Microsoft Already Starting on Windows 8

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Dman7 wrote:
"Dudes the version of 7 in Windows 7 represents the kernel versions that was traversed since the 1st Microsoft OS. So Windows 7 has the 7th kernel version."

This is correct. There is even a video of the first demonstration of Windows 7 where they explained it.
 
[citation][nom]arvedui[/nom]One of the main things I want is pure x64 versions, no more of this "Do you want 32 bit or 64 bit - oh, 64 bit isn't available, too bad! Now you can't use the full 6 GB of RAM you have!"[/citation]

I agree, and they should have done it with Windows 7 already. But they ARE doing it with Windows Server 2008 R2 - it is 64bit only. 32bit apps mostly run just fine on those PCs, and by the time Win8 is out application virtualization will be common enough to be included in base OS (I hope).. So it won't matter if you're running 64bit Windows 8 - any application from older version of Windows will work just fine.

But let's first wait and see what RTM Windows 7 brings us, shall we? :)
 
m$ started the work on the "next" windblow$ version after the monumental vi$hta (aka DRM o$) flop. "$even" is just an interim contingency plan (aka vi$hta SP2 w/lipstick - 6.1 means exactly that) for the dumb con$umer - maybe he'll gulp the bait - hook, line, and sinker - and shell out some more $$$.
Maybe, by just an extremely slim chance, if m$ would let away it's characteristic greed - don't really count on that - "8ight" won't be 6.2.
 
I hope win7 will have a built in dosbox like thing - but for running 16bit windows applications. I've recently realized that despite most of my older games being 32bit, many of the installation programs are still 16 bit, so I can't actually install the games.

Good thing there's vmware - but not everything works in vmware. Heroes of might and magic 4 works just fine, but need for speed 3 only works in software mode, and quite a few games not at all.
 
If you built a light bulb that lasted 1000 years, how long would light bulb companies be in business? If you build an OS that does everything you need it to for the next 1000 years, how long would OS manufacturers be in business?

Planned obsolescence is the nature of commercial enterprise. Do they want to make something that lasts a life time? Heck no - they only want to make something that will barely outlast the competition.

This is why open source software is becoming more and more appealing to me. They step out of the traditional closed commercial enterprise that dominates software. Also, doesn't open source represent the ideal that people want - free, modifiable, customizable, anti-DRM, and utilitarian? (Yet everyone still wants to play their DRM loaded games and movies, so they stick with funding what they are opposed to rather than telling manufacturers to make content for the platform they want or go without the sales income...)
 
Most of the stuff that they are talking about in terms of Windows 8 seem to be things that the normal consumer would never use. It seems to me that people are getting in a fuss about the next Windows OS when it is pretty clear that what they are working on is the successor to windows server 2008. How many in home customers will have the need to replicate one way. The article even said that it would revolutionise file access in BRANCH OFFICES. That alone screams server edition.
 
O-ow!
When Windows says they're onto something revolutionary, that means you better go with Win7!
Everything they called 'revolutionary' has been nothing but a flop, or resource eating tools that prove totally worthless!

I suspect MS is definitely not going for a minimalistic approach in 8.
And most likely it'll result in an OS with larger footprint than win7; perhaps even larger than Vista.

Unfortunately I see absolutely no benefit in any OS above XP as far as office is concerned.
 
I'm neither surprised nor upset. Microsoft released Windows 95 in like '98 or '99 then we got Windows 98, then Windows ME, and finally XP all in a span of about 4 years.
 
[citation][nom]Upendra09[/nom]If Windows 7 is supposed to better than vista, then it will be like XP right? All more reliable and such. Then using the same scenario, won't Windows 8 also be a flop?[/citation]


It would seem so, following their "sucks, good, sucks, good" release cycle.
 
Whelp, they started on Vista soon after they released XP, and XP wasn't usable for many before SP1. Of course, even though they started that early their original direction was a mess and despite numerous delays many promised features were/are absent from Vista. Now that they've somewhat organized the chaos I hope that an early start with Win 8 will make their next OS stable and have a more positive, rather than negative, reaction on its release.
 
The reason Windows development takes so much longer than other OSes (including Mac), is because it needs to be everything to everyone (or at least 90% of users). One of the great things to come out of Vista that addresses this is the Basic>Premium>Ultimate Edition model.

Now Redmond can crank out features fast and furious (i.e. potentially buggy, but who cares as long as they patch it later) and simply divvy them up according to Edition.

One thing that would help a lot is cutting legacy and 32-bit support, but they can't do that, yet. IT departments everywhere would cry foul, along with 50% of home users. What they should do is emphasize educating the users so that they can finally be weened off of XP. The future is now, adapt or die...
 
Anyone know if Windows 7 alleviates issues people were having with Vista? I saw a lot of people complaining that their old printers and scanners were not compatable with Vista.
 
[citation][nom]Master Exon[/nom]We should start a petition to make Windows 7 64bit only. And Microsoft should only make new OSs for every bit upgrade.[/citation]

That would put them out of business since they aren't wizards that need one time money. think about it before u post
 
I'm just worried with what crap Windows will bloat Win8 this time.
More aero? Something else we've been doing perfectly fine living without?
More inventions for inventions sake?

I think they better work on improving paint, making Windows Media player light and quick, getting some better visuals on defrag, scandisk, work on a decent firewall built in and perhaps even a basic anti-virus.
Not every pc needs to be protected against the newest viruses. Some older anti-virus packages might be strong enough to prevent basic viruses created through a network or disk error.
The more advanced, more on-purpose created viruses by virus companies are not really a threat unless they are infused in a machine (meaning out of regular day to day job you won't ordinarily get those viruses, unless hacked, infected by a worm, or going on suspicious sites or being infected by infected banners or commercial (commercial = SPAM STALKING in 99,999%).
 
[citation][nom]ProDigit80[/nom]I'm just worried with what crap Windows will bloat Win8 this time.More aero? Something else we've been doing perfectly fine living without?More inventions for inventions sake?I think they better work on improving paint, making Windows Media player light and quick, getting some better visuals on defrag, scandisk, work on a decent firewall built in and perhaps even a basic anti-virus.Not every pc needs to be protected against the newest viruses. Some older anti-virus packages might be strong enough to prevent basic viruses created through a network or disk error.The more advanced, more on-purpose created viruses by virus companies are not really a threat unless they are infused in a machine (meaning out of regular day to day job you won't ordinarily get those viruses, unless hacked, infected by a worm, or going on suspicious sites or being infected by infected banners or commercial (commercial = SPAM STALKING in 99,999%).[/citation]

Are you ok? Smoke something bad? Might need to get more sleep.
 
What windows should do is make their OS less demanding on the processor and have it be more efficient. They also need to stop making so expensive, Vista ultimate costs almost $400 and that was before the SP, why spend $400 on an OS that is total crap!!??
 
FlayerSlayer is right. But let me get this 100% correct:

The DOS line:
1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 4.0 (95), 4.1 (98), 4.5 (Me)

The NT line:
NT 3.1, NT 3.5, NT 3.51, NT 4.0, NT 5.0 (2000), NT 5.1 (XP), NT 5.2 (S2003 & XP64), 6.0 (Vista & S2008), 6.1 (7 & S2008 R2)

Windows 8 will not have the NT kernel anymore as the article stated.
 
[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]And Intel's Core i7 isn't exactly the 7th generation either, but they got away with the naming It should be...Core i12! (486 = 4, Pentium = 5, Pentium 2 = 6, Pentium 3 = 7, Pentium 4 = 8, Pentium D = 9, Core = 10, Core 2 = 11, Core i7 = 12)[/citation]

486 = 4
penta = 5, so pentium 1 - 4 was like 5.1 - 5.4
core = 6 so c2d was 6.2
i7 = 7, but now i'm screwed, i5?
 
[citation][nom]Cryogenic[/nom]Since when rewriting the OS core is called a service pack?> The core engine is also being reworked to provide dramatic performance improvements[/citation]

The Core / Kernel is re-worked all of the time in the Linux world... If they called it a new Windows OS every time they re-worked the core/kernel they would be on Windows 7,637,528,984b. Just my thoughts.
 
[citation][nom]Upendra09[/nom]That would put them out of business since they aren't wizards that need one time money. think about it before u post[/citation]
Are you retarded? Microsoft makes revenue on almost every retail computer sold.
 
For those complaining about aero, turn it off and stop complaining about microsoft coming out with new features. I agree in that for me personally, i don't need aero so i turn it off. But other people do like it, and should we tell microsoft to stop being innovative and stop bringing new ideas and features into their OS? I think that is a big NO. Why do game developers keep trying to improve upon graphics? It's all just "eye candy" right? I think not. There is no inventions for inventions sake. Everything was done with a purpose, and that purpose was to draw more appeal to people (just like awesome looking video games). So telling microsoft to stop being innovative is not the path to take, unless you insist upon living in the year 2001.

Instead, we just need to make sure that future OS's give the user the ability to customize which features are taxing his/her system. If we don't want any of the eye candy, we should be able to turn it off. I can use vista with all of the little extras without any hiccups, but i choose to disable them because it does feel snappier.

I know this has been discussed before, but wasn't xp a very poor performing OS for a long long time? What service pack is it on, SP3? So yes XP should be very stable, but if your hardware is somewhat decent, you should be able to run Vista fine. IMHO, windows 7 is just the next SP that Microsoft isn't going to call a SP so that they can charge all of the vista owners for the better performing OS By the way where is SP2 for vista? Is it ever going to come out?

And as for Win8, it does seem like a server edition. But i would not be surprised if Microsoft is already working on Windows8/next home version of windows. They should be, as long as it is not interfering with their optimizations of vista and windows7(we need good SP's, or just perfect OS's on the first try)
 
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