Microsoft Loses $290 Million in Patent Battle Fail

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Unbelievable the ignorance I'm reading here. Patent trolls... try reading before you speak.

I'm reposting this informative summarization from engadget user dennisheadley:

Actually you have no idea what you are talking about. The $290 Million dollar judgement not by the court, but by a jury of your peers, after hearing the evidence of the case. Microsoft lost out on a contract with the US Government for providing the technology for the largest IT procurement in US Government history. They company that beat them out for the contract was i4i, a small company from Canada who had a far superior solution than Microsoft did. The contract was ironically for the complete overhaul and digitalization of the US Patent Office. Every single person that applies for a patent uses i4i's technology during their process. The patents you see displayed here on Engadget are a result of their technology. Not only the US Patent Office but also the FDA and other government agencies use their technology. That is why the pharmaceutical companies and other non-tech companies lined up behind i4i. They are all licensed partners of i4i.

Microsoft was so pissed off that they lost the government contract that they appealed to the US Government saying pretty much that they were Microsoft and they should be able to get any contract they wanted from the US Government because they government couldn't get by without them.

The Government agencies in question told them they could most certainly get by without them and i4i did get the contract and many more afterwards. Microsoft was so upset about not being able to compete with this little company that they offered a collaborative partnership to i4i, for the small companies help in bringing the Microsoft technologies up to par. What they actually did was invite i4i to Redmond, got access to their technology and code, then told them the partnership was off and sent them packing but used the technology in Word. They stole it plain and simple. And they were stupid enough to document it in internal documents and emails that were presented as evidence at the patent trial. Prior to the lawsuit i4i tried for years to get them to license the technology but they refused.

You do realize also that i4i sued Microsoft for $40 Million dollars. They have a pretty good write-up about how they came up with the number, which was going very easy on Microsoft. All they wanted were the actual fees that Microsoft would have paid if they licensed the technology from them like they should have. A jury of your peers, having heard all the arguments and seeing all the evidence, decided that $40 Million was not nearly enough to cover Microsoft's theft of i4i's technology with full knowledge and intent, and they, your fellow American's doing their civic duty, raised it to $290 Million dollars.
 
[citation][nom]godmoney[/nom]Unbelievable the ignorance I'm reading here. Patent trolls... try reading before you speak.I'm reposting this informative summarization from engadget user dennisheadley:Actually you have no idea what you are talking about. The $290 Million dollar judgement not by the court, but by a jury of your peers, ...A jury of your peers, having heard all the arguments and seeing all the evidence, decided that $40 Million was not nearly enough to cover Microsoft's theft of i4i's technology with full knowledge and intent, and they, your fellow American's doing their civic duty, raised it to $290 Million dollars.[/citation]
So, since the US is full of money hungry people, the fact they decided to go with a larger dollar amount to back a patent (which was denied in Canada due to being to vague) means MS was 100% wrong? I dunno, I think I'm missing something here. You sure this wasn't like an Oprah episode, and they all got free iMacs if they hurt MS?
 


Wow, some really serious fail here.. :pfff:

Lessee now - first, patents are a limited monopoly - good for 20 years from date of filing.. It's a "quid pro quo" system where in return for a complete disclosure on how to make & use the invention, the inventor in turn gets up to 20 years to profit from his or her invention. The patent office publishes all its patents (except for those declared secret, like those for WMD, etc). That way, some new inventor can see what's been done before and make improvements on it, instead of re-inventing the wheel each and every time. We'd still be stuck in maybe 1930's technology if everybody had to learn everything from scratch, instead of building upon what others have done previously and then disclosed to the world in order to get their patents. It's a pretty safe bet you would not be posting on the Internet, as there wouldn't be any internet or probably computers for that matter.

Second, without a financial incentive, most invention would just dry up - why bother unless you can make some money off it?

Third, US patents prevent some low-ball foreign company (read Chinese companies) from stealing your invention, making it for far less cost than what you could, then bringing boatloads of your product over here and underselling you and driving you outta business. Then once they have the actual monopoly, jacking prices up through the roof. That's unregulated, cut-throat competition for you..

So if you were an inventor, business, gainfully employed outside of China, or just want relatively low-priced products, you should be thankful for patents, not ignorantly trashing the system..

BTW, Coca Cola maintains the Coke formula as a business secret, not a patent, precisely because of the limited lifetime of patents..
 


Thank you for proving my point.

Once you have a patent - every case you put forth - the patent was USED by a product that was MADE and sold.

It wasn't just SAT on with NO USE until they could SUE someone for using it. The thing is, MS did what you said should be done "they looked at what was done and improved on it and put it to USE". Clearly they didn't change or add-on to it enough to satisfy the lawyers (or jury members who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty...).

AND i4i wasn't DOING anything with it - their patent should've been revoked.
 


Actually the problem with the US patent system is that it is always shortchanged by Congress when it comes to their budget:

Why The U.S. Patent Office Is A National Problem
Fast Company
Jun 9, 2011

BY Henry R. Nothhaft

In this excerpt from the new book Great Again, author Henry R. Nothhaft illustrates how the dysfunction at the United States Patent and Trademark Office is imperiling not only entrepreneurial inventors, but the economic recovery as a whole and even America's global innovation leadership.

Since 1992, Congress has diverted nearly $1 billion in applicant-paid fees already earned by the USPTO to other uses (such as to help pay for the 2010 census), leaving the patent office understaffed, under-resourced, and wholly unable to deal with the threefold increase in patent applications over the last twenty years.

As a result, the patent office now takes an average of 3.7 years to rule on a patent--and many applications take 6, 7, or even more years. As of January 2011, the total number of patent applications waiting for approval was a staggering 1.2 million--triple the number just ten years ago. More than half of these applications had never even had an initial review. Simply put, this threatens America's future. According to the 2008 Berkeley Patent Survey, 76 percent of venture-backed start-up entrepreneurs and 67 percent of all start-up entrepreneurs say patents are vital to obtaining financing from venture capitalists and other investors. Similarly, Jerry Cao of Singapore Management University and Po-Hsuan Hsu of the University of Connecticut found that start-ups with patents attract larger and more experienced venture capital investors and "significantly larger amounts" of investment.

A third recent study conducted by the consulting firm IPVision in association with the MIT Sloan School of Management found that strong patents were closely associated with start-up success. "It is the intellectual property that [provides] the basis for investors to place their resources at risk," wrote Mario Cardullo, counselor for technology and entrepreneurship within the International Trade Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce.

In other words, no patent often means no venture financing--and no way for start-ups to create the new products, new jobs, and new industries of tomorrow. Even Gary Locke, President Obama's Secretary of Commerce, who oversees the USPTO, concedes that this situation is untenable. "This delay causes uncertainty for inventors and entrepreneurs and impedes our economic recovery," he told one newspaper. No kidding. By eroding the certainty of patent protection, it also undermines the economic incentives for innovation itself, if for no other reason than that it reduces the likelihood that entrepreneurs and investors can realize a return on all their hard work and investment.

Starved for funds and resources, and hamstrung by a nearly 50 percent turnover rate among its underpaid examiners, the USPTO in previous years tried to deal with this backlog through policies that can only be described as Kafkaesque. First, it suddenly cut its allowance rate on patents from the 65 percent rate that had prevailed during the previous three decades to barely 40 percent in 2007–2008. In other words, some experts say, the agency arbitrarily denied patents to deserving innovators just to reduce the backlog of waiting applications.

Interestingly, the surprisingly effective new director of the USPTO, David Kappos, has promised to change that practice. Already there are signs that the allowance rate is beginning to inch back up to historic levels.

The patent office also tried to clear the logjam by "accelerating" the examination of a small business's patent--but only if that business agreed to abandon another application it filed. Says Buzdum: "For small entrepreneurs like us, this is like burning the furniture to keep warm. We're not a big company. We don't have a lot of extra money to file trivial or frivolous patent applications the way giant patent factories like Microsoft and IBM do. If we're going to spend thousands of dollars to apply for a patent, it's because it's vital for our business."

The dysfunction at the patent office has hamstrung entrepreneurs across a wide range of industries. Consider the case of the biotech start-up MatriLab, which had developed a wound-healing gel based on technology licensed from the University of Wisconsin in 2002. The company won the Wisconsin Governor's Business Plan Contest and was led by Kathleen Kelleher, an entrepreneur with twenty-five years' experience in the biotech industry, including stints as chief operating officer for Amarillo Biosciences, senior director of corporate licensing at Searle Pharmaceuticals, and vice president of planning and business development at Curative Technologies.

"The technology was originally developed by Dr. John Kao, a brilliant and highly respected professor of pharmacy and biomaterials at the University of Wisconsin," Kelleher explains. "We felt our product had real potential in the $100 million market for the treatment of burns as well as diabetic ulcers, and in joint repair and regenerative medicine."

But there was a problem. Because the company couldn't get its patent approved or even examined, it was unable to attract the new investment it needed to commercialize the product. Potential investors, after all, wanted to be assured that this start-up had some degree of exclusivity for its product before putting money into the company. So in 2007, five years after it filed its patent application for the wound-healing gel, MatriLab went belly up.

In the end, the USPTO did eventually issue the patent--but only seven years after MatriLab's application was filed, two years after the company went bankrupt, and too late to save a promising new health innovation that might have done the public some good. "I'll be the first to admit that getting a new company and new product off the ground is challenging in the best of circumstances," concedes Kelleher. "But because the patent office works like molasses, it made a challenging situation totally impossible. It's a shame, too, and not just for MatriLab. Our new treatment might have helped a lot of people."

Says Kao, the inventor of MatriLab's wound-healing technology, "The fact that we were engaged in meaningful discussions with venture investors and industry partners shows that our technology had real value. But without a patent, they could not move forward with us." In other words, in many cases even the most innovative medical discovery in the world and a dollar will barely get you on the bus if you don't have a patent that can attract the funding you need to commercialize that discovery and get it into the hands of patients who need it.

The impairment of the patent office affects innovators not only in Wisconsin, of course, but all over the nation as well, including in the heart of Silicon Valley itself. Just ask Vern Norviel, a partner in the highly regarded Silicon Valley law firm of Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati, where he leads the patents and innovation counseling practice. The former general counsel at Perlegen Sciences, a biotech start-up that scans the human genome for new therapies, as well as at the publicly traded biotech firm Affymetrix, which pioneered the use of DNA chip technology, Norviel is intimately involved with some of the most exciting innovations in life sciences today. And to say he is frustrated with the impact that USPTO dysfunction is having on the development of new medical treatments is an understatement.

"Over the last few years, all my life sciences companies have either been slowed down or stopped by problems with the patent office," Norviel declares. "And I mean all of them. That's because in this field it's absolutely necessary to have a bulletproof patent. It can cost a billion dollars to bring a new drug to market, and no one is going to invest that kind of money unless they know they've got exclusive rights to it and can get a return on their investment."

He mentions one company in particular that he's working with, Innate Immune, whose experience, he said, "just makes me mad at a very visceral level." In the first place, says Norviel, "They have a new treatment for lupus that is clearly patentable--I mean, if anything is patentable, this is it. It was invented by a world-famous immunologist at Stanford named Sam Strober. But it's also personal for me. I have a former girlfriend from many years ago and she got lupus. It's very tragic, because this is a horrible disease. For some people it's deadly. And there's no treatment for it, just steroids, which only treat some of the symptoms and can be very damaging to the body."

He pauses a moment. "So here this company has the first drug that might really treat this disease, and they can't get a patent. They've been waiting seven years for it! They had venture investors ready to give them $30 million to move the drug toward clinical trials. But without a patent, they backed out. So now the company survives on little bits of friend and family money." Innate Immune's CEO is Dr. Andrew Perlman (Strober serves on the board), a man who has helped lead several successful biotech companies in the past, including as senior director of clinical research at Genentech. According to Perlman, Innate Immune also had a corporate partnership in the works with a large drug manufacturer, but as he puts it, "their attorneys were alarmed that we did not have the patent, so the deal fell through."

Again, no patent means no business--and no help for suffering patients. "With some people, the only manifestation of their lupus is a characteristic skin rash," Perlman explains. "But many other patients manifest their lupus with kidney failure that ultimately requires them to go on dialysis or need a transplant. It can also cause cardiac disease or central nervous system disease. So it can definitely be life threatening."

Recently, one of Innate Immune's patents finally issued. But what if the firm had gotten its patent in reasonable time? "Had the patent office worked like it's supposed to, our drug would be in clinical testing by now. How great would that be for people? But now? Well, I can't say how many more years it will be before we can get this treatment out to people." Meanwhile, three thousand miles away in Florida, Roger Hoffman, with thirty-six patents to his credit, is probably America's most prolific inventor of environmental technologies for the paper and water treatment industries.

Like the other innovators profiled here, Hoffman is not just some crackpot inventing a new method for exercising a cat (yes, there really is a patent for that). As chief operating officer of a paper mill in the 1970s, he invented technology that enabled his firm to become the first in the world to discharge absolutely no contaminated waste--technology that is now widely used throughout the industry. He was a founder of the National Office Paper Recycling Project involving firms such as IBM, Xerox, and Eastman Kodak, and he also put his expertise to work helping companies as diverse as Walmart and McDonald's change their environmental practices. He has received numerous awards, including one from the Environmental Protection Agency, and was honored in 1991 by the first President Bush in a Rose Garden ceremony for his outstanding innovations in the environmental field.

When he became an entrepreneur and founded Hoffman Environmental Systems in 1993, Hoffman says, the patent office worked efficiently on behalf of innovators. "One of my water management patents issued in eleven months," he recalls, "which was important in enabling us to generate earnings from our discoveries and keep inventing." But over the past decade, the system has gotten jammed up, with some of Hoffman's patents taking up to eight years to issue. He describes one particularly galling experience:

We had one patent that, even after several years, was just going nowhere at the USPTO. We finally called up the examiner who was reviewing it, and he gave us verbal notice of allowance that it was going to issue. Well, months go by, and we still hadn't gotten the official notice. So we called the examiner back--and kept calling every few weeks--leaving voice mail for him each time. Still we heard nothing. Finally, we called his supervisor to find out what was going on. And the guy says, "Oh, sorry, but that examiner no longer works here. I guess we should have turned off his voice mail." Gee, you think? Anyway, the kicker was that the supervisor then says, "Well, unfortunately, we have to start all over with the examination." Unbelievable. So that was three more years wasted until it issued.

What makes the whole process worse, Hoffman insists, is that the patent office now publishes two-thirds of all patent applications for all the world to see eighteen months after they are filed. Because of this, he claims, his discoveries have been stolen by large companies. Hoffman says he has been involved in litigation with two of the biggest paper manufacturers in the world for infringing his patents. One of them, Georgia Pacific, settled a few years ago. But he remains embroiled in an extended legal battle with International Paper, which has used its immense financial resources to attempt to drown him in litigation costs, hoping he'll give up the fight.

As economist and 1996 Ross Perot vice presidential running mate Pat Choate wrote in the Huffington Post, "America's largest corporations are using a business technique called ‘efficient infringement' [whereby] they calculate the benefits of stealing someone else's patented technology against the possibility of being forced to pay damages."

And they can't be forced to pay, of course, if the victim can't get his patent issued. For his part, Hoffman says he never wanted to be a litigator. He just wanted to be an inventor, which he considers a noble profession. "I'm sixty-five years old now," he says. "Do I really want to spend the last years of my life and all my resources fighting the bastards who are stealing my inventions? The whole situation just breaks my heart."

And what of the tens of thousands of small business entrepreneurs who don't have the resources to commercialize their own inventions without investor financing, or to wage a multimillion-dollar legal fight against a multinational corporate infringer? As former patent examiner John White, now a patent attorney representing small businesses, told Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter John Schmid: "This story is repeated thousands of times. Many entrepreneurs have no choice but to give up on their dreams."
 
^ Just wanted to emphasize - the patent office is 110% fee-funded (i.e., it doesn't get one cent of taxpayer money - on the contrary, Congress uses part of the patent fees collected by the patent office to fund other stuff like the 2010 Census).

A lot of inventors and companies complain about this diversion of funds - not only does it slow down and impair their getting a patent, it's also an unfair tax on inventorship.

It's like you going to fill up your tank at the gas station, and seeing on the pump a notice that you are paying an extra 10 cents tax on every dollars worth of gas, for funding the war in Afghanistan or something else having exactly zero to do with driving your car..
 
[citation][nom]alyon[/nom]I remember hearing about i4i or better known as "Eye for an Eye." Just a group that makes all of their business buying up patents and then suing companies who may infringe. I would much rather have Microsoft winning this instead of the people who represent what is so wrong with our copyright/patent system today. Idiots will look at this as a win.[/citation]
Wow. What microsoft should do is hire a Hitsquad with a sniper to wait outside these guys office that are getting millions of dollars they would otherwise not make to send a message to these dumb lawsuits. Microsoft needs retribution b4 everyone starts suing them.
 
Everyone is missing the most important part of this. While our patent system is sadly bogged down, very broken, and in need of better funding... the problem is not patents in general, but in this case, a specific type of patent that not all countries recognize.

Software process patents.

They are patents on ideas. Ideas you do not have to have any working model or product to file. That is why law firms are buying and filing lots of patents in order to get some that they can use to file nuisance lawsuits after companies. Its why some web sites were hit for $80k ransom demands from law firms who owned the "Rollover image" patent. A basic part of web design. Look it up.

Patents on inventions, sure. Patents on new technologies that are demonstrated, why not (albiet some need to be shorter, 20 years is TOO long these days). Patents on the idea of putting a blue widget on top of another widget? No. No no NO.

Every company has been filing hundreds of patents like these just for the sake of survival, they develop "war chests" of patents to file back at other companies, keeping an atmosphere of "mutually assured destruction".

What is worse, when they do go after one another, they fight, spend millions and when all done, reach a cross licensing agreement that keeps those two companies in business, but which a new comer must pay out the nose to get access to any of those patents. In a sense, stifling any new company to come around. If a new company starts up and doesn't have a big enough patent war chest, they get bought up(for a song) or destroyed(in which the company suing them gets awarded the technology anyway).

Sorry this is long, but it is a major drain on the economy of the US (and will be of the EU if the people lobbying for it to be introduced there too).
 
"We're very pleased that the court did the right thing..."
...by giving the money to i4i!

This is just another greedy statement.
 
[citation][nom]ReggieRay[/nom]Nice to see the copycat company MS not get away with another stealing of an idea. They copied Apple in the beginning after Bill shafted the author of MS DOS and shoved him under the bus. MS then bullied, copied, stole, you name it to get where they are and people wonder why I dislike the convicted monopolist. Their OS is not that great anyway, bloated and clumsy compared to Gnome on Linux or OS X. The only thing I see MS with an advantage is games but that is all about shoving their proprietary Direct X down everyones throats and that is quickly changing too. OS X is on STEAM now and I hear there is talk of Ubuntu on STEAM.Not to mention that the tablet and phone games do not use the proprietary DX crap either.[/citation]



you sir are talking out your bottom ,and you don't know jack s---

1. Bil gates paid the man for MS-dos the guys was to dumb to realize how to make money off it himself , other than selling it to some one that did. Poeple like you make it out like bill clocked him over the head with a bat and jacked it, the moron SOLD it to bill gate that's his own damn fault , not bill gate's fault he was an idiot . idiots deserve what they get.

2. i fail to see how MS "copied apple in the begining" MS , released a software product that works on off the shelf pc's (aka IBM style pc's) apple made closed circle hardware (pc's) so how you do corelate that to they copied apple ??? last time i checked software and hardware are two very differnt things.

3. sure windows is heavieer on a system than li-sux or gnome , but then again those OS's arnt made for the general public market nor are thier interfaces as user freindly to main stream computer users as windows is . so get over it already , the world is not full of geeks , big whooping deal. the way you talk it sounds as if you would force the entire world to use a "nerd" OS if you had the power to do so, and that makes you no better than the So called "monopoly" giants.

4. direct x 11 is not where it is "cos MS pushes it with thier os's" it's where it is because the GAME INDUSTRY pushes it . why do they push it? because it is a better API than open glide , it is quickly updated with new graphic features often , it sets a general standard through out the industy, dx 11 allows devs to customise new graphical features themselves , while open glide is the software equviliant of "hard wired features" . for instance the HDR lighting "tack on's" in open glide are limited in what programers can do with them compared to what they can do with DX's HDR extentions. , not to forget , aso of right now open glide is still missing key graphic features that are in dx 9, 10 , and 11


now i want to clairify something , for starters i'm by no means a fanboy of MS , i actully hate a lot of things they do do (such as their entire xbox 360 right now (f---ing thing has broke on me three times now >
 
I saw a lot of comments calling i4i a patent trolling company. Did you do any research, or just make it up all on your own?


"And it still doesn't void the fact that i4i is a group of lawyers. What do you think they are? A group of white knight software engineers?"

No, I think they are a relatively long standing development company trying to make a living based on their work, which they've been at since 1993. They have many major pharmaceutical companies as clients for their collaboration software. They don't produce things for the mass market.

From i4i's website:
"i4i is a world leader in the design and development of collaborative content solutions and technologies. Founded in 1993 by Michel Vulpe, the Company has a proven record of accomplishment and innovation. With its partners, i4i has successfully developed and deployed collaborative content solutions to customers in industry and government around the world."

Maybe check out who they are and what they do before believing a posting that says they're a bunch of lawyer patent trolls. With this internet thing, the research doesn't take long and anyone can do it.
 
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