be the cheapest and most reliable solution especially if you can sell your old CPU for $50-$70.

You're still not going to hit 80th percentile, that's for folks with better CPU's and perhaps a high end version of the 3080, I'm in the same boat.
 
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Overclocking can destroy ram stability which can cause all sorts of issues.
Which is EXACTLY why you should do ALL overclocking to the CPU before you do anything at all with memory. Memory operations affect CPU operations far more than CPU operations affect memory operations, when it comes to configuration outside established parameters. Even just at XMP settings for memory, it could drastically affect a CPU overclock. I always say, and so do most people, OC the CPU first IF that is what you are going to do, THEN worry about memory. Far easier to figure out where the problems are coming from if you do it that way.