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All of the MS Office buy-once software will probably keep working, and something like 60%-70% of Microsoft's PC customers refuse to take a downgrade to Windows 11, even when offered for 'free'.

So with people forced to switch back to a superior version of the software, which they might already own, it looks like the only people with any sort of problem here, are the greedy Microsoft execs who still refuse to acknowledge that all of their current products (esp Windows 11), are awful, poorly thought out, poorly executed, WFH COVID garbage that nobody wants. By forcing customers out of their comfort zones with a "use it or lose it" ultimatum, people are going to choose "lose it".

It is a mistake for MS to kill Windows 10 before clearing house in leadership, going back to the drawing board, and pushing out a more "Windows-like" GUI in Windows 12. Like imagine if they killed Windows 7 when their only other option was Windows 8 (which for as bad it was, it at least was more responsive, faster animated, less bloated, and less buggy than Windows 11.)
 
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What a position Microsoft has willingly or unwillingly stepped into with this.

On the one hand I can see Microsoft doing the cutoff when Windows 10 EOL comes as how will they control non patched future PC's still running Windows 10 without patches .

On the other hand If your spending the $30. for extended security patches than you should not be cut off with Microsoft 360.

But than the question always goes back to what about the unpatched users out there.

A very cleaver loop to the only answer is to move to Windows 11 if you want Microsoft 360.

Okay I can understand that as well.

So if your a business paying for Windows 10 security updates and use Microsoft 360 you too will fall into this clever trap.
It seems all roads lead back to moving over to Windows 11.

And just to be clear I don't have an issue with Windows 11 that's not my point.

What else will users loose by making the choice to extend security updates on Windows 10 for the extra year for $30.00
Again it seems like a very cleaver trap.
 
Ooo... this is about to be a fun one at work!

We're still running Precisions with Skylake Xeons, which apparently have TPM 2.0 but are still not considered officially supported devices for Windows 11. We looked into new workstations last year and I was asked for input on what I'd want, only to later be told that once they priced things out it was determined that new workstations weren't the budget at the moment.

And of course, IT has since ripped out all the installs of Office 201X across the company and replaced all of them with Office 365.

So our options seem to be that we force Win11 onto the unsupported workstations and the unsupported CPU/OS combo renders them no longer a validated platform for the CAD and simulation software they run, we fork over the money for new workstations that are on the QVL list for our software and go through the migration nightmare on MS's timing... or we do something very dumb, like issue KVMs and a second PC for MS Office work, or declare that the fleet of loaner laptops for field use and WFH (that are known to be insufficient for certain things) are now everyone's primary machine.
 
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hotaru251 said:
Honestly I'd love to see a class action lawsuit agasint MS as this is effectively an unheard of amount of e-waste when a ton of it is still good and just being trashed because software choice.
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You would have seen a lawsuit against Google for Chromebooks already then as every one of those devices has an expiration date of 3 to 5 years on them (they may be longer now). Once I found that my 3 year old Chromebook was "EOL", I swore I would never buy another Chromebook and I haven't. The e-waste is epic.
 
So... I have paid for 365 family up until mid-2027.
Is Microsoft going to give me my money back, or what are they going to do?
Every time Microsoft efs up their customers with more backwards decisions, it pushes me over more and more towards removing them out of the equation. Netflix already pushed me over, went to Emby, haven't looked back.

I already have a 72 TB NAS and a 24 TB backup NAS... The only reason I'm maintaining 365 Family pack is due to OneDrive's convenience.

This is seriously making me think to go from MSOffice to LibreOffice (which was never an issue), and from OneDrive to Synology Drive (which I haven't used before because OneDrive was working OK). And for me... I might give Linux a try again. I'll see what I do with the rest of the family's PCs.
 
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hotaru251 said:
Honestly I'd love to see a class action lawsuit agasint MS as this is effectively an unheard of amount of e-waste when a ton of it is still good and just being trashed because software choice.
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The class action lawsuit is called its time to switch to Linux so they can't just abuse users such as yourself again at another future time.
 
Alvar Miles Udell said:
Also the blog post in question has been removed by Microsoft.
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Archive has it.

https://web.archive.org/web/2025011...to-windows-11-for-a-limited-time-only/4275494

Make sure to pause your browser during loading, it goes blank while you are in the middle of reading the message:
If you still want to hold on to Windows 10 you will have to enroll to the Windows 10 Extended Security Updates (ESU) Program which is a paid program. You can learn more about the program by following the link: Extended Security Updates (ESU) program for Windows 10. Lastly, Microsoft 365 Apps will no longer be supported after October 14, 2025, on Windows 10 devices. To use Microsoft 365 Applications on your device, you will need to upgrade to Windows 11. Listed below are the following steps to upgrade your device.
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Being in the same paragraph, it even seems to imply that enrolled W10ESU customers are cut off from M365.

Wow. Just wow.

With the blog entry being taken down, I bet Microsoft already had their phone lines melted.
 
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Just two days ago I decided not to renew my subscription.
Microsoft just keeps getting worse and worse.

Building a local NAS this weekend and taking everything out of their cloud.
 
edzieba said:
Likely because it's just straight up incorrect.
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Still, I think that this:

Support for Windows 10 will end on October 14, 2025. After that date, if you're running Microsoft 365 on a Windows 10 device, the applications will continue to function as before. However, we strongly recommend upgrading to Windows 11 to avoid performance and reliability issues over time.

might mean that they won't try too hard to ensure compatibility so the apps may stop working or start malfunctioning overnight.
 
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kaalus said:
A person needs to have their head checked if they are subscribed to Office365, or any other Microsoft cloud product. Quit now. Google Drive ecosystem, while still proprietary, is not abusing their customers, is better designed, offers a generous free tier and is faster and more reliable to boot. It will not be forcing you to upgrade either, you can use it with Windows 7, probably even Windows XP if you wanted to. Not to mention MacOS, all Linuxes and in fact every single OS that supports a modern browser.
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Drive stuff even works correctly in Firefox, though I haven't had much problem with Onedrive in Firefox (I use Libreoffice for most "Office" things).

The Onedrive connection with MS 3605 is a worry, though. I use it for limited file sharing between computers running Windows 10 and 11, and Linux Mint. If Onedrive access from 10 is shut off in October, that's a problem, since I have 2 computers that can't run 11 but remain in use for odd jobs. One can easily be switched to full-time Linux (dual-booting with Mint now); just ditch the Win10 partitions and expand Linux after moving the limited local data. The other is just too much trouble to switch (limited RAM, 64-bit CPU but 32-bit UEFI) - apparently can be done, but a real hassle.

Longer term, I might be in the market for a small NAS at home to entirely replace Onedrive for local sharing, and might make more use of my free-tier Drive and Dropbox accounts for remote access. Sneakernet with USB sticks works too...
 
jlake3 said:
Ooo... this is about to be a fun one at work!

We're still running Precisions with Skylake Xeons, which apparently have TPM 2.0 but are still not considered officially supported devices for Windows 11. We looked into new workstations last year and I was asked for input on what I'd want, only to later be told that once they priced things out it was determined that new workstations weren't the budget at the moment.

And of course, IT has since ripped out all the installs of Office 201X across the company and replaced all of them with Office 365.

So our options seem to be that we force Win11 onto the unsupported workstations and the unsupported CPU/OS combo renders them no longer a validated platform for the CAD and simulation software they run, we fork over the money for new workstations that are on the QVL list for our software and go through the migration nightmare on MS's timing... or we do something very dumb, like issue KVMs and a second PC for MS Office work, or declare that the fleet of loaner laptops for field use and WFH (that are known to be insufficient for certain things) are now everyone's primary machine.
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I assume you just mean your department or team but that your org's IT department has some kind of PC lifecycle program? I guess I fail to see how this late in the game (Windows 11 was released Oct 2021 and requirements were solidified at that time, so we knew what had to happen by W10's death date of 14 Oct 2025) that there will still be enterprise hardware that hasn't been budgeted for replacement. I say that realizing that plenty of orgs don't have deep pockets, but Microsoft forced everyone's hand; what else can be done besides switch to Linus or Mac??

Looks like the answer is spending a bunch of money on Windows 10 ESU's. :/

It's absolutely horrific what Microsoft has done, but some kind of action has to be taken -- IT burying their heads in the sand isn't the answer.
 
voyteck said:
Still, I think that this:

Support for Windows 10 will end on October 14, 2025. After that date, if you're running Microsoft 365 on a Windows 10 device, the applications will continue to function as before. However, we strongly recommend upgrading to Windows 11 to avoid performance and reliability issues over time.

might mean that they won't try too hard to ensure compatibility so the apps may stop working or start malfunctioning overnight.
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Correct; the apps should still function for awhile (several months to a year-ish?) -- they're just saying it's not supported, just like security updates won't be provided after that date and OS support (trouble tickets) are bye-bye.

Microsoft's support paradigm is just complete B.S. They are really on the pinnacle of users not owning anything they have. Before long, desktop Windows will truly get rammed in the rear with M$ trying to push everyone to cloud-only, i.e. only Windows 365 and M365. That's their victorious long-game end-state -- becoming more like ChromeOS and leaving physical hardware to Apple and Linux.
 
jg.millirem said:
I pay for 365 mainly for the 1 TB cloud storage.
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Me too. I'm no looking for alternative cloud storage options and will switch to regular office even if I do run Windows 11, I'm done with 365 and that was also made an easy decision now they've forced copilot BS onto 365 and increased prices as a result.
 
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