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Wow I hope this isn't a showing that most toms hardware readers are actually derpers? To answer almost every question posed so far this is a product targeting the hardcore workstation, not you or any basic consumer. Every comment so far stated before I wrote this has been by people who have no idea how this PC works, or details about the tech inside.

If you people are what a techie is today then I'm out, because I don't want to be associated with people who don't bother to actually learn the tech. The biggest irony is that you people are the people you are making fun of. You are the kind of people who bought Intel when Amd was the best, and then you bought Amd when core 2 duo came out, because you didn't bother to know the tech.

I honestly wish the comments section would just disappear entirely, I know I could just not read the filth spewing forth from it but, it's too hard not to look and it burns the eyes.

Die Trolls Die just Die Dammit.
 
Wow I hope this isn't a showing that most toms hardware readers are actually derpers? To answer almost every question posed so far this is a product targeting the hardcore workstation, not you or any basic consumer. Every comment so far stated before I wrote this has been by people who have no idea how this PC works, or details about the tech inside.

If you people are what a techie is today then I'm out, because I don't want to be associated with people who don't bother to actually learn the tech. The biggest irony is that you people are the people you are making fun of. You are the kind of people who bought Intel when Amd was the best, and then you bought Amd when core 2 duo came out, because you didn't bother to know the tech.

I honestly wish the comments section would just disappear entirely, I know I could just not read the filth spewing forth from it but, it's too hard not to look and it burns the eyes.

Die Trolls Die just Die Dammit.
 
Why buy this? You can build your own and then put Mavericks on it. I don't get apple people if its thenOS that's so good just use that. Why pay way more for way less
 
Dumb people usually post without a point. Make yours and people will respect you.
Most readers here know value. They add up the numbers with Apple products and find they are not even close to giving good value. So they slice and dice Apple as soon as they clutter the marketplace with more of their overpriced goods (and I use the word "goods" in as loose a way possible).
Ever gone to Apple forums? Its like reading posts from people with a computer hardware disability. Ever read Apple magazines? Its so behind the rest of the world. Stories for simpletons. Ever sold hardware to Apple users? They are the most ignorant on the planet when it comes to basic hardware. They, as a group, are ambivalent to value, clueless to function, driven by mindless emotion and marketing. Mentally, they are the bottom rung. These are people with a technological handicap. Pity them. Fools and their money are soon parted. And Apple has been parting for quite a while. Their prey are those most vulnerable to slick marketing. Marketing with little depth, competition or value. If you're an Apple computer enthusiast, it says volumes about your level of discernment in this market.
 


Well, let's be honest. It could win an aesthetic design award, but we'll have to wait and see if the form hinders the function. What other awards could it be in the running for? It's hard to take an Apple product seriously, and the comments reflect that. Maybe try reading them with a different 'tone'. 😉

To some other comment up there...
iPods' initial success was purely marketing, and not about a quality product. Best Buy is just one retailer that was spending more money sending failed units in for service, and shipping them back to their owners, than they were making in profit, by millions. Apple left absolutely no wiggle room on the price for retailers. They understood that customers wanted them, and retailers would stock the product just to get people in the door. That's why the annoying little blue shirts would hound you to death to buy subscriptions and accessories.
 
The 3k version comes with an e5 xeon 1620 v2 processor. That is a 300 dollar processor roughly equal to an i7 3770k. THe d300 is about the same as an AMD w7000 which is about the same as an nvidia GTX 480, that is 3 generations old. I'm not sure what anyone can do with only 256 gigs of space. A PCIE 256 gb SSD is roughly 400 dollars. A motherboard with Thunderbolt 2 is about $350 to 400 dollars. Add everything up and you get a $1600 dollar machine

It's literally double the price that it should be.
 
@Tom2u
I own many Macs. I also have a couple Dell servers, and my primary gaming machine is a custom built (by me) watercooled Intel 990x monster. When you are using an application that needs absolute stability you want the best tool for the job. In my vast experience, Mac is where it's at. I have a 17" MBP that I use for my entertainment career. Why? Because it never crashes! I've never had it skip a beat on me yet, and I've put it through hell. It's been into more night clubs than I can remember, all those nasty hard on computer environments. And I'm not a Fanboi by any stretch of the imagination. I run Mac, Linux, Solaris, and Windows at home.
 
"My point being they are paying far more than they should just to have the little Apple logo.

BTW, I don't play Battlefield 4. I'm a software engineer, not a gamer so I know a thing or two about relying on your computer to do actual work.

If you do actual work on your computer than you should know that the Apple logo isn't the only thing you are paying for:
- Mac OS X
- Single vendor for all your IT
- Central Support
- Large, stable company backing your infrastructure
- Some software may be OSX specific
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Price is just one consideration when investing in the computing platform upon which you run your business, and it is largely irrelevant since your customers will end up paying for it through their contracts anyway.

As a pro you should see the value proposition presented here.

Hey, you'd have to pry my Dell Precision Workstations out of my cold dead hands but I can see why Apple customers would pay for this upgrade.

BTW, sorry about the BF4 comment, that was out of line.

IB
 
To all those people talking about price, remember this thing uses server parts. The price itself in on par with similarly specked workstations. Whether this works or not for a particular customer, or course, depends. But this is not a gaming rig, and it's price shouldn't be compared to one.
 


You know, not everything is about the logo. Engineers has to be able to put such high performance parts in a compact space, that costs money. How many other companies do you see trying to make minimal designs? Apple was the first to make such a thin Macbook Pro while everything else was making huge hunking pieces of bricks that passed as laptops, and look now HP is copying their entire laptop line with their Envy line
 
why not just buy the apple case and buy the rest myself and just say i bought it from apple ? and by the way the price just gone out of the window
 
"are made using Mac software and computers."

Isn't that one of the age old slices of informational rubbish like 'If you go outside with wet hair you'll catch a cold'? I'm pretty sure that not EVERY single design house uses macs. A Cad colleague has stated that the EVERY single cad company she's worked for ALL had PCs. No macs. None
 
These articles always bring out the people that have zero concept of anything other than numbers. You guys do realize that this is all workstation/server class hardware, right? It's running a Xeon which is quite a bit more costly than your average i5 or i7 part, not to mention it requires ECC memory, uses PCI-E SSDs, workstation graphics cards, etc.

This isn't designed for gaming, it's designed for work. Comparing consumer grade stuff to workstation/server grade is ignorant at best. The motherboards are generally at least 3x the cost of the consumer part, unless you get those super high end consumer models for $400 or more.
 
Apple has ALWAYS build "artsy" machines. They have always been different from the mainstream offerings. I don't know why people are going nuts about that. It has always been that way and they have always been expensive. The first Mac I had (at work - I couldn't afford it) was for document design / editing, with a (then) special monitor for page design and cost well over $6000. This was in the late '80's / early 90's.

@darrinps I am a software engineer as well and I have paid for Apple computers (as well as built my own windows and linux boxes - we have 5 working computers in our house right now not counting tablets and phones) for the past 18 years and will probably continue to do so. They are solid machines, the OS is BSD-based, and while they cost more than the equivalent machines I can (and do) build, they look a LOT nicer.

I don't have a problem with spending more money for something that looks nice. I own a truck right now and paid for functionality - pure and simple, but in the past I've owned more expensive and nicer looking sport sedans... why? Did I NEED that to get to work? Hell no... I liked driving down I-95 at high speeds wrapped in leather listening to a growling engine and a surround sound stereo system.
 
Gotta love all the Apple fanboys jumping to the defense of apple as soon as a PC user says something sensible..."I just built an eight core 4.0Ghz machine with a better graphics card and more memory for about half of that" <--- Good on this guy
 


I don't know if you are referring to my post or not. I don't consider myself a "fanboy" of any particular product as my favorite OS is BeOS (which is really unusable for me - Haiku is showing promise but still not stable enough for me to dig into yet), I've had (but no longer) OS/2 machines and currently have one linux box, 3 Windows machines and one Mac.

I pretty much defend any computer manufacturer on whatever merits they might have based on hardware and software. I've also built (a few years back) a "hackintosh" for less money than a mac pro. But it was black and plastic and not nearly as "pretty" as the old Pro... but it performed well.

But I don't find your ad hominem labeling of "fan boy" a very good argument either way, neither does it dispute my argument that the prices of Apple products are a combination of aesthetics and software. Granted, aesthetics are often very subjective.
 


When someone says they value their computer, even partly, by its appearance, you just can't take much seriously from that point onward. A computer is a tool. Do you buy certain nails because they look better? How about a hammer? Just how fruity can you possibly be? Get your head out of your arty ass and get some work done. Produce, don't pontificate. Macs are truly designed for the people that have a shopping IQ in the single digits. Their sales are a testament to how dumbed down the modern consumer is. Now wonder our economy is in the toilet with most people amassing enormous levels of debt, thinking only of today, never tomorrow.
 


Absolutely. A shopper with more than 2 brain cells buys a computer by numbers. Its not a painting. Its a functional part of your life. It performs tasks. PC builders look at the numbers dryly, analytically. Apple buyers get emotional and because of their ignorance, defend their decisions with the silliest of excuses possible later when their investment is worth a sliver of its original cost.

To you Apple fanboys: Tell me the cost of a motherboard for any Mac computer. Admit it: Its HUGE. Often more than replacing the whole thing on the used market. If the motherboard in your PC dies its simple to replace. About $50 or less on the used market for most that are a few years old. How about when your precious LITTLE monitor in your iMac dies? Are they going to charge you market rates for its replacement? Didn't think so. They'll charge you about 3-5 times what you could buy a complete monitor replacement for of the same size. With Apple they only value you when you're buying their new products. Otherwise they would price older parts with some semblance of sanity. How did people get so stupid as to actually support such a ludicrous company?

 


I shouldn't feed the trolls of course... but I suppose you feel the same way about cars, motorcycles and other devices that we use day in, day out? What about your clothes? Your toothbrush? Toothpaste? I am sure you use salt or baking soda instead of toothpaste, right? You don't participate at all in consumerism? What about your calculator?

Since I am certain you are maybe 15-25 years of age I feel safe that my 30 years of engineering experience qualifies me to comment a little about balance of form and function.
 
I shouldn't reply to non-thinkers but I'll humor you, Tuishimi.

I'll pick apart everything you say and demonstrate you're not giving much thought here before posting.

> but I suppose you feel the same way about cars, motorcycles

You're equating a car or motorcycle, something we interact with in public all the time with a computer who we only interact with? They have nothing in common. Also, a car elicits a lot more physical interaction and emotion from the user than a computer.

> clothes?

I don't think anybody would consider clothes as tools. At least not the way 99% of the population uses them these days. Once again we wear them and interact with people. This has nothing in common with computers.

> Your toothbrush? Toothpaste? I am sure you use salt or baking soda instead of toothpaste, right?

I don't brush my teeth with anything except water and other natural things. Because I value my health. Toothpaste is packed with garbage. And you buy a toothbrush based on its appearance rather than how well it actually scrubs our teeth? How many Mac Pro's would you like?

> You don't participate at all in consumerism? What about your calculator?

Guess you forgot computers have great calculators built in. They dwarf the abilities of 99% of stand alone calculators. Who in the right mind would by a calculator for any reason other than its functionality?

If you're making some vain attempt at making a point, try to think a bit about it first before typing, OK?

Why are Apple users, as a group, so mindless when it comes to logical and pragmatic thinking? Tis a mystery.

The new Mac Pro is a joke. Its way overpriced for the performance it delivers. But all you have to do is house it differently (like a trash can for instance) and the Apple minions will swoon and slather as they shuffle in their Utopian reverie to their house of worship, the Apple Store, to partake once more in blind buying without a hint of rational reason. Whenever I need to sell off unused computer gear, its always the Apple people that ask me the dumbest questions; questions that just show they have no concept in the slightest of the realm of hardware - what to buy and why. Hence their coddling by Apple. Apple is like heroin for the shopper. Except withdrawl from Apple is much easier than heroin. All it takes is for you to start thinking.
 



I am done responding to you, man. Go try and irritate someone else, somewhere else.
 


Amen brother.

@Tom2u
It's obvious you're the typical douche magoo. Lots of Whisky Tango Rednecks go buy these big flashy trucks, and do all sorts of stupid things to them because they think they look cool. Why the truck? In most cases they use it for work, hence it's a tool. So why not just go buy (Hey Tom2u did you notice I spelled it correctly unlike you) your typical stock broke azz Ford F One Crappy and get your job done. (Yes, I do own an F-150 for hauling around my Dirtbikes, and other toys when I don't want to take my Motorhome which has the bike rack on it) I used to use one of my cars as a tool. It was great publicity, and generated a lot of interest/buzz when I showed up in it to events. People see a nice car, and instantly equate that to success. Marketing Tool. Who do you think people gravitated to the most. The super buff guy in the nice BMW or Mercedes, or the average looking guy in the Aston Martin. I can tell you from personal experience, it was the Aston 9 times out of 10. The 10th person was either a friend of the BMW guy, or didn't know cars. Go figure. People need, (love) to interact with their tools. People get a reaction when interacting with their tools. I'd much rather hammer on a roof with a pink hammer equiped with a hand grip over your typical wooden shaft hammer. Why? Because hammering nails for hours at a time gets a little hard on your hands. Yes, Macs are "artsy", yes Macs tend to be a bit more expensive. But tell me this. Can you go replace the motherboard out of one of them Dell computers with your standard Motherboard? No, not really. Why? Because they are propriatary just like the Apple ones. Get the cost of that Dell motherboard, and compare it to the Apple one. Not much difference.

Clothes? Can be a tool. Say you're trying to impress for that really big job you've always wanted. You want to look nice. You get nice tools (clothes) to help you get the job done. Want that super hot chick at the club to notice you. If you're not the dude in the booth spinnin' the music, chances are, if you're not dressed nice, you're not going to get noticed very well. Tools.

Calculators. Realestate Agents have specialized calculators that they take with them everywhere. They use the special functions and such to help them answer questions for consumers like (If I only put $80,000 down on the house and pay over 5 months at a 3.4% rate for 5 months, and then bump it up to the 5% for the rest of the term, how much will I save, over doing it such and such way) Haven't seen that calculator on a computer yet. I did have the app for iPhone though. (Android, BB, and WF didn't have it in their craptacular app stores when I was looking around for it) Tools (So I guess my example falls into the 1% margin you noted) I'd much rather walk around with my HP calculator than a laptop with the same calculator software running on it. Just my thought.

Laptops. I use my 17" MBP in my DJing career. Yes, it's a little bit on the heavy side for something I have to port around with me frequently, but it's solid. Rock solid. I've played shows with other DJs who use Windows laptops, and have had to "come to the rescue" when their Windows machine craps out in the middle of a set. My MBP has never ever let me down. When I first got my MBPs I got a pair of them. They were identical builds. Everything was mirrored to the other just in case. You're stupid as dirt if you don't have a backup in live situations. But I wound up selling one of them 1.5 years later because I NEVER had to use the redundant machine. And you know what? My resale value on it was awesome. In my day job, if I had the opportunity to stare at my monitors all day, and to the side see a fairly sleek looking "Trash Can" rather than the dull Dell box, I'd feel a bit happier. Interaction. Plus I'd know that they were professional grade components inside, not the standard Newegg i7, etc. Yes, there will be machines that guys can build cheaper that will out perform them, but how stable will they be? Will they be 99%+ uptime? Not likely. But there will be exceptions. I'm a Windows Administrator at a fairly big global company, and we deal with Dell and Apple for all of our computer hardware. Yes, the Dell section is substantially larger, but the ratio of problems / vendor is a huge landslide in Apple's favor. I recall only seeing 1 problem ticket regarding an Apple product in the last year and 3 months. Compare that to the 30 - 40 the help desk sees daily for the Dells in our fleet.

Bottom line. It's not the Braindead fanboi's who flock to Apple products. It's the people with the knowledge, and wisdom to NOT shelter themselves into their train of thought. I used to think Apple products sucked donkey butt. Then I tried one, then I bought 8, I love them. I still have my Windows (only used for gaming these days), Linux, Solaris, and VMware systems at home, and I love them all too. But when I have to perform live for a crowd, or have to run a computer system with as near 100% uptime, I'll stick to my proven Mac. And who was it that made mention of BeOS? I loved that OS! I really wish it caught on. Best error messages ever! -- I'm sorry, your computer does not appear to have a sound card installed. Therefore, I can't play cool music for you. Bummer (instead of OK)

Sorry for the novel, but Tom2u just riled me up with his gibberish, and obvious lack of wisdom. Go pet a burning dog or something.
 
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