[SOLVED] massive m.2 monstrosity mania

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Hey everyone,
So I've been instructed to build a PC for my dad, who absolutely refuses to get something which won't last for the next two decades or so, so future proofing and expandability are very important.
He needs it mostly for Lightroom, so a more cpu based build would be appropriate, I was thinking an i9 9900k for the processor, and maybe a 2070 or at the most a 2080 for the next few years.

However, the main problem is the storage; he wants ONLY nvme, and eventually would like to upgrade to 24TB of it, but for the moment 6TB are enough xD. Since hardly any motherboard I could find has three m.2 slots that can be used simultaneously, I was thinking about the Asus hyper v2, but I need help finding a motherboard that has preferably 3 pci e x16 slots running at 16x so that I can put in another card in the future. Anyone any suggestions?
 
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Not much you can do here, seems a waste of money for the tiny benefit you would see. I'd get a cheaper system and replace it in 6 years. In 6 years a high end CPU and video card will be on the lower end of things. There is a huge cost in a high end motherboard and high end storage, unless your dad runs the Amazon servers at his house, there is no need to worry about the top of the line speeds. Normal SATA SSDs don't have the PCIe lane restrictions so you can get higher storage density.
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Not much you can do here, seems a waste of money for the tiny benefit you would see. I'd get a cheaper system and replace it in 6 years. In 6 years a high end CPU and video card will be on the lower end of things. There is a huge cost in a high end motherboard and high end storage, unless your dad runs the Amazon servers at his house, there is no need to worry about the top of the line speeds. Normal SATA SSDs don't have the PCIe lane restrictions so you can get higher storage density.
 
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hang-the-9 said:
Not much you can do here, seems a waste of money for the tiny benefit you would see. I'd get a cheaper system and replace it in 6 years. In 6 years a high end CPU and video card will be on the lower end of things. There is a huge cost in a high end motherboard and high end storage, unless your dad runs the Amazon servers at his house, there is no need to worry about the top of the line speeds. Normal SATA SSDs don't have the PCIe lane restrictions so you can get higher storage density.
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That's all well and good, but I just need a motherboard that'll support three or at least 2 16x slots. Any suggestions?
 
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2 decades. ha-ha LOL. Even Japanese cars are lasting shorter now, going with thinner paint and more plastic parts like everybody else.

In a perfect consumer world, things are infinitely scalable, but in real life there is no such thing. The last thing that lasted that long was the Sony Trinitron.
 
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jsmithepa said:
2 decades. ha-ha LOL. Even Japanese cars are lasting shorter now, going with thinner paint and more plastic parts like everybody else.

In a perfect consumer world, things are infinitely scalable, but in real life there is no such thing. The last thing that lasted that long was the Sony Trinitron.
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Quite true xD but he just wants something darn good which will last for at least a good while!
 
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Dragos Manea said:
You can go on 9900X or 9920X route which has 44 pcie lanes. It is more expensive but it is what he wants and also has more cores and quad channel memory (9900X has 10 cores 20 threads, 9920X has 12 cores and 24 threads), you can fit 2 devices on full x16 and 2 devices on 8x , and additional 3 m.2 slots.

https://www.asus.com/en/Motherboards/ROG-RAMPAGE-VI-EXTREME/overview/
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Thanks a lot!! But isn't there anything that will work with a 9900k which has 2x 16x support ?
 
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2 decades? 2039?

Consider the uberest PC you would have built in 1999 (2 decades ago)
Would you still be using it today?


1999 (2 decades ago) consumer level SATA SSD's weren't a thing. NVMe even less so. Not even on the radar.
Windows Me was the new shiny OS. 😱

What drive types will we be using in 2029? 2039?
 
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i just need 6TB in nvme. I could combine 2 nvmes on a 16x slot running at 8x and put one 2TB nvme on the motherboard if that works. I'm just trying to find out IF that works
 
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Niels_7 said:
Hey everyone,
So I've been instructed to build a PC for my dad, who absolutely refuses to get something which won't last for the next two decades or so, so future proofing and expandability are very important.
He needs it mostly for Lightroom, so a more cpu based build would be appropriate, I was thinking an i9 9900k for the processor, and maybe a 2070 or at the most a 2080 for the next few years.

However, the main problem is the storage; he wants ONLY nvme, and eventually would like to upgrade to 24TB of it, but for the moment 6TB are enough xD. Since hardly any motherboard I could find has three m.2 slots that can be used simultaneously, I was thinking about the Asus hyper v2, but I need help finding a motherboard that has preferably 3 pci e x16 slots running at 16x so that I can put in another card in the future. Anyone any suggestions?
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No problem, you can get Enterprise [insane endurance] 4TB U.2 [same as NVme, PCIe x4] Intel drive brand new in nylon for under 500USD, [I got lucky and got one for 360USD 2 weeks ago and already got it, from a new seller in india on ebay, everyone got scared i took a chance and SSD is sitting on my desk]
Search for Intel DC P4510 and Intel DC P4500 on ebay
P4500 is older model and has 1600Mb/s write and over 3000MB/s reads, the P4510 is newer and have over 3000Mb/s read and write.
They can be installed either with cable that goes into M.2 slot and from it to the drive [under 30USD, if you from USA, Intel sells them on their site and they best quality, otherwise you can get them on ebay/amazon]
or PCIe x4 adapter card, you plug the SSD into this card, screw on the back and plug the card into freePCIe slot, its compact and no cables
 
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Yeah, but I'd like to stay with the 9900k. So, any chance I could use the motherboard provided slots as well as a hyper card running on 8x, or is it still impossible cuz of the CPU?
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You cant do that, most motherboards dont support bifurcation, motherboards that come with Xpander card like some MSI boards do, support.
You can always buy a raid PCIe card, tehre are ones with up to 4 slots, but they start at 400USD and go to over 1000USD
As I Said your best bet is to get Enterprise SSD, they come in 4Tb, 8TB and even 16TB sizes
Here is 8TB

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Micron-5210-ION-2-5-SSD-8Tb-7681Gb-Brand-New-see-images/133162288922

https://www.ebay.com/itm/8TB-SSD-Mi...W-1AR1ZABYY-MLC-U-2-SFF-8639-2-5/153549641226

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-...YY-9200-NVMe-8TB-2-5-PCIe3-0-SSD/113664205025

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-...8TB-NVMe-PCIe-3-0-3D-TLC-2-5-SSD/383138123144

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-DC-P...rnal-PCI-Express-PCI-Express-3-1/303110771608

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Intel-...-x4-3D1-TLC-SSDPEDKX080T701-HHHL/372665605045

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PCIe-x16-SSD-8TB-Bundle-Adapter-und-4x-M-2-unbenutzt/223638085813
 
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Okay guys, so can you tell me whether this would work;

I buy the Asus hyper v2 card, put it under the GPU in a slot that would inevitably be running at 8x, and install 2 2TB NVMes, each running at 4x.

Then, I take a third 2TB NVMe and install it directly in one of the m.2 slots on the motherboard.

Three questions;
-Will I be able to combine the three to form a single logical drive?
  • what motherboard could I use to do this, it must have a thunderbolt 3 as well,
  • will this even work?
 
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USAFRet said:
I put the question back to you...Why would you?
What do you want to benefit by doing that?

And RAID?
The uses where a RAID 0 + NVMe drives is any benefit are very, very limited.
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Alright, I've decided to go the threadripper path, so I'll get a
2950x, combined with the Gigabyte X399 AORUS PRO ATX Motherboard, 32 gigs of hyperx predator DDR4 RAM and 6TB (3 individual sticks ) Corsair Force mp510 storage.
All three cards would be used on the Asus hyper v2. Would this work? Never built with threadripper before, and in Linus' video about the hyper card, the connection between the two 'sides' of the threadripper actually caused a bottleneck, will that be a problem for me?
 
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Niels_7 said:
Alright, I've decided to go the threadripper path, so I'll get a
2950x, combined with the Gigabyte X399 AORUS PRO ATX Motherboard, 32 gigs of hyperx predator DDR4 RAM and 6TB (3 individual sticks ) Corsair Force mp510 storage.
All three cards would be used on the Asus hyper v2. Would this work? Never built with threadripper before, and in Linus' video about the hyper card, the connection between the two 'sides' of the threadripper actually caused a bottleneck, will that be a problem for me?
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I do not know if that would be an issue, or to what extent if it was.

I imagine any "bottleneck" (i despise that term) would be dependent on the specific use and software.
Gaming is different than CAD is different than video rendering is different than financial analysis.
 
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USAFRet said:
I do not know if that would be an issue, or to what extent if it was.

I imagine any "bottleneck" (i despise that term) would be dependent on the specific use and software.
Gaming is different than CAD is different than video rendering is different than financial analysis.
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The use would be mainly moving around tons of video and photos files, 4k and maybe in the future 8k video editing and rendering, and Adobe Lightroom. Would these parts do the trick?
 
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