Macs Finally Get Windows 7 Support in Boot Camp

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[citation][nom]jedimasterben[/nom][citation][nom]hakesterman[/nom]It doesn't get Viruses or crash constantly like PC's do./citation]Is that so? Give me your IP address, and let's test that theory.And let's see... the last time my CUSTOM BUILT computer with my SELF-INSTALLED OS crashed was before nVidia wrote proper drivers for 64-bit Vista, which was in no way, shape, or form a fault of the Windows operating system.It's easy to make the Mac OS not crash by making it compatible with almost no hardware or software.[/citation]

first off, OS X officially supports more devices under Mac OS X than are listed on Microsoft's Windows Vista or Win 7 HCL. More than 70% of the devices on the market are supproted under OS X including virtually every camera, camcorder, webcam, printer, scanner, card reader, and nearly all USB devices in general, plus all ATI and nVidia cards using the universal binary, almost every network device on the market, most RAID controllers, and the list goes on. OS X can't be natively installed without EFI support in the motherboard (which is slowly gaining adoption thatnks to renewed pressure from intel), but it can be hacked onto most platforms, and is parrallel developed by Apple on not less than intel, AMD, IBM, ARM, and now PMI Semi hardware platforms. Rule is, if the code can't run on all their test platforms, it's not to be released...

Shit on a Mac runs, and runs well, and maintains it's performance over time, because Apple works it's ass off supporting ALL the platforms, not just one, even though they may only SELL one. (and what they sell, part ofr part, in 75% of cases is cheaper than the same machine from Dell, HP, Acer, toshiba, or Lenovo. Just try and even BUILD a 27" iMac clone (in ANY form factor) on NewEgg mathing or exceeding the screen, CPU (don;t forget VT support), Motherboard specs (don't forget than RAM speed and 16GB support!), HDD size and speed, Wireless N with 3X3 mimo, Video in/out, 5.1 digital audio in/out, and bluetooth. I'll let you skip the keyboard, mouse, webcam, speakers, IR port, and even the OS... I can't come within $150 of the Mac's price, and they throw in a $129 3 year waranty, including walk-in service (a year is free)

next, I put a Mac running 10.5 out there in a Pwn contest. No AV on it, root disabled (default), and only currently available patches. It did not fall (though my router did). My Win 7 machine, which has both WebRoot AS/AV as well as the latest corporate edition of EPO on it (including huristic scanning) has found 7 viruses ON IT in 4 months. The only thing that machine does is download my gmail messages to outlook (I don't read them there, it just archives them for me), it's a media server for the house through iTunes, and I play a couple MMOs on it. It's basically a naked machine, little or no other software, and it doesn't surf the web at all... it's behind not 1 but 2 firewalls! The viruses got IN and INSTALLED and were caught later after updates...
 
[citation][nom]waikano[/nom]zelannii try as you might what you just said fell on deaf PC Fan Boy ears. Not sure what all the whoopla is about I have been running Win7 Beta and RC since they came out on my MacMini. What this does for the most part is better drivers. Well even in the PC world Hardware companies are updating their drivers as new efficiencies or issues are discovered.[/citation]

yup. BootCamp 3.1 greatly improved the touchpad response, lets Win 7 actually recognize the 9600GT chip, seems to have improved performance a tiny bit, an a couple of other small bug fixes and driver updates. I've had 7 on the mac since RC without any issues, but to play any games though it I had to add Parallels on top and run the game inside a VM (which actually works REALLY GOOD! better frame rates in a VM on a mac notebook than my PC using a faster CPU, more RAM, and an 8800GTX with the same Win 7 OS)
 
everyone is gunning for you when you're number 1. sit back and shut the hell up douche bag. your pwn test can lick the sack.
 
[citation][nom]manjyomethunder[/nom]Thanks for allowing me to listen to "Now That's What I Call Bullshit vol. 12".[/citation]

Believe it or not, I'm sitting here with a $60+ million dollar IT budget, 11 data cetners, 16,000 employees, and more than 10 billion transactions processing quarterly. We have about 400 developers, 300 managers, about 200 hands on IT admins, about 80 tech support (call center) staff, 30 analysts, a dozen network folks, then there's teams for security, compliance, DR, documentation, project management, secretaries for various areas, and it goes on and on. and we're not the biggest IT shop in the state.... I'm not here to prove this to you, and really don't care, the point is, with a massive staff, multiple government compliance regulations to stick to, and the best systems engineers and architects, we still get PC viruses daily, and on rare occasion Suse gets on on a presentation sever, and we have never recorded a single Mac, AIX, SCO, Solaris, HP/UX, or Host virus.
 
zelannii, if you were following DoD standards, and still had these problems, then its time to disconnect the users from the internet. Seriously, who are you using as your AV service; Norton?

And the reason your other platforms don't get infected is because theres no reason to infect them. Of course, theres yearly competitions that create genuine breakthroughs, like the recent contest that created a new breach into Macs once a day for over a month...

Also, just because they may be a System Enginner doesn't mean they have a clue about what not to do on the internet; trust me, I know 😀
 
[citation][nom]zelannii[/nom]first off, OS X officially supports more devices under Mac OS X than are listed on Microsoft's Windows Vista or Win 7 HCL. More than 70% of the devices on the market are supproted under OS X including virtually every camera, camcorder, webcam, printer, scanner, card reader, and nearly all USB devices in general, plus all ATI and nVidia cards using the universal binary, almost every network device on the market, most RAID controllers, and the list goes on. OS X can't be natively installed without EFI support in the motherboard (which is slowly gaining adoption thatnks to renewed pressure from intel), but it can be hacked onto most platforms, and is parrallel developed by Apple on not less than intel, AMD, IBM, ARM, and now PMI Semi hardware platforms. Rule is, if the code can't run on all their test platforms, it's not to be released... Shit on a Mac runs, and runs well, and maintains it's performance over time, because Apple works it's ass off supporting ALL the platforms, not just one, even though they may only SELL one. (and what they sell, part ofr part, in 75% of cases is cheaper than the same machine from Dell, HP, Acer, toshiba, or Lenovo. Just try and even BUILD a 27" iMac clone (in ANY form factor) on NewEgg mathing or exceeding the screen, CPU (don;t forget VT support), Motherboard specs (don't forget than RAM speed and 16GB support!), HDD size and speed, Wireless N with 3X3 mimo, Video in/out, 5.1 digital audio in/out, and bluetooth. I'll let you skip the keyboard, mouse, webcam, speakers, IR port, and even the OS... I can't come within $150 of the Mac's price, and they throw in a $129 3 year waranty, including walk-in service (a year is free) next, I put a Mac running 10.5 out there in a Pwn contest. No AV on it, root disabled (default), and only currently available patches. It did not fall (though my router did). My Win 7 machine, which has both WebRoot AS/AV as well as the latest corporate edition of EPO on it (including huristic scanning) has found 7 viruses ON IT in 4 months. The only thing that machine does is download my gmail messages to outlook (I don't read them there, it just archives them for me), it's a media server for the house through iTunes, and I play a couple MMOs on it. It's basically a naked machine, little or no other software, and it doesn't surf the web at all... it's behind not 1 but 2 firewalls! The viruses got IN and INSTALLED and were caught later after updates...[/citation]

Try to put a nice new video card in your new mac when it ages to breath new life.. OH YA YOU FUCKING CANT


Nuff said
 
My nephew will want to know this. He has been waiting to bootcamp 7 for school, why I don't know but he does get some good deals on software at school. I would use Open Office myself. I will help him do this and he will say, "I didn't know it was that easy," when we are done.
I just ordered a Mini Mac but Winblows will not see it but Adobe Photoshop will.
 
Interesting, Apple claims that Windows 7 is trying to copy OSX, but then goes out of its way to let Windows run on Mac hardware. Will it let OSX run on PCs? No.

Classic.

It soooo wants to BE Windows, it hurts...
 
*shrug* I've been running all 3 OSes for years and never seen any reason to fanboi any of them they all have their pluses and minuses. Yeah, I've had bluescreens, but I've also had perpetual motion machine pinwheels (and CD-ROM drives that refused to open ARRRGH!!!) and screens filled with all kindsa wonderful ASCII symbols and colors from linux crashes (usually kernel compiling issues). Anyone of them MS fanbois are just as bad as Linux fanbois which are just as bad as Apple fanbois, but hey, people always feel like they need to be on the winning team and have the best. As far as I'm concerned, they're all fine as long as you aren't an idiot and avoid running as an admin as much as possible (it's just as silly as running all the time logged in as root). I've gotten a grand total of 3 viruses in 20 years, one on an OS 9 machine off a floppy disk (originated from the college mac lab), one on win95 (warez related, which I probably deserved) and a trojan in XP due to a flash vulnerability. Personally, OS security issues don't bug me too much as most often the big viruses spreads are the results of people not patching their machines; Flash security issues disturb me more, to be honest (hooray for NoScript).
 
The only reason it's even remotely hard to build an 27" iMac equivalent as a PC is the screen, it's just not something that's readily available.

Aside from that every single part is significantly cheaper when not buying Apple. Macbooks being a prime example of old, overpriced hardware compared to Windows notebooks.

Heck, over here upgrading from an i5 750 to an i7 860 in the 27" iMac as a BTO options costs almost $300 while the difference in retail price between the two is roughly $100. The same applies to every single piece of hardware.

Don't get me wrong, I can certainly appreciate the things Apple do well but claiming that Macs are somehow competitively priced vs. self-built, or even pre-built, PCs is ignorant at best.

As far as security goes MacOS may very well be more secure than W7, I really couldn't say, but since Apple account for less than 5% of the worldwide market in the computer niches they even have a presence, and do well, in it's safe to say they're not a prime target for malware to begin with.
 
I can't understand why you people have to be sooo offensive about apple and OSX. I have never used OSX, I am always on linux and windows. I prefer windows due to my work (my software doesn't support linux yet and i cannot trust wine for work).

But OSX is very nice easy to use and I reccoment it over linux or windows for average people and everyday use(music/photo/films/videos/surfing/emails).

If you want security go the linux way also with linux you can work wih the same ease of use as with OSX + you have windows apps too. BUT all that not out of the box.

So if you want something to work and be easy to use out of the box then OSX and MAC.
Now if you want something to work out of the box but run everything THEN go windows!!!

Oh and one last thing for you wondering why to buy a mac if use win (mac architecture make them run faster if you compare a same spec PC)+ plus takes less space in your room (here in europe we do not have huge houses like you do in US). Also Macbook pro runs for longer cooler and you don't have to thing (Ohh shit I was covering that fan hole with my leg).

The major disadvantage for me thats holding from buying a MAC is that always it takes them couple of months to have the latest hardware (just now the used i7) and I always need the best CPU out there to render my 3D creations and environments!!!
 
Well good for them... I might join them again in the future now, cause they now have Video game support 🙂

Just Waiting for Blu-ray and Built in Tv Tunner and DVR Functions.
 
[citation][nom]viper_11[/nom]I can't understand why you people have to be sooo offensive about apple and OSX. I have never used OSX, I am always on linux and windows. I prefer windows due to my work (my software doesn't support linux yet and i cannot trust wine for work).But OSX is very nice easy to use and I reccoment it over linux or windows for average people and everyday use(music/photo/films/videos/surfing/emails).[/citation]

That makes perfect sense....
 
Whoever the mac fanboys are, you need to not talk. Your trying to argue in areas that the PC dominate. I own with a MBP, and a gaming PC

The major pluses of the mac are all based on preference. I happen to love OS X, not every does, nor should everyone. However I also happen to love W7 and my gaming PC because of the raw power of it all.

And to all the mac guys, coming from a mac guy, don't talk about the dead virus argument. You could use that years ago maybe, but there are a few virus's out for mac, and PC's very rarely get them. It's not like you get infected every week or something. If you catch one virus a year your doing terrible. I've never caught one personally in about 3 years of PC use.

If you love OS X don't try to convert everyone, just be content that you love your OS
 
[citation][nom]hakesterman[/nom]You PC fans are nieve. The Imac is far better than any PC on the market. It doesn't get Viruses or crash constantly like PC's do. Once you use them for accouple of weeks they actually are easier to use and make more sense than a PC. I was a PC fan for 15 years, but decided to give them a try and now that i have i willnever go back to a Microsoft driven computer.[/citation]
Another clueless idiot. Its really annoying when the IT/Tech challenged post on Toms. Or it could be Marcus Yammy trying to rile up people. *sigh*
 
[citation][nom]zelannii[/nom]Believe it or not, I'm sitting here with a $60+ million dollar IT budget, 11 data cetners, 16,000 employees, and more than 10 billion transactions processing quarterly. We have about 400 developers, 300 managers, about 200 hands on IT admins, about 80 tech support (call center) staff, 30 analysts, a dozen network folks, then there's teams for security, compliance, DR, documentation, project management, secretaries for various areas, and it goes on and on. and we're not the biggest IT shop in the state.... I'm not here to prove this to you, and really don't care, the point is, with a massive staff, multiple government compliance regulations to stick to, and the best systems engineers and architects, we still get PC viruses daily, and on rare occasion Suse gets on on a presentation sever, and we have never recorded a single Mac, AIX, SCO, Solaris, HP/UX, or Host virus.[/citation]
Man where the hell do you work at? I want to work there too because then I would not have to use logic or common sense and still get paid hefty.
 
[citation][nom]viper_11[/nom]I can't understand why you people have to be sooo offensive about apple and OSX. I have never used OSX, I am always on linux and windows. I prefer windows due to my work (my software doesn't support linux yet and i cannot trust wine for work).But OSX is very nice easy to use and I reccoment it over linux or windows for average people and everyday use[/citation]

Its not OSX nor is it OSX's functionality...its Apple's closed mentality with all thier Hardware and Application. Its Apple claiming to "just works" when it really doesn't. Its Apple saying it's OSX has no security issues nor is OSX vulnerable to Trojans, Virues, Malewere, when infact its even more open to it then Windows. Its Apple and all its false notions that gets people to drink the "Apple" Koolaid. THAT is what bothers me.

I have nothing against OSX and have used it and like it, but when you tell me ur new $2000 Mac is faster and better than my $800 PC....its like you talking shit about my mom. "Uh uh! aint nobody be talking smack bout my mamam!!!!".
 
[citation][nom]r0x0r[/nom]If you wanna use OSX just install it onto a PC. No need to pay too much for what is the same hardware as a regular PC.[/citation]
People would love to, but legitimately. Apple ass-raped Psystar if you remember and doing it yourself can be tricky unless you know exactly what you are doing.
 
[citation][nom]Abrahm[/nom]That makes perfect sense....[/citation]

Well since english is not my native language allow me to do mistakes i meant i have never own a mac but i have used it (just a little) and also i've seen apps to do for windows what MAC os does by default!! Like the way you handle videos photos etc.

@r3t4rd

yes i agree i don't trust apple for my security (see safari holes that haven't been fixed for months when MS for IE fixing them in a week or two).

"when you tell me ur new $2000 Mac is faster and better than my $800 PC....its like you talking shit about my mom."

Well i have tried it myself to buy a laptop with the same spces of a Macbook pro Hispec. it cost 1200 euros when the macbook costs 2500 but my laptop has 1/3 of the battery life, the fan is a lot noisier than in macbook it runs hotter, the screen is not as good either! I have a friend that bought the same laptop BUT tried to install MAC OS to it, I have to say it was faster (not faster than ubuntu though in the same machine) BUT we compared the MAC OS laptop with the same spec Macbook pro and the laptop was 4-6% slower.

Name it better design of the board or better placement or better materials inside the fact for me is that it is worth the extra money if you get something that looks better performs a little better is more portable and the battery lasts for way longer.
 
I'll go out on a limb here, as a PC fan, I actually like the design of Mac hardware and how it looks. I like the materials they use like glass and aluminium. They are pretty. I suppose you pay extra for a Mac compared to an equivalently specced PC because you cant put a price on good looks.

But if the battery life is such an issue you can get higher rated mAh batteries for just about every laptop out there, by any chance have you compared the mAh rating on the Mac to the other laptop you looked at? I will lay even money they Mac has a higher mAh rating to start with.

Screen resolution, I have a 6 year old 15.4" acer laptop with a resolution of 1680 x 1050, so dont tell me that small screens on PC laptops can't do higher resolution, you just need to find who sells them, that's called research, if you don't look for the right product you are guaranteed to get the wrong one.

Back to price premium for good looking machines, irrespective of performance. How about comparing the latest Macbook to the Sony
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sony-vaio-z-quad-ssd,9468.html

No question, the Sony is cheaper than the Mac and pisses all over it for performance, has way better resolution for the screen size and look pretty sexy too. If Mac is angling to work in the Marque brand / boutique market, they may seem value compared to shoddily built cheap brand machines, but compared against other Marque brand / boutique they are overpriced and under specced. Hot tip to Apple, drop price by approx 10% and try to at least match Sony for specification.
 
Why?

Buy a mac to run windows? That defeats the age-old argument of Mac is more stable than PC. Either way, Microsoft wins since you still need to buy a copy of windows.
 
I think it's about time Apple grew a pair and let people use OSX on something other than Apple computers. I think they're just afraid of having to support so much more hardware that it could cause driver problems or something of the sort down the road and then they could lose the image of being "problem free".
 
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