I just wish we could get a mo thly unlime\ited subscription to Windows Me for only $14.95 per month. That would really be AWESOME!
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[citation][nom]SAL-e[/nom]Good job by MS! They successfully able to hide the "800 pound gorilla" in the room. What will happen with your DRM encrypted music on Zune when they decide to pull the plug?! Everyone already forgot what happen to all users that had MSN Music subscriptions?!Apple finally started offering DRM free music, but at higher price and the default is still DRM crap.So you are getting ripped-off any way.[/citation]
glad you pointed out that subscription based music sux, but itunes is now all drm free, with some songs being $1.30 and others at $.99. the reason they riased the price was that more people will buy the entire album to inflate album sales since executives were noticing most people just buying singles rather than an entire album.
glad you pointed out that subscription based music sux, but itunes is now all drm free, with some songs being $1.30 and others at $.99. the reason they riased the price was that more people will buy the entire album to inflate album sales since executives were noticing most people just buying singles rather than an entire album.
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[citation][nom]stlunatic[/nom]Why not just download mp3s off the internet for free?[/citation]
LOL This is of course how most people fill a 120 gig ipod. Here is the interesting question: suppose you couldn't? Suppose piracy was impossible and you had two choices, either $15 a month for an all you can eat subscription or a buck a song? Who you gonna go with then? Rumor has it you can join Zune for a two week free sub and download a zillion songs and then crack them to mp3 for personal use . . .
LOL This is of course how most people fill a 120 gig ipod. Here is the interesting question: suppose you couldn't? Suppose piracy was impossible and you had two choices, either $15 a month for an all you can eat subscription or a buck a song? Who you gonna go with then? Rumor has it you can join Zune for a two week free sub and download a zillion songs and then crack them to mp3 for personal use . . .
[citation][nom]duckmanx88[/nom]..., but itunes is now all drm free, with some songs being $1.30 and others at $.99. [/citation]
Ops... I forgot that Apple promised that and they did it. They have closed the cheap $.79 store and now only iTunes Plus DRM-free store is available. Thank you for pointing it out.
Ops... I forgot that Apple promised that and they did it. They have closed the cheap $.79 store and now only iTunes Plus DRM-free store is available. Thank you for pointing it out.
[citation][nom]notherdude[/nom]suppose you couldn't? Suppose piracy was impossible and you had two choices, either $15 a month for an all you can eat subscription or a buck a song? [/citation]
No piracy!, OK
[citation][nom]notherdude[/nom]Who you gonna go with then? Rumor has it you can join Zune for a two week free sub and download a zillion songs and then crack them to mp3 for personal use . . .[/citation]
How the hell you going to crack the DRM if there is no pirates around?! Oh you just become pirate #1. I love your argument!
No piracy!, OK
[citation][nom]notherdude[/nom]Who you gonna go with then? Rumor has it you can join Zune for a two week free sub and download a zillion songs and then crack them to mp3 for personal use . . .[/citation]
How the hell you going to crack the DRM if there is no pirates around?! Oh you just become pirate #1. I love your argument!
[citation][nom]christop[/nom]I filled mine up for free and didn't steal the music.. Ripp your cds then add them to itunes... Good job trying to say 30 g for ipod fill up... Stupid sales point[/citation]
and how much did you pay for those CDs? hmmmmm? woulda been less over a subscription account.
and how much did you pay for those CDs? hmmmmm? woulda been less over a subscription account.
I smell a FUD eh?
Microsoft should also say that by paying $14.99 a month, not everyone is going to download that many MP3s. Some people like me build their libraries slowly. Hell, I don't even have 3 GB worth of music yet. However, I would transcode videos to watch on an iPod if I ever do get one.
Microsoft should also say that by paying $14.99 a month, not everyone is going to download that many MP3s. Some people like me build their libraries slowly. Hell, I don't even have 3 GB worth of music yet. However, I would transcode videos to watch on an iPod if I ever do get one.
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For those having problems with MP3s downloading to your iPod, you should be using the M4A format. Far better codec/tech specs, and it is not bound by DRM or other security issues.
I am currently converting a library of 2500 CDs to M4A, and 1200 LPs to the same format. I have no idea how much space it will take. All of my music is legal. Anyone who pays full price for a CD does not know how to play the system...most notably BMG. My average cost per CD is about $2.50. None of my music is pirated. Like most things MS related the $30K price tag is a bunch of shit. I have been buying music since 1966 so it is a moot point for me.
The iPod is used for both video and music. I have seen many iPod's maxed out with movies and a few songs. The reality is that very few, if any consumers would even come close to filling an iPod solely with music...nor would they want to.
What concerns me about the monthly MS fee is the fine print. Knowing how I have been screwed by purchasing MS products in the past, I cannot help but think there is some caveat in there waiting to be triggered. I will pass. Regarding what I shall buy: iPod or Zune? To be honest MS needs to start selling me on the quality of their own products and not on the inflated miss-givings of their opponents. In six months...it will either be a Zune or iPod.
I am currently converting a library of 2500 CDs to M4A, and 1200 LPs to the same format. I have no idea how much space it will take. All of my music is legal. Anyone who pays full price for a CD does not know how to play the system...most notably BMG. My average cost per CD is about $2.50. None of my music is pirated. Like most things MS related the $30K price tag is a bunch of shit. I have been buying music since 1966 so it is a moot point for me.
The iPod is used for both video and music. I have seen many iPod's maxed out with movies and a few songs. The reality is that very few, if any consumers would even come close to filling an iPod solely with music...nor would they want to.
What concerns me about the monthly MS fee is the fine print. Knowing how I have been screwed by purchasing MS products in the past, I cannot help but think there is some caveat in there waiting to be triggered. I will pass. Regarding what I shall buy: iPod or Zune? To be honest MS needs to start selling me on the quality of their own products and not on the inflated miss-givings of their opponents. In six months...it will either be a Zune or iPod.
[citation][nom]rooket[/nom]14.99/mo that isn't bad, I didn't know that such a service existed. I wonder if those are wma files. Sounds like it beats the hell out of apple's store.[/citation]
With all deals like this you have some catches. You only get to keep the songs while you have the service (unless you crack them), but you get 10 songs a month to keep forever. So it is like buying a CD a month and getting to sample all the music you want.
With all deals like this you have some catches. You only get to keep the songs while you have the service (unless you crack them), but you get 10 songs a month to keep forever. So it is like buying a CD a month and getting to sample all the music you want.
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Just to clarify, this is a quote from https://zunestore.net/us/catalog/ZuneCardDetails.aspx?sc=passes(ZuneCatalog):
kidamnesiac
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sorry, url above didn't post:
https://zunestore.net/us/catalog/ZuneCardDetails.aspx?sc=passes(ZuneCatalog)
https://zunestore.net/us/catalog/ZuneCardDetails.aspx?sc=passes(ZuneCatalog)
Wow, not very smart on Microsoft's part. If someone stops paying their subscription fee, they stop getting all that music. Given that we're in a recession right now and a lot of people are worried about losing their jobs, this is probably a bad time to point out that your product is based on a subscription fee while your competitor's product is not.
[citation][nom]benfea[/nom]Wow, not very smart on Microsoft's part. If someone stops paying their subscription fee, they stop getting all that music. Given that we're in a recession right now and a lot of people are worried about losing their jobs, this is probably a bad time to point out that your product is based on a subscription fee while your competitor's product is not.[/citation]
You are forgeting the fact that you get to keep 10 songs a month. Yes it is a little more at $1.50 for the songs you keep, but you get to have all the songs you want while you have the service.
You are forgeting the fact that you get to keep 10 songs a month. Yes it is a little more at $1.50 for the songs you keep, but you get to have all the songs you want while you have the service.
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It would only cost you that much if you bought only songs and no videos. And most people who buy and ipod with over 80gb already have a very large music collection. I have purchased over 90gb of media from itunes and have paid only 700 for it all.
[citation][nom]SAL-e[/nom]Good job by MS! They successfully able to hide the "800 pound gorilla" in the room. What will happen with your DRM encrypted music on Zune when they decide to pull the plug?! Everyone already forgot what happen to all users that had MSN Music subscriptions?!Apple finally started offering DRM free music, but at higher price and the default is still DRM crap.So you are getting ripped-off any way.[/citation]
Hmmm I learned something... are the iTune songs really DRM free now? What does that actually mean? I stopped buying iTunes music because previously it allowed only 7 burns to a CD. I make a lot of mix cds and hated running into that limit (there are ways around it but it's too much work). Someone got details on the non-DRM tunes? I've been bashing iTunes for the longest time but I may reconsider iTunes if they are truly DRM free.
Hmmm I learned something... are the iTune songs really DRM free now? What does that actually mean? I stopped buying iTunes music because previously it allowed only 7 burns to a CD. I make a lot of mix cds and hated running into that limit (there are ways around it but it's too much work). Someone got details on the non-DRM tunes? I've been bashing iTunes for the longest time but I may reconsider iTunes if they are truly DRM free.
[citation][nom]starryman[/nom]Hmmm I learned something... are the iTune songs really DRM free now? What does that actually mean? I stopped buying iTunes music because previously it allowed only 7 burns to a CD. I make a lot of mix cds and hated running into that limit (there are ways around it but it's too much work). Someone got details on the non-DRM tunes? I've been bashing iTunes for the longest time but I may reconsider iTunes if they are truly DRM free.[/citation]
I don't use iTunes software so I don't have full details, but as far I know the songs now are not encrypted any more. That means that you can play the file on any device or software that support .AAC file format. The file format is still proprietary and limit the number of devices and programs that can read it, but at least now you can convert the file to more standard file format like MP3 or OGG. Please note that that .AAC is compression with lost so quality of converted file will be lower no matter what format you are using. Personally I use FLAC, but it eats storage space quickly.
There is catch. The files are "watermarked" so if you get smart and publish them on bit-torrent the copy could be traced back to you.
I don't use iTunes software so I don't have full details, but as far I know the songs now are not encrypted any more. That means that you can play the file on any device or software that support .AAC file format. The file format is still proprietary and limit the number of devices and programs that can read it, but at least now you can convert the file to more standard file format like MP3 or OGG. Please note that that .AAC is compression with lost so quality of converted file will be lower no matter what format you are using. Personally I use FLAC, but it eats storage space quickly.
There is catch. The files are "watermarked" so if you get smart and publish them on bit-torrent the copy could be traced back to you.
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[citation][nom]bustapr[/nom]And you'll get a ticket if you dont clean up after your dog...Piratebay is not 100% ilegal either since you can upload your user created stuff. Thing is, if I created a song with my band and didnt copy anything, its legaly mine. Im not going to demand piratebay because people downloaded my song that I uploaded to the sight, I put it there for reason. piratebay is where it is because people uploaded songs that were not legaly theirs. itunes is legal because they have an official licence to sell their music.[/citation]
did you seriously try to rebuttal by saying clean up after your dog's piss? what you carry a roll of bounty?
fail of the day
did you seriously try to rebuttal by saying clean up after your dog's piss? what you carry a roll of bounty?
fail of the day
ATTN: Microsoft. You're of course assuming that people exclusively buy all their music on the iTunes store. Nice try, good luck on your further smear campaign efforts.
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Gosh, I'd hate to think how much it cost to fill my music library! Between the vinyl albums, reel-to-reel and cassette tapes, the CDs, the DVDs, and the stuff just on a hard-disk, I'm sure it's well over an average family's annual income. Some of it is irreplaceable (e.g. "direct to disk" or from the 1930's through 1970's.) And, yes, I have a reel-to-reel player and a linear-tracking turntable.
Microsoft is a sore loser... they have no creativity... they buy innovation... they're on the way out... in 10 years Microsoft will be a shadow of what it is today. Plus their Internet products are so unsafe only a fool would use them... heck why not just put your financial and personal information public.
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