News Micron: We Can Work Noble Gas Supply From Ukraine. For Now

[Why_Me]

Point being? Western Europe are now under control of Russia because of gas supply!? US needs to restore fracking rights, when majority of population don't support that!? There's a bigger picture here!

Who says the majority of the US population is against fracking? Fact of the matter is that the US was energy independant just a few years ago for the first time since the early 1960's. We in the US have been witnessing the consequences for the past year now of what happens when you shut down two major oil pipelines while banning drilling & fracking on US federal land.

 

[Krotow]

Energy independence is the only way to prevent encroachment and blackmail. OPEC tried for years to blackmail us with oil over our support of Israel. While it created long lines for gas, it only strengthened our resolve.

So what's the bigger picture I'm missing?

Measures to move from fossil fuels to renewable energy. Good for climate no doubt. But in particular geopolitical circumstances they harm more than do good. Indeed renewables will help to fight climate changes, but in this new reality gas abolishing can wait for few years. As I said above, nursing with hostile regimes will only weak us. Seems we must now change fossil fuel abolishing for 5 years further. During that time better batteries for transportation and backup storage will mature and enter in commercial market too.

 

[Co BIY]

Germany also shuttered all their nuclear plants in a panic after Fukishima with the only practical alternative being Russian natural gas.

The same anti-nuclear sentiment just closed the Indian Point Nuclear Plant that supplies New York City. Now more gas dependent and the gas isn't cheap right now.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Energy independence is the only way to prevent encroachment and blackmail. OPEC tried for years to blackmail us with oil over our support of Israel. While it created long lines for gas, it only strengthened our resolve.

So what's the bigger picture I'm missing?

This war isn't necessarily about energy resources or energy independence. That just happens to be a consequence of it.

 

[digitalgriffin]

This war isn't necessarily about energy resources or energy independence. That just happens to be a consequence of it.

While I'll agree with you, one of the things holding USA and Europe hostage is the fact they are dependent upon certain items like natural gas, oil (Russia) or cheap goods (China). Thus is becoming a key factor to giving tyrants the middle finger.

Energy has been a cause of war since WW2. Japan was dependent upon Oil. Kuwait is another clear example of how energy needs can lead to war. Russia cut off natural gas to the Ukraine to make it suffer a long time ago.

Right now Germany and a lot of Europe will suffer because of dependence on despots. We will too as a lot of our natural gas will be changed over to LNG and shipped to Europe to support them. And our current administration banned pipelines and fracking on Federal lands. This policy needs to be undone.

The objective is to shore up our ally states while appropriate counter actions and forces can be put into place. All this takes time as emergency infrastructure is put into place.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Who says the majority of the US population is against fracking? Fact of the matter is that the US was energy independant just a few years ago for the first time since the early 1960's. We in the US have been witnessing the consequences for the past year now of what happens when you shut down two major oil pipelines while banning drilling & fracking on US federal land.

Well, TBH the reference I have is some polling where 44% are against it with 35% for it. Ill see if I can find the resource again. But you can see that with some searching. It's a close call and you could argue one way or another. I'm not saying it's set in stone, but true enough.

 

[Why_Me]

Well, TBH the reference I have is some polling where 44% are against it with 35% for it. Ill see if I can find the resource again. But you can see that with some searching. It's a close call and you could argue one way or another. I'm not saying it's set in stone, but true enough.

I've been a bit wary of polls since 2016.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

While I'll agree with you, one of the things holding USA and Europe hostage is the fact they are dependent upon certain items like natural gas, oil (Russia) or cheap goods (China). Thus is becoming a key factor to giving tyrants the middle finger.

Energy has been a cause of war since WW2. Japan was dependent upon Oil. Kuwait is another clear example of how energy needs can lead to war. Russia cut off natural gas to the Ukraine to make it suffer a long time ago.

Right now Germany and a lot of Europe will suffer because of dependence on despots. We will too as a lot of our natural gas will be changed over to LNG and shipped to Europe to support them. And our current administration banned pipelines and fracking on Federal lands. This policy needs to be undone.

The objective is to shore up our ally states while appropriate counter actions and forces can be put into place. All this takes time as emergency infrastructure is put into place.

Some good points, agreed. Despots yes! Many in Europe, no. With that said on a geopolitical level, yes far too many despots. Some closer to home than we think! Autocracy/Authoritarianism is on the rise. It's not a good place to be. for us all.

Thankfully and very recently those Western Democracies have again seen the value of NATO, Allies and old allegiances. We must all stick together.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

I've been a bit wary of polls since 2016.

Brilliant. I'm with you there.

 

[TJ Hooker]

Who says the majority of the US population is against fracking? Fact of the matter is that the US was energy independant just a few years ago for the first time since the early 1960's. We in the US have been witnessing the consequences for the past year now of what happens when you shut down two major oil pipelines while banning drilling & fracking on US federal land.

I'm not sure how exactly you're defining "energy independence", but if it's 'petroleum exports >= imports" then the US still is energy independent as per the latest data available.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

BTW, I'd just like to say, what a brilliant example of Tom's community and forum members. Kudos to all for staying pretty much on topic, having some different points of view which can make us all pause for thought, and having a dialogue without getting carried away, or being insulting. Not letting political ideology get in the way of a discourse. I've really enjoyed hearing your points of view. Thank you for listening to mine! This is why I joined Tom's forum in 2009. Probably the best example anywhere on any website where you can have these discussions.

Peace out peeps! Happy Friday! (as best as we can manage that!)