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ThomasKinsley

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We've seen many AI inspired copy/paste replies here, attempting to assist a member with a specific problem.
95+% of them are pure junk.
LOL, I do not mean it that way. I meant for personal use only where you have all the information you can feed the bot yourself and not torment the users here. :)
 

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Right.
But clueless people ARE using it. Even relying on it.
Here and elsewhere.
Yeah, that's definitely not advisable. I view it as a preliminary place to query before asking humans when self troubleshooting, bouncing ideas off of it just to see if anything obvious was overlooked. Although this video is primarily for entertainment, the questions are formulated well for the chatbot to answer.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN_IyPwW0Es
 

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Yeah, that's definitely not advisable. I view it as a preliminary place to query before asking humans when self troubleshooting, bouncing ideas off of it just to see if anything obvious was overlooked. Although this video is primarily for entertainment, the questions are formulated well for the chatbot to answer.
And therein lies the problem.

If you know enough to properly formulate the question, you already know enough to not have to ask the bot.

I've personally seen questions where a single word added or removed changes the bot answer from semi-OK to dangerous.
 
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And therein lies the problem.

If you know enough to properly formulate the question, you already know enough to not have to ask the bot.

I've personally seen questions where a single word added or removed changes the bot answer from semi-OK to dangerous.
I won't dispute this. But it might help to point someone with basic technical knowledge in the right general direction, not to fix their PC themselves per se, but at least to give them more information so they can explain the issue to other humans so they can help solve the problem.
 

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I won't dispute this. But it might help to point someone with basic technical knowledge in the right general direction, not to fix their PC themselves per se, but at least to give them more information so they can explain the issue to other humans so they can help solve the problem.
I've seen more than a few questions here where...
"I asked ChatGPT and..."

And it led them down the wrong path.
 
I won't dispute this. But it might help to point someone with basic technical knowledge in the right general direction, not to fix their PC themselves per se, but at least to give them more information so they can explain the issue to other humans so they can help solve the problem.
I've been a technician in various trades and industries for over 30 years. A good technician asks the correct questions to get the required information. No AI required. I've no doubt there are applications for the technology but this is reaching. People need to explore and understand their world, not let an AI chatbot do tell them everything. Done differently AI could be a valuable teaching and learning tool. All I have seen so far is megacorps struggling to monetize it, and stealing from everyone while they do it.
 

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Already Microsoft Office 365 Subscriber, paid til December 2024 right now, but plan on extending it further, soon as i can possibly for birthday in February
 

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One of the nice things about a sub like this is GPT is continually getting more powerful. It should be able to do more things over time.

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Imagines a Skynet Paperclip meme. "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid Microsoft 365 can't do that."
 

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No surprises. Given the amount of money these companies have thrown at Nvidia to ride on the AI hype train, there will come a time they will try and monetise the service. We are starting to see this trend.
 

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Twenty dollars sounds like a lot, but the costs to run AI are enormous, and M$ really wants to lock in those companies running exploratory tests on generative AI right now.

Microsoft's stock has risen GREATLY on the AI hype, and they really need to start generating revenue based on it or their market share will drop.

If you think $20 is a lot and that makes you mad, you should see what an enterprise pays for a license. *Hint, it's much less
 

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And therein lies the problem.

If you know enough to properly formulate the question, you already know enough to not have to ask the bot.

I've personally seen questions where a single word added or removed changes the bot answer from semi-OK to dangerous.
I have used chatgpt several times a week since it blew up. Mostly for thesaurus/language type questions, consolidation of written word, generation of documents from notes, and general high level researching for topics I am curious about. Google and traditional internet search are very specific. AI is much broader but easier to work with. Is it rough around the edges and untrustworthy? Absolutely. But it has impressed me every time I’ve used it. Mind you I don’t go looking for definitive answers to very specific questions because I wouldn’t expect that to be a strength. But it is incredibly helpful. I hope everyone doesn’t use it so it will continue to be my secret weapon that enhances my productivity. I can’t even count the hours it has saved me and the times I’ve used it to turn something around for a customer.

Now $30 a month though… I don’t know about that. But then how else are they going to monetize it. That still seems very pricey.
 

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Time to access firewall and see if I can block co-pilot from ever talking to Microsoft, who knows what private data they will be unlawfully hovering up in the background ???
Definitely will be tracking all the porn you watch and reporting your fetishes for targeted advertising purposes.
 

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No surprises. Given the amount of money these companies have thrown at Nvidia to ride on the AI hype train, there will come a time they will try and monetise the service. We are starting to see this trend.
They said this about Google, YouTube, and Facebook. This a very new market, but AI is lightning in a bottle to anyone that can find a good reason to use it everyday. Most of them are executives and info workers that both consume and generate tons of data. They’ll find a way.

But the hype train is indeed awful. It reminds me of when “cloud” hit peak BS marketing penetration. AI is being thrown into things where it adds little to no benefit. Microsoft desktop productivity though is very much a solid starting point.
 

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Software rental as a subscription service?
Isn't everyone, like, completely over that business model? Like people are figuring out that it's always a rip-off to the customers, right?
I'm pretty sure the pricing model is why everyone has near universally moved from Premiere Pro to Davinci
Resolve, at least.
I get that some software can easily continue making unlimited money forever from the sheer inertia of forgotten subscriptions and permanent customers who cant cancel because they literally died... but I find it hard to believe new software would be able to attract a new customer base using this rent-seeking behavior.
But maybe it's all just decoy pricing. They're setting us up for when Microsoft goes full supervillain and decides to suddenly force an update that makes 10 billion computers to owe them $300 a year or they'll destroy your property. BUT IT INCLUDES A $20/MONTH AI SERVICE AND A FREE GIGABYTE OF CLOUD STORAGE WHAT A GREAT VALUE!!
That last little bit is their strategy except most countries have a law against doing that directly, they instead say “well unless you don’t want to use this software, pay is more”, same effect but different on the courts.
 

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SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

lmao

I'm not paying to let Microsoft use my data to train its "AI" (yes quotes because there is no real AI, its all programed bias and influence).
 

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What these companies need to do is stop with these ransom like numbers for a monthly subscription. They need to offer an expensive but fair TRUE lifetime license.
 
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