News Major Intel Linux driver projects are dying due to Intel layoffs and corporate restructuring — compatibility and reliability issues could increase...

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Intel is continuing to drop more Linux maintainers and Linux drivers due to corporate restructuring within the company.

Major Intel Linux driver projects are dying due to Intel layoffs and corporate restructuring — compatibility and reliability issues could increase... : Read more

 

[jg.millirem]

“Intel used to….” is a theme of the 2020s.

 

[Pierce2623]

I can’t imagine this will be good for their server business.

 

[King_V]

Yeah, but these things are only relevant to the long term health of the company. It doesn't do anything for the immediate, short term profits.
THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!!!

 

[Amdlova]

Server market will be eaten by arm products x86 it's on the last hurrah... Intel almost ded by now, If the king blue goes down the red one will die too.

 

[heffeque]

Server market will be eaten by arm products x86 it's on the last hurrah... Intel almost ded by now, If the king blue goes down the red one will die too.

Why would red go down? AMD could go the Sound Wave path if needed. Maybe even Intel.

 

[shady28]

I can’t imagine this will be good for their server business.

Why? These were various niche driver maintainers. Like the T7XX 5G device is a MediaTek item. Based on the attitudes of people on forums like this one, Intel's altruism has netted zero respect. Why would they continue it?

 

[acadia11]

Server market will be eaten by arm products x86 it's on the last hurrah... Intel almost ded by now, If the king blue goes down the red one will die too.

Arm is a serious threat to x86 but the vast software ecosystem that x86s leans heavily in its favor although this is changing … and x86 has undergone rapid adoption of RISC like behaviors and various other techniques to address the power consumption differences. As pure risc and cisc designs don’t really apply in modern CPUs for sure though this is a real threat to AMD and Intel. AmD is obviously in better position but their dominance in server space more specifically data center exposes them more …

 

[Air2004]

Who needs maintainers ? Intel will be referred to as "The company formerly known as" in another 6 years. In 10 years a good bit of their IP will be owned by foreign entities, some of whom will be hostile to US Interests.

 

[ezst036]

Why? These were various niche driver maintainers.

Aren't some of these maintainers for items like CPU frequency/temperature?

That is quite important for servers. Critical, even. And in servers, Windows is not the top dog - not even close. In servers Linux rules the roost.

 

[phead128]

Intel Products is lucrative and highly profitable. Intel Foundry is dead weight and Morris Chang was right, Intel should have never gone into Foundry in first place.

 

[TerryLaze]

Why would red go down? AMD could go the Sound Wave path if needed. Maybe even Intel.

Did you see their last quarterly report?! They have huge revenues but are barely making any money from it, tariffs and export banns are ongoing and tsmc is constantly increasing prices.
AMD will go down far earlier than intel because they have barely any reserves and are not making much money.

Intel Foundry is dead weight

We won't know if it is or not until the end of the year or more likely well into next year, when outside customer financials start (or not) showing up in their quarterlies.
18A has only a couple of outside customers but it will be an indication of weather this might have a chance or not.

 

[jonaswox]

Did you see their last quarterly report?! They have huge revenues but are barely making any money from it, tariffs and export banns are ongoing and tsmc is constantly increasing prices.
AMD will go down far earlier than intel because they have barely any reserves and are not making much money.

We won't know if it is or not until the end of the year or more likely well into next year, when outside customer financials start (or not) showing up in their quarterlies.
18A has only a couple of outside customers but it will be an indication of weather this might have a chance or not.

I think Intel has managed to kill any rumor that there exists a probability > 0, that 18A will be any good. Everything they say stands in stark contrast to their actual actions. It seems to me they have internally already admitted defeat.

And with the dismantling of any structure left in the company , now they are like Microsoft totally throwing in the towel and will just milk what is left. The gigantic codebase is the only thing keeping us from moving on.

 

[TerryLaze]

I think Intel has managed to kill any rumor that there exists a probability > 0, that 18A will be any good. Everything they say stands in stark contrast to their actual actions. It seems to me they have internally already admitted defeat.

And with the dismantling of any structure left in the company , now they are like Microsoft totally throwing in the towel and will just milk what is left. The gigantic codebase is the only thing keeping us from moving on.

You are reading too much click bait....
The things you think intel said, it's the click bait articles that make you think they said that.

 

[Loadedaxe]

I think Intel has managed to kill any rumor that there exists a probability > 0, that 18A will be any good. Everything they say stands in stark contrast to their actual actions. It seems to me they have internally already admitted defeat.

And with the dismantling of any structure left in the company , now they are like Microsoft totally throwing in the towel and will just milk what is left. The gigantic codebase is the only thing keeping us from moving on

Sounds like you’ve already decided the verdict before the trial. People said Intel was done in the early 2000s, too, right before they blindsided everyone with Core and took the crown for a decade.

18A isn’t vaporware, they’ve invested billions, and are actually taping out chips. Declaring “defeat” now just reads more like wishful thinking than analysis.

 

[DS426]

Why? These were various niche driver maintainers. Like the T7XX 5G device is a MediaTek item. Based on the attitudes of people on forums like this one, Intel's altruism has netted zero respect. Why would they continue it?

Intel's altruism? Just because we're talking about Linux or open source contributions doesn't make Intel altruistic. Intel has a lot of these projects because it supports their server business, which is (or should be and once was) lucrative for Intel. If not server, then client, networking, or otherwise. Moreover, they benefit greatly from open source, so it's only equitable for them to contribute back. AMD, nVidia, and others do the same in various ways and to various degrees.

Anyways, that's true on "why would they continue it" -- these are the kinds of projects and folks that are going to be on the chopping block when significant labor reductions are enacted. A return to focusing on tangible and solid ROI occurs in events like this.

 

[DS426]

Did you see their last quarterly report?! They have huge revenues but are barely making any money from it, tariffs and export banns are ongoing and tsmc is constantly increasing prices.
AMD will go down far earlier than intel because they have barely any reserves and are not making much money.

We won't know if it is or not until the end of the year or more likely well into next year, when outside customer financials start (or not) showing up in their quarterlies.
18A has only a couple of outside customers but it will be an indication of weather this might have a chance or not.

AMD being fabless is an advantage, for one. They've survived worse times when they were a smaller company with less inertia and investor backing. RDNA 4 also turned out to be production-constrained... sort of a good problem to have.

A "bad" quarter doesn't speak for a fiscal year, it only impacts it. AMD had a record year for fiscal 2024 -- quite the stark contrast to Intel and exactly why we see people's sentiment on these forums that the trajectories don't match, cash reserves only going so far.

 

[phead128]

Intel Products is lucrative and highly profitable. Intel Foundry is dead weight and Morris Chang was right, Intel should have never gone into Foundry in first place.

We won't know if it is or not until the end of the year or more likely well into next year, when outside customer financials start (or not) showing up in their quarterlies.
18A has only a couple of outside customers but it will be an indication of weather this might have a chance or not.

a) I don't trust whatever Intel claims, neither do most major customers.

b) if Intel ever did secure a major customer contract, you would hear through it in the news, you don't have to wait next year until quarterly filings to be reported. Heck, they will be non-stop talking about a major contract to save their plunging stock.

c) Intel will not sign any major external customers because it's too risky and unpredictable and unproven partner. Customers have options, they are not forced to settle with Intel.

 

[TerryLaze]

AMD being fabless is an advantage, for one.

Yes, it's an advantage to not have guaranteed volume at guaranteed cost, apple on a spending spree?! Amd out of business...

They've survived worse times when they were a smaller company with less inertia and investor backing.

Irrelevant but sure, yes.

RDNA 4 also turned out to be production-constrained... sort of a good problem to have.

Production-constrained means you can't produce as much as you want right?!?!
How is that a good problem?

AMD had a record year for fiscal 2024

Record in revenue....
half the net income of 2021
If their costs keep increasing like that then the revenue won't be able to increase fast enough for them to keep making money.

a) I don't trust whatever Intel claims, neither do most major customers.

Sure, that's why intel allows customers to test the nodes and makes contracts.

b) if Intel ever did secure a major customer contract, you would hear through it in the news, you don't have to wait next year until quarterly filings to be reported. Heck, they will be non-stop talking about a major contract to save their plunging stock.

Not what I was talking about, they have customers for 18A and they will produce their own products on 18A , by first quarter of next year we will know if 18A is any good, if it sells well, and how much the external customers contribute to the foundries (gross margins from external customers)

c) Intel will not sign any major external customers because it's too risky and unpredictable and unproven partner. Customers have options, they are not forced to settle with Intel.

Intel is making their own CPUs for more than 50 years and is working with the whole industry ever since then.
Every potential customer knows exactly what they can expect from intel.

 

[logainofhades]

The Bean Counter CEO is going to destroy this once great company chasing short term gains, over long term health.

 

[phead128]

Intel is making their own CPUs for more than 50 years and is working with the whole industry ever since then.
Every potential customer knows exactly what they can expect from intel.

Intel first time as a custom foundry failed from 2012 to 2018.
This is the second time it's foray as a Foundry has failed from 2021 to 2025.
The "past 50 years" quip is as an IDM, not as a Foundry. The whole point of a Foundry is to serve external customers to justify the huge ROI expense of leading edge nodes, it's not to serve internal demand.

You clearly must be an Intel executive, delusional beyond repair.

 

[TerryLaze]

Intel first time as a custom foundry failed from 2012 to 2018.
This is the second time it's foray as a Foundry has failed from 2021 to 2025.
The "past 50 years" quip is as an IDM, not as a Foundry. The whole point of a Foundry is to serve external customers to justify the huge ROI expense of leading edge nodes, it's not to serve internal demand.

You clearly must be an Intel executive, delusional beyond repair.

You must clearly be an AMD executive if you think that anybody will make any distinction between intel and intel foundry....that was like the number one thing any amd fanboy was claiming would be the reason that the intel foundry would fail.

 

[jonaswox]

You are reading too much click bait....
The things you think intel said, it's the click bait articles that make you think they said that.

completely baseless reasoning my friend. What "do I think intel said?" .... please inform me.

 

[jonaswox]

Sounds like you’ve already decided the verdict before the trial. People said Intel was done in the early 2000s, too, right before they blindsided everyone with Core and took the crown for a decade.

18A isn’t vaporware, they’ve invested billions, and are actually taping out chips. Declaring “defeat” now just reads more like wishful thinking than analysis.

lol. No , that is some way to twist the situation. What Im saying is that until proven otherwise, I will assume intel is continuing on the path of imbecilic levels of governance. What are we know?.., 30 years down on intel perpetually promising bs? Perpetually getting more and more irrelevant?

I think honestly that assuming the opposite is borderline insane , and at the least pretty naive. They are failing, lying, failing some more, then lying some more, then fail , lie, fail, lie. Its a great business cycle tbh. Then add some cores end repeat the cycle.

Nobody thinks its vaporware , but nobody significant is gonna buy it either. You dont think its a pretty blatant sign, that every single high performance desktop chip from intel will be made on N2P , and the freaking "value" segment will get the 18A ? You think that is just because intel wants to keep the gut shjit to themselves or?

Why is everybody flocking to buy TSMC N2P ??? its because the alternative has proven useless. They are not even in the convo for the elite stuff, and hardly recognized in the high end desktop. They are not even gonna use it themselves damnit 😀 ... that should tell you everything you need to know. Sure they will use it in value segment and battery constrained deployments, but cmon are you seriously gonna argue that this is due to some high level iq long term plan?

This company has lied so much I find it amazing anyone even listens when they open their mouths. The only reason they did not drop production long time ago is their endless lust for more margin. And this lust is exactly what has destroyed the company. Its a blatant paradox to wanna have the highest margins, while being the spearhead of the most advanced technology of our society. Innovation costs money - and you have to choose as a leader what you wanna do, margins or innovation? Intel chose long time ago.

 

[jonaswox]

Sounds like you’ve already decided the verdict before the trial. People said Intel was done in the early 2000s, too, right before they blindsided everyone with Core and took the crown for a decade.

18A isn’t vaporware, they’ve invested billions, and are actually taping out chips. Declaring “defeat” now just reads more like wishful thinking than analysis.

You should really recognize, that when a company like intel suddenly has the CEO in the press talking about how the reliability and yield is suddenly not a problem at all , stuff like that is not a coincidence my friend. Its is blatantly a move made in desperation to make up for the fact that he probably already heavily let down the potential investors due to "bad reliability and yield" (just a guess no clue where im getting it from). They have either gotten a sample that was horrible or been told that such a sample couldnt not be achieved due to "reliability and yield concerns".

Its so blatant , I dont know what to tell you. These guys was pointing at the world for 2 years while knowing damn well the problem was themselves. Its just next level evil shit. Everyone is at fault but intel. And then we find out that intel knew all along, at that their chips apparently are frying themselves...... Then they made arrowlake 😀 .............. why are we even considering them serious anymore?Arrow lake , lol.

Why tik tok, when u can just tok, amiright.