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seriously what is wrong with you people. you think once windows 8 comes out they are somehow going to instantly get rid of windows 7 or XP?

seems to me this is more like the linux fanbois have found a weakness and are hammering the MS community about it like Jehovah witnesses storming neighbourhood's early in the morning :lol:
 


No, not everybody. I don't like it and many of my friends too. I am quite sure there is more people since there is a lot of programs for Classic Menu !!!
 
windows 8 i would shot myself in the head before ever using that ms crap lol what a waste of time and money making it there development department should flagged as terrorist for trying to blow up our pc's lmao windows 7 & xp all the way baby best OS ever
 
I have just had the opportunity to test the latest release of Windows 8 and I had no problem installing a third party program to add the start button back. (ClassicShellSetup_3_5_0).

Some observations of the latest version of Windows 8.

Some wireless drivers no longer work on the latest version although they did on previous versions. There are no games included in the latest version, no doubt in order to force you into downloading them from the app store. If a app on Metro crashes it can cause some other apps not to work until you reset the computer. If you are not connected to the internet then Metro is useless.
I imagine that Metro will appeal to younger users, but for everyone else that uses the computer for work it is a distraction.
 
I bet this will help Google with Chromebook sales. Windows 8 is terrible they have us using it as a test environment at work, when I go home I logon to my Chromebook and am much happier. As an IT Tech Windows 8 is terrible. I cannot imagine how our end users will take it.
 
I got to call my 401k manager and be sure he gets me out of anything with shares of MS until after they crash and burn. Then I can buy them cheap for when they go live with Xbox. They need to fire Steve that guy is a idiot!
 
To the death of windows..

Businesses will not switch to Win8 due to retraining costs and the insane IT nightmare -- Someone really screwed the pooch on this one. It'll just improve the mac and linux market share. Most businesses now days use a lot of web based apps so there are very few reasons why business even needs microshaft to begin with.
 
Why the hell are they adding metro to windows Server 2012?? What a stupid move, as if some network admininstrator wanted to check the weather and stocks while managing a server...
 
So I suppose Microsoft's new jingle will be "This is were we want you to go today"
 
I'm not a Linux fanboy, but I love my Android phone.
If someone could come out with a Linux OS that looked, felt, was as easy to use, had good driver support and played games like Windows 7 (Steam support, easy install off of disks, good performance) I'm sure you'd have people willing to jump over by the boatload.
Its been a while since I messed with Linux because I like to play games on my pc and at the time Linux gaming was an oxymoron right up there with jumbo shrimp and military intelligence.
As long as you have to run WINE, Trans Gaming, Cedega, Crossover, PlayOnLinux, you're not going to hit the masses because an OS should just run the games without an enduser having to install a program to run the games. We're lazy.
But yeah, have to agree, its a golden opportunity for Linux waiting to happen, but its not going to happen on its own.
 
[citation][nom]dauntekong[/nom]Microsoft Windows 8 sales data: Day one of realese: Unit sold = 05 years later: Unit Sold = 0Microsoft Finance Director: "Urrr whats wrong with this picture? Did we do something wrong?"[/citation]

One failure in your count. The upcoming days for it to go live has pretty much placed M$ into the mode of telling vendors, "You're shipping Windows 8 on your computers now, no more Windows 7 for machines manufactured AFTER this date: xx/xx/2012"
 
Good hell...get over it. It works just fine. The start menu is a dated mechanic and no one is willing to accept that. What about all these tablets and mobile devices everyone swoons over? They basically have a small desktop cluttered with shortcuts. Applications have always been the highlight of computing....so why are we so convinced that the file management and window arrangement screen is more important than the launch pad for the most used apps?
 
Here we go, guys. Get ready for a change in the tides. This is when Microsoft is going to start wasting money, and then the xbox will be microsofts prime focus in less than 5 years, and they're going to start selling their own iDevice rip offs. They're already locking things down like Apple...
 
MS sure wants to recreate vista for win8 so that when win 9 swoops to save the day, everyone will be like- wow that win9 sure isnt crappy compared to 8.
 
Microsoft has gone into the mindset of the 1970-1980 American car mfg. that they think now that they know better then their customers what car or O.S. in this case to buy.
It might be a good time for apple to put out a good O.S. as they are running the same equipment now that PC's use. If it got good software support I'd change over in a nano.... I use both XP and Win7 because they work and are fairly easy to use.
Why would a company make a O.S. hard to use and restrict it's users if they want to make it easier.
They got some very crazy people over there.
I know Microsoft will again start making software that only runs on windows 8 to force people that use it to shift over to it and they will probably do it aggressively if the O.S. has bad sales. Reminds me of Halo 2 I think, not sure but they put out a game that needed vista or newer to run it. Didn't know it till I opened the box. I know Microsoft is one aggressive and nasty company and won't put anything past them for doing something very very very bad to get sales going on their new and probably bad O.S.....
Heck, I still know a lot of people that have a hard time with windows xp, they just aren't into computers and to try to shove windows 8 at them is just plain crazy. There is still a lot out there that buy a computer and use it and don't want to dig into it's guts every time to make things keep working.

Maybe behind it all is the 8ball... or it's a 8pril fools joke O.S...
It's still kind of funny.
 
Let us prevent potential customers from turning windows 8 into something they would want to buy and use.....?????!
 
Well That Sucks! The four Windows 8 "Desktop" "Users" Are Gonna Be Pretty Pissed!
 
I hope Microsoft is successful in blocking all attempts at any hacks to put back the Windows 7 style Start Menu. It is not needed at all as Windows 8 is great the way it is and no hack is needed. The start menu is still there it is just better and the fact is the way Microsoft has done it has made it easy and faster to run any program that you may need. If people would must try for more than two seconds to us it they would find that out on there own but that does not seem to be the way it is. Hell my 70 year old grandmother can use Windows 8 better than a lot of people that claim to be tech experts and that is really sad!

The facts are plain Windows 8 is easier to us starts up faster shuts down faster has better performance in games and programs has better support for newer hardware better memory management and a better start menu system that makes running any program faster to find and run than any previous Windows period.
 
Imagine the ergonomics issues associated with using a touch-screen in a conventional desktop environment where the screen is raised several inches to a foot above the keyboard and ~2' away from the user's head. I bet my arms would feel like they are about to fall off after a couple of hours of alternating between touch-screen and keyboard, not to mention productivity losses and fatigue from having to much extra hand/arm movement. There may be further losses from having to periodically wipe smudges off the screen.

If you try 'fixing' the distance/arm-travel problem by bringing screens closer to users, you have to lower the screen almost to keyboard height somewhat like a laptop which is going to increase neck strain, which is no good either... and pointless since people use desktops partly to avoid the ergonomically awkward laptop-like setup.
 
Windows 8 works really well, I have tried it. No one likes change. It uses less resources than Windows 7 and it looks cool. I give it a big thumbs up.
 
Windows 8
When I first installed the windows 8 enterprise evaluation, I became so very frustrated that if i had the 10K in the bank to replace all my windows based PC’s and phones around the house with apples products I would have that night. (I originally started out on MAC’s so it’s always a little bit of a temptation to separate work and home with a platform change). If I had not just finished building this nice new PC I might have even taken some joy in making use of some of the demolition tools I have laying around, alas I’m not rich, and the computer is new. The next day I sat down, and eventually was able to manipulate the start page, desktop icons, and task bars to the point where I feel I’m about 70% as productive as I am when I boot up into windows 7. (I expect this to go up as I get more familiar with the system)

The two biggest problems I see with metro are:
1. Metro runs more like a VM. And metro does not support multi monitors.
2. The Metro start screen consumes an entire monitor.

Metro runs like a VM:
Metro apps run inside metro, you can’t have two metro apps up on separate screens. You can drag a metro app where ever you want on your monitors, but as soon as you hit that start page it minimizes the metro app that was open, no having two metro apps open on separate screens. (You can snap them together on one screen though, but this isn’t useful to me) This may be great for a small low power single screen device where it would not be practical to multitask anyway, but on a desktop it’s a productivity killer. With multiple monitors is down right irritating. I don’t see myself using metro apps much.

The Start Screen consumes an entire monitor:
Opening the start screen is just jarring, it’s like that new kid you hired who gets your attention by flipping your light switch on and off then shoves whatever it is that he wants you to see so close to your face that you have to step back just to see what it is. From a focus perspective, it’s just disruptive to workflow and it’s disruptive to any thought process, creative or otherwise. Metro is just not conducive to productivity nor the creative process.

How Microsoft could fix it:
If metro could just slide up, say 1/4 or 1/3 up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen, I’d be ok with it as a menu system. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem like metro’s trying to be a menuing system. It acts more like a virtual machine.

Metro apps should not be restricted to running inside the metro window. They should also stay up and active when the menu is opened. If this means spawning multiple instances of metro then so be it.
How about just allowing me to turn off metro completely, windows 8 is fantastic without metro. I don’t care about the apps store and I don’t need Microsoft to give me a shortcut organizer, I can organize my own or get a nice little utility to do that for me. Portable apps make one that looks remarkably like the start menu but hangs out in the system tray. There is also nu2menu (though I don’t know how well it works with multi monitors or window 8). There are countless others.

How I deal with it:
First off it’s not that hard to just make shortcuts and organize them into folders. I do this on my desktop, along with adding the icons for control panel, documents, and computer, then I add the “desktop” toolbar to my task bar and presto! I have a menu system that’s very similar to the start menu that I can move around to any place on any of the taskbars on my screens, it just says “desktop” on it instead of start. I also pin a lot of items to my multiple task bars (I love this feature and love the multiple task bars just as much).

Secondly when using multiple monitors psychologically you generally have a primary monitor. In windows 8 I’m more aware of the intrusiveness of start page so I make sure to keep what I want to always see on my primary monitor and only bring up the start page on another screen. Planar makes some (comparatively) inexpensive touch screens that might be interesting to use just for metro, so that I can have full use my primary screens.
Server 2012:
I have the preview of server 2012 installed in my Windows 8 Hyper-V environment. I don’t mind, nor really care that it has metro style menu. It’s a server and I don’t use the menu system on my servers all that often. I pin what I need to the task bar or throw a shortcut on the desktop. (Usually control panel, admin tools and the command prompt). That or I script what I need to do and run that. 2012 reminds me a lot of exchange, it’s all Active Directory and PowerShell under the hood, the GUI is just a front end for power shell commands and the GUI lets you see the PowerShell commands before you run them. That’s pretty cool, and reminds me a lot of the Linux systems I use to administer only should work a lot better than the GNOME or KDE interfaces GUI’s. (I always just gave up on them and edited the files myself). Far from pushing people to Linux, server 2012 seems to be becoming more like Linux. Sure 2012 will require a lot of training, but so did 2000 / 2003, and it was a significant improvement over NT4. If you really can’t handle metro being on the system then install server core and throw a menuing program on it. (One would hope server core does not have metro)

Other thoughts:
Windows 8 is largely irrelevant to the business world. Windows 7 is a great product, many have already migrated to windows 7 as part of lease renewals, and downgrade options will keep windows 7 in play for the next round too. In regards to owned systems a fair number of owned XP machines are only moving to windows 7 for end of life / security reasons. The business world knows and is beginning to trust windows 7. By the time windows 7 is close enough to end of life that we start looking to migrate, windows 9 will already be a few years old. Even if windows 8 was a dream for businesses, it would probably still be looked over given product cycles. In the business world computers have been fast enough for a long time and the primary reason to upgrade is the support costs of aging systems.

Windows 2012 will be adopted if its features are useful enough to warrant the training cost, if not then downgrade licenses will be used for 2008r2 and Microsoft will still get its money as the downgrades will still follow the new 2012 licensing agreements. Personally I see 2012 coming into wide service in 2014 or 2015 (after the first or 2nd service pack).
 
F*ck Windows 8 and f*ck Microsoft.

If you see a huge demand for a certain feature and your blatant disregard for those users makes the NEWS, maybe you should rethink your absurd business decisions. Microsoft is the new Apple. Sad.
 
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