Microsoft Fall Update May Be Windows 8.2

[royalcrown]

@RoyalCrown: I'm pretty sure that was simply grammatical ambiguity. He was referring to Windows, no Linux when he made the OSX comment.

Also, to the people talking about the start menu restriction to non-touch, I would virtually guarantee that if it's in the OS it'll be enabled by a simple registry hack sooner or later. Not ideal, I know, but registry hacking is hardly the most difficult thing anyone here has done.

As for cloud OS, the major reason is it's going to be a solution for businesses. Buy a bunch of crap-ass android boxes or something for like 20c a piece, and you can use full-blown Windows for what is probably minimal cost. There's probably going to be a lot of IT controls implemented as well.

I don't see it for much of a consumer solution, it's probably going to be marketed as corporate, sort of like how AWS does double duty, but it was marketed to corporations.

@Queenslander: Yes and no. I'd be willing to try Linux's less polished solution to use if my games library wouldn't be impacted, that's true, but Linux is a geek's operating system that is largely not designed for average users. Sure, they could use it. At the same time though, a lot of the excellent OS features people take for granted are unecessarily difficult to work with or implement in Linux - Shortcuts being a prime example. Some do it well, like Mint, but seriously... why in God's name have they not simply programmed an option to drag an app out of your "start" bar (for lack of a better term) onto the desktop?

Just one of many small usability problems that continually push me back to Windows. If it worked with my games, I'd be happy to have a go at Mint, but it doesn't, and therefore I'm not going to invest the effort.

If only our Windows games ran on OSX...the "Icon-i-ness" of windows and the geeky ambiguity of the unix CLI in terminal....something for both camps.

 

[royalcrown]

"Here at Microsoft, we listen to you and we made windows 8 for you... wait, what do you mean they want a start button?"...

One year later, "Here at Microsoft, we listen to you and we made windows 8.1 for you, wait what do you mean they wanted a start menu to go along with the start button?"...

One year later, "Here at Microsoft, we listen to you and we made windows 8.2 for you... Now here's Windows 9 with a whole new set of problems, so give us more money."

"Because at Microsoft we are making the operating systems you want, because who knows better how to develop an operating system than the general public?... That and we have run out of ideas."

I used to miss the start button too, but my menu was always stupid long anyhow, so I just search or pin those apps I use constantly to the taskbar like I did anyhow. I'll take the tradeoff of the missing start button vs the improvements in the code base (less fat, can fix itself except for network troubleshooter still...that's still useless as crap)

 

[royalcrown]

Hey...whomever voted me down..please show me what you can't do under terminal, that you can do in your favorite distro of linux. As far as those go, I like mint.

Likely some little kiddie fanboi who's never ever used OS X, and thinks it's the world's worst OS becuase it's from Apple. I use MS, OS X, and Unix/Linux daily at work, and at home. I find MS Desktops to be better for General Business, and Gaming, OS X is great for the marketing, creative people, and I use OS X in my "night job as a DJ" as I have yet to have my MBP crash on me. Other DJs I work with who use Windows have their laptops crash quite often during live performances. Embarrasing!!, and we use Unix/Linux for a number of Line of Business applications in conjunction with our windows servers.

Yeah...I found that OSX handled huge amounts of files much better than 7. 7 would always have a stroke and lock when dealing with my 2 tb hardrive full of files, OSX never crashed. OSX seems to have a better network stack than 7 by far too. I can't really test it against 8 because my 2 tb HDD ate it before I upgraded.

 

[canadianvice]

@RoyalCrown: I'm pretty sure that was simply grammatical ambiguity. He was referring to Windows, no Linux when he made the OSX comment.

Also, to the people talking about the start menu restriction to non-touch, I would virtually guarantee that if it's in the OS it'll be enabled by a simple registry hack sooner or later. Not ideal, I know, but registry hacking is hardly the most difficult thing anyone here has done.

As for cloud OS, the major reason is it's going to be a solution for businesses. Buy a bunch of crap-ass android boxes or something for like 20c a piece, and you can use full-blown Windows for what is probably minimal cost. There's probably going to be a lot of IT controls implemented as well.

I don't see it for much of a consumer solution, it's probably going to be marketed as corporate, sort of like how AWS does double duty, but it was marketed to corporations.

@Queenslander: Yes and no. I'd be willing to try Linux's less polished solution to use if my games library wouldn't be impacted, that's true, but Linux is a geek's operating system that is largely not designed for average users. Sure, they could use it. At the same time though, a lot of the excellent OS features people take for granted are unecessarily difficult to work with or implement in Linux - Shortcuts being a prime example. Some do it well, like Mint, but seriously... why in God's name have they not simply programmed an option to drag an app out of your "start" bar (for lack of a better term) onto the desktop?

Just one of many small usability problems that continually push me back to Windows. If it worked with my games, I'd be happy to have a go at Mint, but it doesn't, and therefore I'm not going to invest the effort.

If only our Windows games ran on OSX...the "Icon-i-ness" of windows and the geeky ambiguity of the unix CLI in terminal....something for both camps.

If we're being totally honest, I hate OSX with a firey passion. I'd sooner use Chromium OS.

 

[royalcrown]

@RoyalCrown: I'm pretty sure that was simply grammatical ambiguity. He was referring to Windows, no Linux when he made the OSX comment.

Also, to the people talking about the start menu restriction to non-touch, I would virtually guarantee that if it's in the OS it'll be enabled by a simple registry hack sooner or later. Not ideal, I know, but registry hacking is hardly the most difficult thing anyone here has done.

As for cloud OS, the major reason is it's going to be a solution for businesses. Buy a bunch of crap-ass android boxes or something for like 20c a piece, and you can use full-blown Windows for what is probably minimal cost. There's probably going to be a lot of IT controls implemented as well.

I don't see it for much of a consumer solution, it's probably going to be marketed as corporate, sort of like how AWS does double duty, but it was marketed to corporations.

@Queenslander: Yes and no. I'd be willing to try Linux's less polished solution to use if my games library wouldn't be impacted, that's true, but Linux is a geek's operating system that is largely not designed for average users. Sure, they could use it. At the same time though, a lot of the excellent OS features people take for granted are unecessarily difficult to work with or implement in Linux - Shortcuts being a prime example. Some do it well, like Mint, but seriously... why in God's name have they not simply programmed an option to drag an app out of your "start" bar (for lack of a better term) onto the desktop?

Just one of many small usability problems that continually push me back to Windows. If it worked with my games, I'd be happy to have a go at Mint, but it doesn't, and therefore I'm not going to invest the effort.

If only our Windows games ran on OSX...the "Icon-i-ness" of windows and the geeky ambiguity of the unix CLI in terminal....something for both camps.

If we're being totally honest, I hate OSX with a firey passion. I'd sooner use Chromium OS.

Kinda how I feel towards Linux in general. OSX does have some awful crap...like the DOCK for instance, but it has good bones. I actually like 8.1 enough that my OSX install got wiped.

 

[canadianvice]

Gotta say, I'm still really on the fence about whether I like Windows 8 or not. I've just installed it over Windows 7 (I was lucky - I'm a salesperson so MS gave me a free copy of 8 when it came out) but I find that it's kind of organizationally challenged. Things that should be settings aren't, and things that are usually duplicate others.

I'm hoping that Windows 8 is their trial and W9 ends up more polished. It has potential. Though - the whole "all apps" view is stupid beyond reckoning. I want my games in start, one way or another, and my two options are flood "All Apps" or flood my start screen, both of which are sort of abysmal.

 

[royalcrown]

Gotta say, I'm still really on the fence about whether I like Windows 8 or not. I've just installed it over Windows 7 (I was lucky - I'm a salesperson so MS gave me a free copy of 8 when it came out) but I find that it's kind of organizationally challenged. Things that should be settings aren't, and things that are usually duplicate others.

I'm hoping that Windows 8 is their trial and W9 ends up more polished. It has potential. Though - the whole "all apps" view is stupid beyond reckoning. I want my games in start, one way or another, and my two options are flood "All Apps" or flood my start screen, both of which are sort of abysmal.

Iactually hated windows 8 quite a bit too, if you havent installed the "point one" update, you should do it, it's actually useable now. Also, you can have it start immediately on the desktop after you log in with the .1 update. I just pin my few apps to my taskbar and use search for the other apps. Even without indexing on it usually finds them by the 2nd letter.

 

[canadianvice]

Gotta say, I'm still really on the fence about whether I like Windows 8 or not. I've just installed it over Windows 7 (I was lucky - I'm a salesperson so MS gave me a free copy of 8 when it came out) but I find that it's kind of organizationally challenged. Things that should be settings aren't, and things that are usually duplicate others.

I'm hoping that Windows 8 is their trial and W9 ends up more polished. It has potential. Though - the whole "all apps" view is stupid beyond reckoning. I want my games in start, one way or another, and my two options are flood "All Apps" or flood my start screen, both of which are sort of abysmal.

Iactually hated windows 8 quite a bit too, if you havent installed the "point one" update, you should do it, it's actually useable now. Also, you can have it start immediately on the desktop after you log in with the .1 update. I just pin my few apps to my taskbar and use search for the other apps. Even without indexing on it usually finds them by the 2nd letter.

Technically on W8.1.1, sorry. At least I have options - The Dreamspark program via my University lets me get Windows OS for free, all the way back to Vista, if I wanted to. I figure I'll try it for a bit, but I'm just not sure at the moment :\

 

[Queenslander]

@RoyalCrown: I'm pretty sure that was simply grammatical ambiguity. He was referring to Windows, no Linux when he made the OSX comment.

Also, to the people talking about the start menu restriction to non-touch, I would virtually guarantee that if it's in the OS it'll be enabled by a simple registry hack sooner or later. Not ideal, I know, but registry hacking is hardly the most difficult thing anyone here has done.

As for cloud OS, the major reason is it's going to be a solution for businesses. Buy a bunch of crap-ass android boxes or something for like 20c a piece, and you can use full-blown Windows for what is probably minimal cost. There's probably going to be a lot of IT controls implemented as well.

I don't see it for much of a consumer solution, it's probably going to be marketed as corporate, sort of like how AWS does double duty, but it was marketed to corporations.

@Queenslander: Yes and no. I'd be willing to try Linux's less polished solution to use if my games library wouldn't be impacted, that's true, but Linux is a geek's operating system that is largely not designed for average users. Sure, they could use it. At the same time though, a lot of the excellent OS features people take for granted are unecessarily difficult to work with or implement in Linux - Shortcuts being a prime example. Some do it well, like Mint, but seriously... why in God's name have they not simply programmed an option to drag an app out of your "start" bar (for lack of a better term) onto the desktop?

Just one of many small usability problems that continually push me back to Windows. If it worked with my games, I'd be happy to have a go at Mint, but it doesn't, and therefore I'm not going to invest the effort.

I think we're on the same page. Haha. I just think I'd give Linux a shot because I'm sick of being screwed over by MS. I've never tried Linux, but it can't really be that difficult, and I'm willing to learn...

 

[royalcrown]

@RoyalCrown: I'm pretty sure that was simply grammatical ambiguity. He was referring to Windows, no Linux when he made the OSX comment.

Also, to the people talking about the start menu restriction to non-touch, I would virtually guarantee that if it's in the OS it'll be enabled by a simple registry hack sooner or later. Not ideal, I know, but registry hacking is hardly the most difficult thing anyone here has done.

As for cloud OS, the major reason is it's going to be a solution for businesses. Buy a bunch of crap-ass android boxes or something for like 20c a piece, and you can use full-blown Windows for what is probably minimal cost. There's probably going to be a lot of IT controls implemented as well.

I don't see it for much of a consumer solution, it's probably going to be marketed as corporate, sort of like how AWS does double duty, but it was marketed to corporations.

@Queenslander: Yes and no. I'd be willing to try Linux's less polished solution to use if my games library wouldn't be impacted, that's true, but Linux is a geek's operating system that is largely not designed for average users. Sure, they could use it. At the same time though, a lot of the excellent OS features people take for granted are unecessarily difficult to work with or implement in Linux - Shortcuts being a prime example. Some do it well, like Mint, but seriously... why in God's name have they not simply programmed an option to drag an app out of your "start" bar (for lack of a better term) onto the desktop?

Just one of many small usability problems that continually push me back to Windows. If it worked with my games, I'd be happy to have a go at Mint, but it doesn't, and therefore I'm not going to invest the effort.

I think we're on the same page. Haha. I just think I'd give Linux a shot because I'm sick of being screwed over by MS. I've never tried Linux, but it can't really be that difficult, and I'm willing to learn...

If you get stuck, a good help site that caters to linux noobies is www.linuxquestions.org

They explain things in plain english without assuming you know it already or using linux terms unfamiliar to a noob.

 

[Queenslander]

@RoyalCrown: I'm pretty sure that was simply grammatical ambiguity. He was referring to Windows, no Linux when he made the OSX comment.

Also, to the people talking about the start menu restriction to non-touch, I would virtually guarantee that if it's in the OS it'll be enabled by a simple registry hack sooner or later. Not ideal, I know, but registry hacking is hardly the most difficult thing anyone here has done.

As for cloud OS, the major reason is it's going to be a solution for businesses. Buy a bunch of crap-ass android boxes or something for like 20c a piece, and you can use full-blown Windows for what is probably minimal cost. There's probably going to be a lot of IT controls implemented as well.

I don't see it for much of a consumer solution, it's probably going to be marketed as corporate, sort of like how AWS does double duty, but it was marketed to corporations.

@Queenslander: Yes and no. I'd be willing to try Linux's less polished solution to use if my games library wouldn't be impacted, that's true, but Linux is a geek's operating system that is largely not designed for average users. Sure, they could use it. At the same time though, a lot of the excellent OS features people take for granted are unecessarily difficult to work with or implement in Linux - Shortcuts being a prime example. Some do it well, like Mint, but seriously... why in God's name have they not simply programmed an option to drag an app out of your "start" bar (for lack of a better term) onto the desktop?

Just one of many small usability problems that continually push me back to Windows. If it worked with my games, I'd be happy to have a go at Mint, but it doesn't, and therefore I'm not going to invest the effort.

I think we're on the same page. Haha. I just think I'd give Linux a shot because I'm sick of being screwed over by MS. I've never tried Linux, but it can't really be that difficult, and I'm willing to learn...

If you get stuck, a good help site that caters to linux noobies is www.linuxquestions.org

They explain things in plain english without assuming you know it already or using linux terms unfamiliar to a noob.

Cheers mate. 🙂

 

[Simon Ayres]

"Here at Microsoft, we listen to you and we made windows 8 for you... wait, what do you mean they want a start button?"...

One year later, "Here at Microsoft, we listen to you and we made windows 8.1 for you, wait what do you mean they wanted a start menu to go along with the start button?"...

One year later, "Here at Microsoft, we listen to you and we made windows 8.2 for you... Now here's Windows 9 with a whole new set of problems, so give us more money."

"Because at Microsoft we are making the operating systems you want, because who knows better how to develop an operating system than the general public?... That and we have run out of ideas."

I used to miss the start button too, but my menu was always stupid long anyhow, so I just search or pin those apps I use constantly to the taskbar like I did anyhow. I'll take the tradeoff of the missing start button vs the improvements in the code base (less fat, can fix itself except for network troubleshooter still...that's still useless as crap)

You're the exception not the rule.

 

[canadianvice]

Gotta say, I'm still really on the fence about whether I like Windows 8 or not. I've just installed it over Windows 7 (I was lucky - I'm a salesperson so MS gave me a free copy of 8 when it came out) but I find that it's kind of organizationally challenged. Things that should be settings aren't, and things that are usually duplicate others.

I'm hoping that Windows 8 is their trial and W9 ends up more polished. It has potential. Though - the whole "all apps" view is stupid beyond reckoning. I want my games in start, one way or another, and my two options are flood "All Apps" or flood my start screen, both of which are sort of abysmal.

Iactually hated windows 8 quite a bit too, if you havent installed the "point one" update, you should do it, it's actually useable now. Also, you can have it start immediately on the desktop after you log in with the .1 update. I just pin my few apps to my taskbar and use search for the other apps. Even without indexing on it usually finds them by the 2nd letter.

I ended up reinstalling Windows 7. Windows 8 on desktop is just not there yet, if only because I find its organizational capabilities hinder it greatly. I still think the start menu is the best paradigm out there at the moment, though from my experience with an SP2, I'll be the first to say W8 is very very nice on a touchscreen.