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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:49:43 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
> This is exactly the point...there is NOTHING for your eyes to trust. You
> fall back on what you are feeling in the seat of your pants BUT you can be
> in an unusual attitude (and descending) and all the while you won't feel any
> different than when you are in straight and level flight.
I gave that a test last night by sticking the 172 in a dense storm, at
night, at 13000 ft and hand-flying it right above KSEA.
For the extra effect I turned off the NAV lights, which also turned off the
panel lights too. I had next close to 0 visibility.
I was fighting to stay level.
As I was concentrating on where I was on the gps I looked at the
instruments and soon noticed that the plane was banking to the right.
I corrected it, held the yoke firmly, looked at the gps again and glanced
back at the gauges....it was banking again. The wind was pushing me
sideways.
Now of course there's no real way to simulate these dangers because we have
no "seat of your pants" feel, but it was difficult enough.
> When I took my PP-ASEL checkride, during the "under the hood" phase, the DPE
> had *the most* amazing touch flying the plane into attitudes that I was sure
> were one thing, but when I'd pick my head up and scan the instruments, we
> were "180 degrees" in the opposite situation.
>
> I was sure we were in a left wing low climb (and I was primed to shove the
> nose down and add power...), but damned if we weren't right wing low and
> screaming toward the ground (which called for immeadiately chopping the
> power, rolling wings level and gently pulling out into level flight.) It
> took a second or two (and probably longer...) to make the mental switch from
> what I felt to what I saw via the instruments.
This is all so difficult for me to understand since I'm used to "listening"
to my body in normal, on the ground situations.
I can't help but think that my body would tell me when and how I was
banking or whether I was right-side up or upside-down.
Hmmmm....
--
Marcel (SAG-21)
(Gear up, AP engaged...hey...what's that emergency light?)
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:49:43 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
> This is exactly the point...there is NOTHING for your eyes to trust. You
> fall back on what you are feeling in the seat of your pants BUT you can be
> in an unusual attitude (and descending) and all the while you won't feel any
> different than when you are in straight and level flight.
I gave that a test last night by sticking the 172 in a dense storm, at
night, at 13000 ft and hand-flying it right above KSEA.
For the extra effect I turned off the NAV lights, which also turned off the
panel lights too. I had next close to 0 visibility.
I was fighting to stay level.
As I was concentrating on where I was on the gps I looked at the
instruments and soon noticed that the plane was banking to the right.
I corrected it, held the yoke firmly, looked at the gps again and glanced
back at the gauges....it was banking again. The wind was pushing me
sideways.
Now of course there's no real way to simulate these dangers because we have
no "seat of your pants" feel, but it was difficult enough.
> When I took my PP-ASEL checkride, during the "under the hood" phase, the DPE
> had *the most* amazing touch flying the plane into attitudes that I was sure
> were one thing, but when I'd pick my head up and scan the instruments, we
> were "180 degrees" in the opposite situation.
>
> I was sure we were in a left wing low climb (and I was primed to shove the
> nose down and add power...), but damned if we weren't right wing low and
> screaming toward the ground (which called for immeadiately chopping the
> power, rolling wings level and gently pulling out into level flight.) It
> took a second or two (and probably longer...) to make the mental switch from
> what I felt to what I saw via the instruments.
This is all so difficult for me to understand since I'm used to "listening"
to my body in normal, on the ground situations.
I can't help but think that my body would tell me when and how I was
banking or whether I was right-side up or upside-down.
Hmmmm....
--
Marcel (SAG-21)
(Gear up, AP engaged...hey...what's that emergency light?)
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