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Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
macros here
Tnx
Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
macros here
Tnx
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Night Elf wrote:
> Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
> macros here
I don't know about macros but http://ui.worldofwar.net is the best
add-on site IMO. It does have some class specific add-ons too so you
should be able to find some mage ones.
steve.kaye
Night Elf wrote:
> Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
> macros here
I don't know about macros but http://ui.worldofwar.net is the best
add-on site IMO. It does have some class specific add-ons too so you
should be able to find some mage ones.
steve.kaye
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ahh in the first post you said you were a mage
that is why the confusion
what cpas lock?
ahh in the first post you said you were a mage
that is why the confusion
what cpas lock?
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#my first macro
/1 Thrall is in the Valley of Wisdom in Orgrimmar, behind the shaman
trainers.
#
#my first macro
/1 Thrall is in the Valley of Wisdom in Orgrimmar, behind the shaman
trainers.
#
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> #1:
> /yell Mobs on healer!
heh. I use /s since everyone is in range and white grabs attention more
than dark red.
Mine is:
/s Come see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being
repressed!
If the first one doesn't get anyone's attention, I spam the hell out of
it.
Regards,
Noal
> #1:
> /yell Mobs on healer!
heh. I use /s since everyone is in range and white grabs attention more
than dark red.
Mine is:
/s Come see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being
repressed!
If the first one doesn't get anyone's attention, I spam the hell out of
it.
Regards,
Noal
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King Arthur: Old woman.
Dennis: Man.
King Arthur: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
Dennis: I'm 37.
King Arthur: What?
Dennis: I'm 37. I'm not old.
King Arthur: Well I can't just call you "man".
Dennis: Well you could say "Dennis".
King Arthur: I didn't know you were called Dennis.
Dennis: Well you didn't bother to find out did you?
King Arthur: I did say sorry about the "old woman", but from behind you
looked...
Dennis: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an
inferior.
King Arthur: Well I am king.
Dennis: Oh, king eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, eh? By
exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma
which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.
King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest
shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water,
signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds
distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme
executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some
farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just
because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some
moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come see the violence inherent in the system. Help, help, I'm
being repressed.
Great movie. (Monty Python and the Holy Grail)
King Arthur: Old woman.
Dennis: Man.
King Arthur: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
Dennis: I'm 37.
King Arthur: What?
Dennis: I'm 37. I'm not old.
King Arthur: Well I can't just call you "man".
Dennis: Well you could say "Dennis".
King Arthur: I didn't know you were called Dennis.
Dennis: Well you didn't bother to find out did you?
King Arthur: I did say sorry about the "old woman", but from behind you
looked...
Dennis: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an
inferior.
King Arthur: Well I am king.
Dennis: Oh, king eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, eh? By
exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma
which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.
King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest
shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water,
signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds
distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme
executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some
farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just
because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some
moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come see the violence inherent in the system. Help, help, I'm
being repressed.
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> /assist [main tank]
> If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in instance groups.
Uh...if you're assisting MT instead of MA, you're going to have even
more trouble.
As a Druid, I've done MT, MA, OT & main healer in UBRS on down, so I'm
familiar with the roles & responsiblity of all three jobs.
As MT (main tank), I'm trying to keep as many mobs on me as possible,
so I'll switch targets and spam AoE effects frequently. This means that
if you focus your attacks on one of them, you're very likely to peel
them, forcing me to drop everything to pull that one back. However, I
may not be able to immediately tell that the MA didn't peel him and
you'll prolly get hit a few times before I get aggro back.
As MA (main assist), my job is to peel one mob at a time (usually the
most dangerous or the one closest to dying) from the MT and, along with
every one else, nuke it as soon as possible. Rogues & Tanks
(Warrior/Druid Bear/Paladins) do this job well since they can all take
1 vs 1 melee for at least a short time. If the MA is a rogue, it is
imperative that everyone be on the ball as they rely on their Dodge% to
survive and Dodge does not prevent crit melee strikes from landing.
(Frequency of taking crit melee strikes can only be lowered by cranking
up Defense skill.)
As OT (off tank), my job is to take mobs from the MT in order to
lighten the load, pull all mobs when the MT is about to melt, and catch
runners going after the casters & healers. Because Taunt & AoE Taunt
are required for this job (if it exists) a Warrior or Druid Bear should
fill this role.
As a healer, I should be using my mana primarily for healing. If things
are going well, I can toss around FF and DoTs as they are instant
casts. Rarely should I use non-healing spells with a casting time after
combat has begun because it can be difficult to switch gears in
mid-cast.
Now, in raid groups, someone should have designated the people to
assist in CT Raid, giving you a clickable window. You can use that in
lieu of a macro.
Regards,
Noal
> /assist [main tank]
> If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in instance groups.
Uh...if you're assisting MT instead of MA, you're going to have even
more trouble.
As a Druid, I've done MT, MA, OT & main healer in UBRS on down, so I'm
familiar with the roles & responsiblity of all three jobs.
As MT (main tank), I'm trying to keep as many mobs on me as possible,
so I'll switch targets and spam AoE effects frequently. This means that
if you focus your attacks on one of them, you're very likely to peel
them, forcing me to drop everything to pull that one back. However, I
may not be able to immediately tell that the MA didn't peel him and
you'll prolly get hit a few times before I get aggro back.
As MA (main assist), my job is to peel one mob at a time (usually the
most dangerous or the one closest to dying) from the MT and, along with
every one else, nuke it as soon as possible. Rogues & Tanks
(Warrior/Druid Bear/Paladins) do this job well since they can all take
1 vs 1 melee for at least a short time. If the MA is a rogue, it is
imperative that everyone be on the ball as they rely on their Dodge% to
survive and Dodge does not prevent crit melee strikes from landing.
(Frequency of taking crit melee strikes can only be lowered by cranking
up Defense skill.)
As OT (off tank), my job is to take mobs from the MT in order to
lighten the load, pull all mobs when the MT is about to melt, and catch
runners going after the casters & healers. Because Taunt & AoE Taunt
are required for this job (if it exists) a Warrior or Druid Bear should
fill this role.
As a healer, I should be using my mana primarily for healing. If things
are going well, I can toss around FF and DoTs as they are instant
casts. Rarely should I use non-healing spells with a casting time after
combat has begun because it can be difficult to switch gears in
mid-cast.
Now, in raid groups, someone should have designated the people to
assist in CT Raid, giving you a clickable window. You can use that in
lieu of a macro.
Regards,
Noal
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> And in raids, having a main assist doesn't necessarily mean the priest
> is having a better time. I'd rather heal like crazy people with AOE
> attacks and end up a tough fight in 30seconds than spamming flash
> heals for hours on the main tank together with a few other healers until
> all mobs are taken down... one... by... one...
>From the POV of a priest, that may well be true. You have a spammable
group heal. From a Druid POV, that would be insanity. Our group heal is
channeled and on a 10 minute timer. Druids have a much easier time
keeping one person alive than several people taking damage at once..and
since Druids with Innervate (which is more than 95% of lvl 60 Druids)
have a reserve tank of mana, we can keep going long after the Priest
goes OOM.
Now, from the tanking aspect of my character, I'd rather have everyone
follow the MA and not the MT because the MT's primary job is to keep
the battle under control. When the party isn't focused as a unit, then
control is impossible and mobs that are critical to be eliminated ASAP
(i.e., the Conjurers in BRS) get out of control and wipes happen. The
MA has a very important job in that he assists the MT in controlling
the battle by giving the DPS toons something to focus on. Priests (and
many Druids) that never do anything but heal may never understand that
since their primary focus is health bars and not the flow of a battle.
Anyone that has done both the job of Main Healer and Main Tank
understands that they have very different perspectives.
Regards,
Noal
> And in raids, having a main assist doesn't necessarily mean the priest
> is having a better time. I'd rather heal like crazy people with AOE
> attacks and end up a tough fight in 30seconds than spamming flash
> heals for hours on the main tank together with a few other healers until
> all mobs are taken down... one... by... one...
>From the POV of a priest, that may well be true. You have a spammable
group heal. From a Druid POV, that would be insanity. Our group heal is
channeled and on a 10 minute timer. Druids have a much easier time
keeping one person alive than several people taking damage at once..and
since Druids with Innervate (which is more than 95% of lvl 60 Druids)
have a reserve tank of mana, we can keep going long after the Priest
goes OOM.
Now, from the tanking aspect of my character, I'd rather have everyone
follow the MA and not the MT because the MT's primary job is to keep
the battle under control. When the party isn't focused as a unit, then
control is impossible and mobs that are critical to be eliminated ASAP
(i.e., the Conjurers in BRS) get out of control and wipes happen. The
MA has a very important job in that he assists the MT in controlling
the battle by giving the DPS toons something to focus on. Priests (and
many Druids) that never do anything but heal may never understand that
since their primary focus is health bars and not the flow of a battle.
Anyone that has done both the job of Main Healer and Main Tank
understands that they have very different perspectives.
Regards,
Noal
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Night Elf wrote:
> Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
> macros here
My Macros didn't work, until I added a newline character after the
macros yesterday. Like
##
/wink %t
##
I also discovered some handy bars you can turn on in one of the in-game
menus (Interface I think) as I was running out of icons (l12 warlock). I
now have my two pets and spells that affect them (like channel), in a
separate bar above the usual action bar.
You can type '/macro' of course to create your macros. I haven't found
any use for them beyond emotes yet though.. But they seem very useful
for this when you quickly have to react to someone or something (/oom is
one of my macros for example, I guess a Mage needs this ever more!).
Hth,
Thomas
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Night Elf wrote:
> Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
> macros here
My Macros didn't work, until I added a newline character after the
macros yesterday. Like
##
/wink %t
##
I also discovered some handy bars you can turn on in one of the in-game
menus (Interface I think) as I was running out of icons (l12 warlock). I
now have my two pets and spells that affect them (like channel), in a
separate bar above the usual action bar.
You can type '/macro' of course to create your macros. I haven't found
any use for them beyond emotes yet though.. But they seem very useful
for this when you quickly have to react to someone or something (/oom is
one of my macros for example, I guess a Mage needs this ever more!).
Hth,
Thomas
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Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
> Night Elf wrote:
>
>>>Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
>>>macros here
>
>
> My Macros didn't work, until I added a newline character after the
> macros yesterday. Like
> ##
> /wink %t
>
> ##
>
> I also discovered some handy bars you can turn on in one of the in-game
> menus (Interface I think) as I was running out of icons (l12 warlock). I
> now have my two pets and spells that affect them (like channel), in a
> separate bar above the usual action bar.
>
> You can type '/macro' of course to create your macros. I haven't found
> any use for them beyond emotes yet though.. But they seem very useful
> for this when you quickly have to react to someone or something (/oom is
> one of my macros for example, I guess a Mage needs this ever more!).
/assist [main tank]
If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in instance groups.
Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
> Night Elf wrote:
>
>>>Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
>>>macros here
>
>
> My Macros didn't work, until I added a newline character after the
> macros yesterday. Like
> ##
> /wink %t
>
> ##
>
> I also discovered some handy bars you can turn on in one of the in-game
> menus (Interface I think) as I was running out of icons (l12 warlock). I
> now have my two pets and spells that affect them (like channel), in a
> separate bar above the usual action bar.
>
> You can type '/macro' of course to create your macros. I haven't found
> any use for them beyond emotes yet though.. But they seem very useful
> for this when you quickly have to react to someone or something (/oom is
> one of my macros for example, I guess a Mage needs this ever more!).
/assist [main tank]
If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in instance groups.
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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> You can type '/macro' of course to create your macros. I haven't found
> any use for them beyond emotes yet though.. But they seem very useful
> for this when you quickly have to react to someone or something (/oom is
> one of my macros for example, I guess a Mage needs this ever more!).
#1:
/yell Mobs on healer!
#2:
/yell Still mobs on healer!
#3:
/p Healer is dead..
Chris (guess I should set up #2/3 some day)
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Lonewalker - Striding Tauren (15) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jazrah - Brutal Troll (16) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jivarr - Charming Troll (12) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> You can type '/macro' of course to create your macros. I haven't found
> any use for them beyond emotes yet though.. But they seem very useful
> for this when you quickly have to react to someone or something (/oom is
> one of my macros for example, I guess a Mage needs this ever more!).
#1:
/yell Mobs on healer!
#2:
/yell Still mobs on healer!
#3:
/p Healer is dead..
Chris (guess I should set up #2/3 some day)
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Lonewalker - Striding Tauren (15) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jazrah - Brutal Troll (16) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jivarr - Charming Troll (12) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
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John Burton wrote:
<s>
> /assist [main tank]
> If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in
> instance groups.
I looked it up on the internet and that sounds like a very useful macro
indeed. I will add it to my repertoire next time I enter Azeroth.
Now I just wait for my party to attack a certain mob, and when I am sure
which one they attacked I join in. Not much fun with a Mage because that
means the target is nearly dead anyhow by the time I cast my first DoT
spell.
Does this keep functioning if the main tank uses [Tab] to select enemy
targets?
It is also a lot like 'F' I guess. (but I haven't used that command yet)
Thomas
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John Burton wrote:
<s>
> /assist [main tank]
> If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in
> instance groups.
I looked it up on the internet and that sounds like a very useful macro
indeed. I will add it to my repertoire next time I enter Azeroth.
Now I just wait for my party to attack a certain mob, and when I am sure
which one they attacked I join in. Not much fun with a Mage because that
means the target is nearly dead anyhow by the time I cast my first DoT
spell.
Does this keep functioning if the main tank uses [Tab] to select enemy
targets?
It is also a lot like 'F' I guess. (but I haven't used that command yet)
Thomas
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I foun this untill now
Polymorph Macro
Description: Announces the gender of the target, as well as their level.
script if UnitSex("target") == 1 then SendChatMessage("Sheeping Female " ..
UnitLevel("target") .. " %t","say") else SendChatMessage("Sheeping Male " ..
UnitLevel("target") .. " %t", "say"); end
/cast Polymorph(Rank 4)
ClearTarget() ovo probat postelat
Counter-Spell
Description: It will cancel whichever spell is casting and cast
counter-spell. Works GREAT in PVP.
/script SpellStopCasting()
/script CastSpellByName("counterspell")
ASSIST MACRO
/assist %t
/script AttackTarget();
MACRO SCRIPT:
/target YourNameHere
/script UseContainerItem(Bag#, Item#);
/script TargetLastEnemy();
My macro example:
/target Sylver
/script UseContainerItem(0, 3);
/script TargetLastEnemy();
UseContainerItem is set for packslot, itemslot. 0 is the backback, they
count 0 to 4 RIGHT to LEFT. Slots inside the bag count 1 to X left to right
where X is the size of bag. 6 slot goes 1 to 6 for instance.
[ post edited by Domandred ]
I foun this untill now
Polymorph Macro
Description: Announces the gender of the target, as well as their level.
script if UnitSex("target") == 1 then SendChatMessage("Sheeping Female " ..
UnitLevel("target") .. " %t","say") else SendChatMessage("Sheeping Male " ..
UnitLevel("target") .. " %t", "say"); end
/cast Polymorph(Rank 4)
ClearTarget() ovo probat postelat
Counter-Spell
Description: It will cancel whichever spell is casting and cast
counter-spell. Works GREAT in PVP.
/script SpellStopCasting()
/script CastSpellByName("counterspell")
ASSIST MACRO
/assist %t
/script AttackTarget();
MACRO SCRIPT:
/target YourNameHere
/script UseContainerItem(Bag#, Item#);
/script TargetLastEnemy();
My macro example:
/target Sylver
/script UseContainerItem(0, 3);
/script TargetLastEnemy();
UseContainerItem is set for packslot, itemslot. 0 is the backback, they
count 0 to 4 RIGHT to LEFT. Slots inside the bag count 1 to X left to right
where X is the size of bag. 6 slot goes 1 to 6 for instance.
[ post edited by Domandred ]
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Optional wrote:
> ahh in the first post you said you were a mage
> that is why the confusion
The OP was indeed a Mage.
> what cpas lock?
lol!
Thomas
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Optional wrote:
> ahh in the first post you said you were a mage
> that is why the confusion
The OP was indeed a Mage.
> what cpas lock?
lol!
Thomas
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One of my all-time favorite movies. Life of Brian is another. Have both
DVDs and still not bored with them.
"Noal McDonald" <dharzhak@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1122048253.128012.249700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> #1:
>> /yell Mobs on healer!
>
> heh. I use /s since everyone is in range and white grabs attention more
> than dark red.
>
> Mine is:
>
> /s Come see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being
> repressed!
>
> If the first one doesn't get anyone's attention, I spam the hell out of
> it.
>
> Regards,
> Noal
>
One of my all-time favorite movies. Life of Brian is another. Have both
DVDs and still not bored with them.
"Noal McDonald" <dharzhak@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>> #1:
>> /yell Mobs on healer!
>
> heh. I use /s since everyone is in range and white grabs attention more
> than dark red.
>
> Mine is:
>
> /s Come see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being
> repressed!
>
> If the first one doesn't get anyone's attention, I spam the hell out of
> it.
>
> Regards,
> Noal
>
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Noal McDonald wrote:
>>/assist [main tank]
>>If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in instance groups.
>
>
> Uh...if you're assisting MT instead of MA, you're going to have even
> more trouble.
Ah well yeah the point is to focus on one mob so that agro can be controlled
and the healer doesn't end up either getting the mobs on him or else having to
heal everyone at the same time. That's all I meant...
Noal McDonald wrote:
>>/assist [main tank]
>>If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in instance groups.
>
>
> Uh...if you're assisting MT instead of MA, you're going to have even
> more trouble.
Ah well yeah the point is to focus on one mob so that agro can be controlled
and the healer doesn't end up either getting the mobs on him or else having to
heal everyone at the same time. That's all I meant...
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John Burton wrote:
> Noal McDonald wrote:
>
>>> /assist [main tank]
>>> If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in
>>> instance groups.
>>
>>
>>
>> Uh...if you're assisting MT instead of MA, you're going to have even
>> more trouble.
>
>
> Ah well yeah the point is to focus on one mob so that agro can be
> controlled and the healer doesn't end up either getting the mobs on him
> or else having to heal everyone at the same time. That's all I meant...
Frankly, in groups, having a main assist is practically pointless.
And in raids, having a main assist doesn't necessarily mean the priest
is having a better time. I'd rather heal like crazy people with AOE
attacks and end up a tough fight in 30seconds than spamming flash heals
for hours on the main tank together with a few other healers until all
mobs are taken down... one... by... one...
I'd rather have dots be cast on every mobs at once, off-tanks cleaving
and whirlwinding instead of mortal striking, mages channelling blizzard
instead of arcane missiles and fireballs.
But that's probably just me, a bored level 60 holy priest who spends his
time in raids wanding unpulled mobs and holynova-ing sapped mobs because
the others aren't aware that they are too strong for the opposition already.
John Burton wrote:
> Noal McDonald wrote:
>
>>> /assist [main tank]
>>> If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in
>>> instance groups.
>>
>>
>>
>> Uh...if you're assisting MT instead of MA, you're going to have even
>> more trouble.
>
>
> Ah well yeah the point is to focus on one mob so that agro can be
> controlled and the healer doesn't end up either getting the mobs on him
> or else having to heal everyone at the same time. That's all I meant...
Frankly, in groups, having a main assist is practically pointless.
And in raids, having a main assist doesn't necessarily mean the priest
is having a better time. I'd rather heal like crazy people with AOE
attacks and end up a tough fight in 30seconds than spamming flash heals
for hours on the main tank together with a few other healers until all
mobs are taken down... one... by... one...
I'd rather have dots be cast on every mobs at once, off-tanks cleaving
and whirlwinding instead of mortal striking, mages channelling blizzard
instead of arcane missiles and fireballs.
But that's probably just me, a bored level 60 holy priest who spends his
time in raids wanding unpulled mobs and holynova-ing sapped mobs because
the others aren't aware that they are too strong for the opposition already.
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Noal McDonald wrote:
>>And in raids, having a main assist doesn't necessarily mean the priest
>>is having a better time. I'd rather heal like crazy people with AOE
>>attacks and end up a tough fight in 30seconds than spamming flash
>>heals for hours on the main tank together with a few other healers until
>>all mobs are taken down... one... by... one...
>
>
>>From the POV of a priest, that may well be true. You have a spammable
> group heal. From a Druid POV, that would be insanity. Our group heal is
> channeled and on a 10 minute timer. Druids have a much easier time
> keeping one person alive than several people taking damage at once..and
> since Druids with Innervate (which is more than 95% of lvl 60 Druids)
> have a reserve tank of mana, we can keep going long after the Priest
> goes OOM.
>
> Now, from the tanking aspect of my character, I'd rather have everyone
> follow the MA and not the MT because the MT's primary job is to keep
> the battle under control. When the party isn't focused as a unit, then
> control is impossible and mobs that are critical to be eliminated ASAP
> (i.e., the Conjurers in BRS) get out of control and wipes happen. The
> MA has a very important job in that he assists the MT in controlling
> the battle by giving the DPS toons something to focus on. Priests (and
> many Druids) that never do anything but heal may never understand that
> since their primary focus is health bars and not the flow of a battle.
>
> Anyone that has done both the job of Main Healer and Main Tank
> understands that they have very different perspectives.
>
> Regards,
> Noal
>
....and it's true for every job, indeed. I can see what happens clearly
in a group and can even give orders there. But in a raid, it becomes too
confusing, mainly because of the taurens, and of the CT_raidassist
icons. What I do see, follow, and target on the screen rather than the
raidassist in most situations, are the mages, warlocks, and strangely
enough, the rogues, the latter for a reason I can't explain.
It must be a lot of fun to play druids in different roles in instances.
I've played up to the 30s both a warrior, a hunter and a shaman, and I
must say that priests are, well, a bit out of the action to be honest,
and the main reason why I keep speccing to get holy nova is simply
because once every 30 seconds I get to join the fray at hardly any cost,
with hardly any risk.
What I can clearly see though is how good we are going, depending on the
amount of heals I provide. The less people I heal, the slower we are,
the more mana I waste healing the tank. As awkward as it can be, if the
tank is the only one to take damage,then I consider the group to be
slow. The tank should take most of the damage, but if nobody else gets
harmed, then we're globally killing at necessarily less than 15 times
the tank's aggroing power divided between all mobs (for example, in a 15
man raid). Which is bad. It's a boss killing speed, not a mundane
encounter killing speed. Not to mention multiple healers, who can
compliment each other well, for example as you said, a druid on a single
target and a priest protecting everyone else and helping the druid when
deemed necessary.
....and lastly: use your innervate on a priest in dire situations. As
good a healer as you can be, they benefit more from it. You can always
morph and provide tanking/damaging support.
OR BETTER YET:
innervate yourself, have the priest die one way or another, triggering
spirit of redemption, and cast a combat rez on him.
Noal McDonald wrote:
>>And in raids, having a main assist doesn't necessarily mean the priest
>>is having a better time. I'd rather heal like crazy people with AOE
>>attacks and end up a tough fight in 30seconds than spamming flash
>>heals for hours on the main tank together with a few other healers until
>>all mobs are taken down... one... by... one...
>
>
>>From the POV of a priest, that may well be true. You have a spammable
> group heal. From a Druid POV, that would be insanity. Our group heal is
> channeled and on a 10 minute timer. Druids have a much easier time
> keeping one person alive than several people taking damage at once..and
> since Druids with Innervate (which is more than 95% of lvl 60 Druids)
> have a reserve tank of mana, we can keep going long after the Priest
> goes OOM.
>
> Now, from the tanking aspect of my character, I'd rather have everyone
> follow the MA and not the MT because the MT's primary job is to keep
> the battle under control. When the party isn't focused as a unit, then
> control is impossible and mobs that are critical to be eliminated ASAP
> (i.e., the Conjurers in BRS) get out of control and wipes happen. The
> MA has a very important job in that he assists the MT in controlling
> the battle by giving the DPS toons something to focus on. Priests (and
> many Druids) that never do anything but heal may never understand that
> since their primary focus is health bars and not the flow of a battle.
>
> Anyone that has done both the job of Main Healer and Main Tank
> understands that they have very different perspectives.
>
> Regards,
> Noal
>
....and it's true for every job, indeed. I can see what happens clearly
in a group and can even give orders there. But in a raid, it becomes too
confusing, mainly because of the taurens, and of the CT_raidassist
icons. What I do see, follow, and target on the screen rather than the
raidassist in most situations, are the mages, warlocks, and strangely
enough, the rogues, the latter for a reason I can't explain.
It must be a lot of fun to play druids in different roles in instances.
I've played up to the 30s both a warrior, a hunter and a shaman, and I
must say that priests are, well, a bit out of the action to be honest,
and the main reason why I keep speccing to get holy nova is simply
because once every 30 seconds I get to join the fray at hardly any cost,
with hardly any risk.
What I can clearly see though is how good we are going, depending on the
amount of heals I provide. The less people I heal, the slower we are,
the more mana I waste healing the tank. As awkward as it can be, if the
tank is the only one to take damage,then I consider the group to be
slow. The tank should take most of the damage, but if nobody else gets
harmed, then we're globally killing at necessarily less than 15 times
the tank's aggroing power divided between all mobs (for example, in a 15
man raid). Which is bad. It's a boss killing speed, not a mundane
encounter killing speed. Not to mention multiple healers, who can
compliment each other well, for example as you said, a druid on a single
target and a priest protecting everyone else and helping the druid when
deemed necessary.
....and lastly: use your innervate on a priest in dire situations. As
good a healer as you can be, they benefit more from it. You can always
morph and provide tanking/damaging support.
OR BETTER YET:
innervate yourself, have the priest die one way or another, triggering
spirit of redemption, and cast a combat rez on him.
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On 22 Jul 2005 08:33:35 -0700, "Babe Bridou" <babebridou@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>#my first macro
>/1 Thrall is in the Valley of Wisdom in Orgrimmar, behind the shaman
>trainers.
>
Spoilsport... 😎
Cheers - Ian
On 22 Jul 2005 08:33:35 -0700, "Babe Bridou" <babebridou@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>#my first macro
>/1 Thrall is in the Valley of Wisdom in Orgrimmar, behind the shaman
>trainers.
>
Spoilsport... 😎
Cheers - Ian
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:50:08 +0100, John Burton
<john.burton@jbmail.com> wrote:
>Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
>> Night Elf wrote:
>>
>>>>Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
>>>>macros here
>>
>>
>> My Macros didn't work, until I added a newline character after the
>> macros yesterday. Like
>> ##
>> /wink %t
>>
>> ##
>>
>> I also discovered some handy bars you can turn on in one of the in-game
>> menus (Interface I think) as I was running out of icons (l12 warlock). I
>> now have my two pets and spells that affect them (like channel), in a
>> separate bar above the usual action bar.
>>
>> You can type '/macro' of course to create your macros. I haven't found
>> any use for them beyond emotes yet though.. But they seem very useful
>> for this when you quickly have to react to someone or something (/oom is
>> one of my macros for example, I guess a Mage needs this ever more!).
>
>/assist [main tank]
>If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in instance groups.
Close, but wrong party member, unless the party mix means it's the
only option.
If you have a good class mix, you DON'Tnormally assist the guy
normally termed "Main Tank" - their job is to gain and hold aggro, not
to kill. You assist the SECOND guy ("Main Assist"), whose job IS to
kill - or at least to pick the next target to die. That way everyone
hits the same mob, and they get taken out one at a time, FAST.
The whole reason for a Main Tank is to keep the attention of all the
mobs until it's their turn to die. As such, if he's good at this job,
he'll be changing targets all the time to keep them angry and focused.
Not the sort of guy to pick a target off. You'll almost certainly end
up on a different one to everyone else, and if you're unlucky, you'll
aggro it on to yourself as well. Not good tactics.
BUT: Everyone should have an "Assist" macro on their action bar. If
they have, and they're all be set to the same party member, and people
use them (three big "if"s) that's a LOT better than nothing.
Cheers - Ian
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:50:08 +0100, John Burton
<john.burton@jbmail.com> wrote:
>Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
>> Night Elf wrote:
>>
>>>>Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
>>>>macros here
>>
>>
>> My Macros didn't work, until I added a newline character after the
>> macros yesterday. Like
>> ##
>> /wink %t
>>
>> ##
>>
>> I also discovered some handy bars you can turn on in one of the in-game
>> menus (Interface I think) as I was running out of icons (l12 warlock). I
>> now have my two pets and spells that affect them (like channel), in a
>> separate bar above the usual action bar.
>>
>> You can type '/macro' of course to create your macros. I haven't found
>> any use for them beyond emotes yet though.. But they seem very useful
>> for this when you quickly have to react to someone or something (/oom is
>> one of my macros for example, I guess a Mage needs this ever more!).
>
>/assist [main tank]
>If you don't have that on a hotkey you're going to have trouble in instance groups.
Close, but wrong party member, unless the party mix means it's the
only option.
If you have a good class mix, you DON'Tnormally assist the guy
normally termed "Main Tank" - their job is to gain and hold aggro, not
to kill. You assist the SECOND guy ("Main Assist"), whose job IS to
kill - or at least to pick the next target to die. That way everyone
hits the same mob, and they get taken out one at a time, FAST.
The whole reason for a Main Tank is to keep the attention of all the
mobs until it's their turn to die. As such, if he's good at this job,
he'll be changing targets all the time to keep them angry and focused.
Not the sort of guy to pick a target off. You'll almost certainly end
up on a different one to everyone else, and if you're unlucky, you'll
aggro it on to yourself as well. Not good tactics.
BUT: Everyone should have an "Assist" macro on their action bar. If
they have, and they're all be set to the same party member, and people
use them (three big "if"s) that's a LOT better than nothing.
Cheers - Ian
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"Noal McDonald" <dharzhak@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Druids are the 2nd best healers in the game. Nobody can reasonably
> argue that. What's not commonly known is that, with proper gear & 11-16
> points in the Feral Talent tree (which still gives you access to
> Innervate), they're the 2nd best tank in the game as well.
Agreed. That's why I've chosen resto/feral, and boy am I happy with that.
(http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?229693)
I have the impression that after the 15-point talents (actually, fairie
fire bear) there's nothing to go for in the feral tree.
Feral charge and FF bear are crucial for feral druids, but the rest is
just a nice to have and not worth giving up innervate.
The feral tree needs some love /shy.
> Paladins are
> actually 3rd. There are two main reasons why a Druid tank isn't better
> than a warrior...and, surprisingly, they're not Parry & Block.
I remember a time when you said it WAS parry & block 😱).
> First reason is aggro management.
Agreed. That's why I insinst of single target combat. I did SM/cathedral
this weekend with Xennies (our sicktrigger happy AoE mage, Babe should
really play with this guy regularly because he would LOVE him). We had a
level 35 (or 34) shaman with us.
First, Xennies tried AoE while I tanked and the shaman healed.
Didn't work, because I wasn't able to hold aggro on more than one mobs
and the low level shaman couldn't heal the mage fast enough.
I switched to healer gear then, and it kinda worked when he went AoE
crazy while I healed like hell.
For a level appropriate instance, such as BRD, I guess this tactic
would require:
- 2 AoE mages with a shitload of DPS
- 2 dedicated healers, both of them dedicated to one of the mages
- 1 5th guy for standing around and being decorative
I agree that this is one of the fastest ways to clear an instance,
but:
- One bad pull will most likely kill you
- One add will most likely kill you
- One major lag spike will most likely kill you
And I guess we all know what happens in our minds when clearing
a bunch of 5 elites in lesse than 30 secs: We feel so damn great
we'll definitely mess the next fight because we feel we were
undestroyable.
> Second, there's not enough leather gear with +Defense. The Defense
> skill affects Dodge, Parry, Block and, most importantly, the chance of
> getting hit with Crit & Crushing Blow strikes.
Just a quick question: Have you actually ever searched for +Def gear?
I didn't, but I'm having the impression all druids cry out for armor,
noone looks after +Def and +Def items are just ... unknown.
>>You can always morph and provide tanking/damaging support.
>
> That's actually a pretty big fallacy for several reasons.
Agreed. In my healer gear with bear form, I'm armored like a shaman
and do damage like a paladin :-/
I'd be of more use if I just ran around bandaging people.
>> innervate yourself, have the priest die one way or another, triggering
>> spirit of redemption, and cast a combat rez on him.
>
> When you need multiple rezzes and time to spare, absolutely. But with
> battle rez on a 30 minute timer, it better be needed. But you're
> largely correct. Rez the priest, the priest rezzes someone else. That
> often is the case in Onyxia runs. However, sometimes you need the mage
> back and you need them NOW, like a Father Flame run that's been handled
> very poorly.
To be honest, the only time I used battle res until now were 2 UBRS
runs. Most of the time, it was one of the tanks who was dead. Battle
res is very situational too. My ideas to decide who to res (if for
example a tank, a priest and a mage did fall) are quite simple:
1st) Is there enough tanking power alive? If not, I'll res the tank.
The reason is quite simple again: I've seen a warrior and a
rogue lasting for over 30 seconds in a boss fight, while the
other 13 members of a raid were dead. I've never seen a priest
or a mage standing that long alone.
2nd) Is there enough healing power alive (= cumulated mana of all
healers)? If not, I'll res the priest. Simple reason again:
A ressed mage is of no use when the other raid members fall
before he can convert his mana pool into pain.
Chris
--
[WoW] Wildcard - Treehugging Tauren (58) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Lonewalker - Striding Tauren (15) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jazrah - Brutal Troll (16) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jivarr - Charming Troll (12) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
"Noal McDonald" <dharzhak@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Druids are the 2nd best healers in the game. Nobody can reasonably
> argue that. What's not commonly known is that, with proper gear & 11-16
> points in the Feral Talent tree (which still gives you access to
> Innervate), they're the 2nd best tank in the game as well.
Agreed. That's why I've chosen resto/feral, and boy am I happy with that.
(http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?229693)
I have the impression that after the 15-point talents (actually, fairie
fire bear) there's nothing to go for in the feral tree.
Feral charge and FF bear are crucial for feral druids, but the rest is
just a nice to have and not worth giving up innervate.
The feral tree needs some love /shy.
> Paladins are
> actually 3rd. There are two main reasons why a Druid tank isn't better
> than a warrior...and, surprisingly, they're not Parry & Block.
I remember a time when you said it WAS parry & block 😱).
> First reason is aggro management.
Agreed. That's why I insinst of single target combat. I did SM/cathedral
this weekend with Xennies (our sicktrigger happy AoE mage, Babe should
really play with this guy regularly because he would LOVE him). We had a
level 35 (or 34) shaman with us.
First, Xennies tried AoE while I tanked and the shaman healed.
Didn't work, because I wasn't able to hold aggro on more than one mobs
and the low level shaman couldn't heal the mage fast enough.
I switched to healer gear then, and it kinda worked when he went AoE
crazy while I healed like hell.
For a level appropriate instance, such as BRD, I guess this tactic
would require:
- 2 AoE mages with a shitload of DPS
- 2 dedicated healers, both of them dedicated to one of the mages
- 1 5th guy for standing around and being decorative
I agree that this is one of the fastest ways to clear an instance,
but:
- One bad pull will most likely kill you
- One add will most likely kill you
- One major lag spike will most likely kill you
And I guess we all know what happens in our minds when clearing
a bunch of 5 elites in lesse than 30 secs: We feel so damn great
we'll definitely mess the next fight because we feel we were
undestroyable.
> Second, there's not enough leather gear with +Defense. The Defense
> skill affects Dodge, Parry, Block and, most importantly, the chance of
> getting hit with Crit & Crushing Blow strikes.
Just a quick question: Have you actually ever searched for +Def gear?
I didn't, but I'm having the impression all druids cry out for armor,
noone looks after +Def and +Def items are just ... unknown.
>>You can always morph and provide tanking/damaging support.
>
> That's actually a pretty big fallacy for several reasons.
Agreed. In my healer gear with bear form, I'm armored like a shaman
and do damage like a paladin :-/
I'd be of more use if I just ran around bandaging people.
>> innervate yourself, have the priest die one way or another, triggering
>> spirit of redemption, and cast a combat rez on him.
>
> When you need multiple rezzes and time to spare, absolutely. But with
> battle rez on a 30 minute timer, it better be needed. But you're
> largely correct. Rez the priest, the priest rezzes someone else. That
> often is the case in Onyxia runs. However, sometimes you need the mage
> back and you need them NOW, like a Father Flame run that's been handled
> very poorly.
To be honest, the only time I used battle res until now were 2 UBRS
runs. Most of the time, it was one of the tanks who was dead. Battle
res is very situational too. My ideas to decide who to res (if for
example a tank, a priest and a mage did fall) are quite simple:
1st) Is there enough tanking power alive? If not, I'll res the tank.
The reason is quite simple again: I've seen a warrior and a
rogue lasting for over 30 seconds in a boss fight, while the
other 13 members of a raid were dead. I've never seen a priest
or a mage standing that long alone.
2nd) Is there enough healing power alive (= cumulated mana of all
healers)? If not, I'll res the priest. Simple reason again:
A ressed mage is of no use when the other raid members fall
before he can convert his mana pool into pain.
Chris
--
[WoW] Wildcard - Treehugging Tauren (58) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Lonewalker - Striding Tauren (15) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jazrah - Brutal Troll (16) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
Jivarr - Charming Troll (12) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:57:06 +0200, I needed a babel fish to
understand "Night Elf" <email@hotmail.com> :
>Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
>macros here
>Tnx
>
http://www.wowmacros.com/
good luck... lots of good macros there....
----------------------------------------
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic."
- Arthur C. Clarke
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:57:06 +0200, I needed a babel fish to
understand "Night Elf" <email@hotmail.com> :
>Can anyone give me a link to a good web site for macros, or post some mage
>macros here
>Tnx
>
http://www.wowmacros.com/
good luck... lots of good macros there....
----------------------------------------
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic."
- Arthur C. Clarke
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