News Meet the Intel Core Ultra processor lineup, with built-in NPUs for AI, and Arc graphics

[Admin]

Intel has detailed its Intel Core H and U-series processor lineups, which start shipping today, with some models slipping into the first quarter of 2024.

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[Marlin1975]

And they use as much power as some desktop chips.

Is that the only way intel can show gains now is just ramp up the power?
Also no one is doing AI work on a laptop chip. What a dud

 

[Lucky_SLS]

"But things don't look as good on single-threaded performance. While the Ultra 7 165H allegedly beats the Ryzen 7 7840U by 12%, the last-gen 1370P beat the same AMD chip by 21%"

Redcove P cores?????

 

[NeoMorpheus]

Meteor Lake has landed, ushering in the era of the AI PC

And AMD Ryzen 7040 Series, otherwise known as the Phoenix APU, are figments of our imagination hence doesnt exist.....

Between beauties like that title or the days when Ngreedia marketing dept dictates whats pasted in the front page, we are truly unbiased informed, I guess....

 

[JamesJones44]

And they use as much power as some desktop chips.

Is that the only way intel can show gains now is just ramp up the power?
Also no one is doing AI work on a laptop chip. What a dud

If this slide is to be believed these don't use as much power as a desktop CPU. The question is under what conditions is the slide true.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/K6bnHhvovdUqWJmhXfHM83-970-80.jpg.webp

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Intel Core Ultra 5 125H has 7 E-cores. Seems a bit of an odd number (pardon the pun). Typo?

 

[atomicWAR]

Little underwhelming with 6P cores but it will be nice to see Intel switch to chiplet...I mean 'tile' designs. I'll be curious how these perform!

 

[TCA_ChinChin]

Little underwhelming with 6P cores but it will be nice to see Intel switch to chiplet...I mean 'tile' designs. I'll be curious how these perform!

Initial impressions seem pretty good, with the new chips being on par or slightly better than current AMD/Apple offerings in terms of CPU, GPU, performance and efficiency. Competition in the laptop segment seems better products for all.

 

[Blastomonas]

Hasn't AMD already beaten them to it? Better late than never i suppose.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

I don't think a turbo power of 115w in a laptop is very efficient. But, hey, times are changing.

 

[Giroro]

So we now have 3 types of Normal/Smaller/Smallest cores, plus a huge emphasis on a useless NPU which realistically will never get software support for any of the kinds of workloads you would ever want to run on a laptop.
Meanwhile I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what in the world they are trying to say or not-say with claims like "up to 79% lower power than AMD at the same 28W ..."

I for one am glad that these CPUs will be exclusive to Windows 11 machines, where they can safely be ignored for the foreseeable future. Because otherwise these SKUs would be an absolute nightmare to memorize and try to talk about.

The new "Ultra" brand is supposed to be Intel's attempt to make their marketing less confusing?
It took me literal weeks of having to trail my father around Best Buy and Costco, fighting against him getting confused and bogged down by specs he didn't need to worry about, just to figure out what size of screen and style of keyboard he wanted so I could go find him a laptop with the specs he needed for real.
You aren't helping us buy laptops for our families, INTEL.

 

[1_rick]

Intel Core Ultra 5 125H has 7 E-cores. Seems a bit of an odd number (pardon the pun). Typo?

Gotta be a typo, because the core/thread count in the row above it is the same as the 135H: 14/18. 8 thread from p cores, 8 from e cores, 2 from the LP cores.

 

[Order 66]

What exactly are the LP cores, and how are they different from E-cores? (I don't think the article mentioned it, but maybe I missed it.)

 

[TerryLaze]

So we now have 3 types of Normal/Smaller/Smallest cores, plus a huge emphasis on a useless NPU which realistically will never get software support for any of the kinds of workloads you would ever want to run on a laptop.
Meanwhile I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what in the world they are trying to say or not-say with claims like "up to 79% lower power than AMD at the same 28W ..."

These two things are related, my guess, just as intel is much more efficient when using quicksync to sync videos from your devices to your laptop, it will be much more efficient running background blurring for webcams on live chats, I give this as an example since you seem to not see a reason for NPUs on laptops, but webcams, pic sorting, and video/pic filters, are all the rage with the kids these days, and probably many more things that we are just too old to even notice.
And hey, if it can add a few FPS to games as well with smart scaling, all the better.

 

[TerryLaze]

What exactly are the LP cores, and how are they different from E-cores? (I don't think the article mentioned it, but maybe I missed it.)

E-cores are there to add performance in the same power envelope, so they add efficiency by increasing performance without increasing power * , the LP cores will allow more of the CPU to be shut down, decreasing standby/idle power draw while the PC will still be able to do some light tasks (mainly look for heavier tasks so that it can tell the compute tile to wake up).

*As long as you stick with the numbers intel is giving you for pl1 pl2.
3:50 "lets them to run more efficiently, under separate powering"

View: https://youtu.be/X4_IYTJzrnI?t=229

 

[deesider]

What exactly are the LP cores, and how are they different from E-cores? (I don't think the article mentioned it, but maybe I missed it.)

The new Intel CPU 'package' is made up of different tiles/chiplets. There is a tile each for P-cores, E-cores, and GPU, plus a SoC tile with the IO and other network functions.

The LP-cores are on the SoC tile, allowing the P and E tiles to be powered down along with the communication to those tiles when in a low-power state. The E-core and LP-core architecture is the same, but the SoC tile is made by TSMC N6 process and the other tiles on Intel N4.

 

[cyrusfox]

I for one am glad that these CPUs will be exclusive to Windows 11 machines

Where did you read about windows 11 dedication, I am interested on that front. I am sure there is going to be a Linux option for this as well.

 

[btmedic04]

Intel not showing apple M3 results and comparing this generations H series of parts against last generations P series of parts, coupled with the insane boost power wattage is telling. These parts are a disappointment based off of the marketing fluff alone.

 

[jeffy9987]

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what in the world they are trying to say or not-say with claims like "up to 79% lower power than AMD at the same 28W ..."

thats probbly comparing against zen 2 ryzen 7000

 

[TerryLaze]

thats probbly comparing against zen 2 ryzen 7000

Nope, 7840U.
It's only in idle, because of the lp cores in the soc tile that allow the rest of the CPU to be shut down completely.

 

[bit_user]

Intel today launched its Core Ultra (née Meteor Lake)

Andrew E. Freedman, if you were a knight, I think this would make you a Knight who says née!

I think that means you just need to figure out how to get in his royal majesty's good graces, so you can get yourself knighted.

 

[bit_user]

Intel not showing apple M3 results

The M3 appeared in a perf/W chart, but it was just one datapoint and they seem to have compared only the base M3 (i.e. not the M3 Pro or M3 Max).

 

[bit_user]

So we now have 3 types of Normal/Smaller/Smallest cores,

IMO, the LP E-cores are pretty genius. That enables them to power down the P+E tile, which is how they get such impressive power figures, at/near idle.

The E-core and LP-core architecture is the same, but the SoC tile is made by TSMC N6 process and the other tiles on Intel N4.

The LP E-cores have a slight downside, however. Intel is reportedly reusing the same SoC tile, in Arrow Lake. That means Arrow Lake will inherit the same Crestmont LP E-cores, which is going to prevent Arrow Lake from introducing any new instructions, since those two little LP E-cores won't have them.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-arrow-lake-desktop-mobile-to-have-different-isas
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