Lynnfield benchmarks up

[archibael]

You should work in marketing then. At intel I'm assuming that would be a promotion.

You're very kind, but I have not yet attained the requisite amount of Evil. And I've always felt that after going through the effort to accumulate that much tarnish on your soul, you may as well run for public office.

 

[jennyh]

You're not all bad archi ^^

I realise i give you a hard time but you're my enemy...kind of. No hard feelings 😀

 

[jennyh]

(whips out poking stick)

Let's say I take a Phenom 940BE.

I leave the vcore at stock and simply increase the CPU multi to 17 and the IMC/NB multi to 12 ---- so that is 3.4GHz and 2400MHz NB.

I'm operating within thermal design, little impact on temps and the AMD base clock remains at 200MHz.

Have I really overclocked?

Am I running 4 cores at Turbo speed? (Well, since it's AMD I'll say I've gone SuperSonic mode :lol: or maybe Seismic - for 'earth shattering performance').

Inquiring minds want to know ....

If you have an AMD, yes you have overclocked. With an intel, no you haven't. It's kinda weird how it works out that way...but there is a reason for it I'm sure.

I'm still trying to figure out the difference as well, let me know if you discover anything to help out. 😀

 

[someguy7]

Yes you have really overclocked.

So with this backwards logic I assume that ALL overclocking in the past with stock volts is not really overclocking at all. So my 6420 running at 3ghz on stock volts with stock cooler is not an overclock.

If you're running the cpu above the speed its rated. ITS OVERCLOCKING. Its that simple.


So in your twisted head overclocking is only when you increase volts? Only when you exceed the rated power draw of the cpu?


If you took a Intel cpu and went into the BIOS and upped the multi. Upped the FSB. Upped the blk. Then you have overclocked. Turbo mode does none of the above. It runs at speeds/power/thermals officially supported by Intel. And when AMD does release a new cpu that can do this it will NOT BE OVERCLOCKING. If AMD actually came out with the feature 1st you would be praising them. No doubt about it.

Intel releases something and the fanboy trolls come out and try and redefine what overclocking is. And fail epically. Like the fool on amdzone that overclocked his cpu in the bios. Then runs overdrive and goes look. AMD has the feature. My cpu now clocks up over its rated speed. FACEPALM

Epic Fail once again.

 

[someguy7]

So this IS NOT a overclock.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2w1tv0w.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/vesrhw.jpg


Stock volts. Stock cooler. Speedstep enabled. I have turbo'd my core2. It now clocks up to 2.99ghz when under load. 2.2ghz at ilde. So I have a core2 with turbo enabled that is not overclocked. By your epic fail logic.


FAIL.

 

[obsidian86]

seems the i7 810-860 don't clock too well http://www.ripping.org/database.php?act=records

 

[someguy7]

seems the i7 810-860 don't clock too well http://www.ripping.org/database.php?act=records

INTEL Core i7 850 Lynnfield x4 1156 4783.37 79.38 1.55 coolaler L Air .

Seems good to me. But anyways leave the world record stuff out of it. What matters is what the retail chips will typically do on standard air coolers.

 

[MU_Engineer]

Why wouldn't you benchmark with Turbo enabled? It's a true product offering and it comes out of the box like that. I'd be interested to see what the numbers are with it off, but who is going to buy an i5 750 and turn turbo off?


It would be like me saying, "Ha, benchmarking an AMD processor with the HT link at stock frequency. What do YOU have to say about THAT!?!?!"

Ideally, you run each CPU as they are out of the box and leave any features turned on that increase performance The only reason you might want to turn Turbo Boost off is if it is buggy or if you want to reduce the thermal dissipation of the CPU under load. If I had an i5, I would want to turn off Turbo Boost as it apparently is very buggy under Linux. But I'd be pestering Intel or a kernel dev to identify the issue and get it working again. Turbo Boost can boost performance in some situations (and should never hurt performance), so of course I'd want it on and working.

Also I find that water cooling is now less popular then it was 5 years ago. It is not needed as much due to the fact that these cpus run so much cooler. I absolutely love the temps on the PII 710 machine I built . With stock cooler it would idle at 2-3 degrees C over room temp. My buddy has a 720 in a HTPC with the same results.


Water IMHO is a waste of money at this time for most rigs.

Water cooling is not as popular as it was five years ago as air cooling has gotten massively better. CPUs run as hot or hotter than they did five years ago, plus we can overclock today's CPUs much farther than older CPUs and further drive up the TDP budget. I remember when the first 120 mm tower heatsinks came out as they were a big deal. Now, if it doesn't weigh close to a kilogram, it's not even a high-end unit 😀

 

[Scotteq]

Thought the below might be helpful:

http://www.techterms.com/definition/overclocking

Overclocking involves increasing the clock speed of the computer's CPU past the rate at which it was originally designed to run.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/o/overclock.html

To run a microprocessor faster than the speed for which it has been tested and approved.

 

[kg4icg]

I have been trolling over at the zone, and have discovered that abinstien is probably the most deluded fan boy ever. I love how he says the a phenom I is absolutely equal to a penryn. lmao

http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=136697&sid=0c84fd85057623e4caf196c1c193cded&start=125

On that thread you posted, they went on a power trip on smyrgl, and edited out everything he said, which is why that whole thread makes no sense anymore if you read it. Basically when it doesn't fit there template, they delete you and the words you say except for what has been put in quotes by someone else. Basically smyrgl threw logic toward them, and they threw insults right back at him, and he didn't fall for it, so they deleted what they could.

 

[MU_Engineer]

Yeah, I think we're mostly in agreement that Intel isn't overclocking the Nehalems as they ship from the factory that way.



So you got your signature changed too, huh? They sacked the avatar I used to replace the upside-down Jayhawk I used for forever. Apparently a certain president with a cigarette in his mouth edited to look like four cigarettes and the caption "President of FLAVOR COUNTRY!" was offensive to somebody and it got removed. The Pentium III ought to only be offensive to environmentalists as it is not lead-free 😀

 

[dna708]

http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3639

New review Anand that I find, other than the wording, pretty unbiased. He overclocks both the pII and the i5 to 3.8 w/o turbo and ups the HT on the pII to match the bandwidth (I think?). He also has benchmarks of a few of the i7 CPUs oc'ed, not oc'ed, turbo, no turbo, ht on and off. I see as basically like this:

@ 3.8ghz, i5 wins at almost all applications, stays even with the 965 in gaming with a 4890 and loses to the 965 with a GTX 275

@ stock w/o turbo, the i5 either ties or loses by a pretty large margin and it clearly stands at a very noticeable loss

@ complete stock (w/ turbo) the i5 has a slight advantage in apps and ties with a 4890 while losing with a GTX 275 in gaming

So... at the same clock the i5 is clearly better in apps while strangely losing (by quite a bit) in gaming only with an NVIDIA GPU.

 

[Guest]

Honestly I've always been an Intel fan but have decided to go with the 965 BE. Not because its better, but theres more support and we all know how buggy intel's new technology is at launch sometimes. The i5/i7 is obviously a better setup for any sort of rendering and i give credit where credit is due, but for the price and from what i see from benchmarks the 965 is going to keep my framerates where i want them while gaming. Not to mention as stated before the motherboard and cpu support from intel for multiple gpu's isnt as strong as it should be. I'll be able to offer more when i finish my latest built though and do some benchmarks of my own.