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Sorry, can't stand Visa. Microsoft just moved all the settings around again and blocked normal access and made things difficult to configure and hogged up more cpu, ram, and harddrive. If I spent even 1/100th of my computer time playing around with my desktop and icons it might make me like it better.
It's like another giant gobsmack of useless makeup on - meet Tammy Faye Baker.
Now, for those who wanted an excuse to upgrade their systems and get a big hairy chest (believe me I've got a programmer friend(smart) and another(dumb as a rock) that always have to have the latest - they can't stand not getting every patch and downloading every possible update and accessory), it's probably the greatest thing since sliced cheese.
I can't stand it's elusive clunky crap with 14 deep clicks to get where you want to go it's anything but intuitive. I have no idea what the "H" it's doing all the time, and I mean all the time and that bothers me.
Yes it might be way too paranoid but I'm sure it's has it's HS microscope so far up it's kernel it's a joke thinking it's a "secure" OS.
I just hate it, hate it. I liked 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98,98se, and ME was great with restore off, as well 2000pro, XP rocks, and now this...a gigantic pain...
Guess I'll get used to the fluff and stuffed someday, and then of course they'ell change it again. Move everything 5 different ways "just to be cool" and of course to make sure we can all waste ten thousand hours while we try to regain control of our own DA____ed computer.
GRRRRRRRRR.
Ok I'm done. I lied.
Glad you chest thumping meggawoggahertz killer skulltrailing wazooos love it to death. Gee if I could only be as cool as you are.
LOL - the BLEEPS! are going to make XP die.
 
Well go look at the first Vista game reviews and you will see the performance just sucked

Now they are very close. There are exceptions, but in general it is better then it was and even beats xp under some configurations.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_nvidia_windows_vista_driver_performance_update/page2.asp

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302498,00.asp

Apps are also now running almost the same. I do not have benchmarks as many sites are only benching games. If you want anything benched i will gladly bench Vista vs XP SP3(I will have to install it, i left 100gigs at the end of my drive just in case i needed XP, but so far I have not had any need.)
 
randomizer lol I expect that, all I ever heard. I'd run it for months(and for many others) without reboot though, always turn off the restore and a few other tricks. The VXD sound on a SB live 10K was totally awesome it's still hard to beat, really haven't seen it duplicated.
 
I couldn't get ME to shut down after a few months. Granted the PC didn't have an internet connection and never got a single M$ update, that probably didn't help. Still, no OS should require reformatting every few months out of the box just to do basic things like shut down. Maybe after a while it becomes sentient, and doesn't want to shut down, just so it can torture you.
 
I say Ultimate is about 80% more stable than thin predecessor xp. I used Fire GL v.3100, discontinued card & it worked like Gravy. I tried 1600pro, 800, 300. 6200 cards & with exception of 6200, all had issues on stability. Some other numbers much worse than these.

Basicly world is stepping back to step forward.
Signed😀rashek
 
well as a software engineer I have an old XP machine (amd 2800, 2gb ram) an old linux machine (amd 2600, 2gb ram) a newish xp pro 64 (intel quad core, 4gb, GTX8800) and a new vista home premium (intel dual core, 2gb).

the vista machine runs at a similar speed to the old xp 32 machine. It is horrendous, it constantly drops it's wireless connection even within a metre of the the router and the constant HDD grinding makes me grit my teeth. The only good thing about it is how fast it returns from hibernation. Personally the prettiest OS of the lot is the Mandriva linux installation, which is faster than vista even with the compiz OGL desktop.

So sure Vista is good at making a good spec brand new machine look like it is five years old, but doesn't really add much benefit. If you actually want to spend more time working than waiting for dialogs to open very slowly use your brand new hardware and stick xp pro 64 on while it is still available (you can also play Crysis on full graphics @ 60fps when your work is done)
 
Vista is the absolute worst. I have 4 computers running XP and a laptop running Vista. The laptop takes 5 minutes from power on to start menu. My other computers take 30-45 seconds (I clean up every startup program). Vista has problems updating so I can't even get the SP1 to install. The worst is that the WiFi takes 15 minutes to detect and connect to a new source! That's insane.

This week, I reformatted and installed XP. The laptop now starts in under 45 seconds and the WiFi detects instantly. Vista is the WORST!
 
had vista sense november of last year an a core2 quad with 2 GB of ram and had no speed issues or random crashes with my Nvidia 8600 card and no problems with my creative audigy 2 as well im so used to all the small stuff with vista that i couldn't go back to XP now. AS for ATI ever sense years ago when an ATI rag was forced on me the drivers messed my windows 98 PC at the time that in order to get them off my pc had to reformatt the entire thing because the ati uninstall feature left tons of files on it. that rage card was just temporary till my TNT2 card was back from repair. i have not trusted ATI then and will not trust ATI now just cause i do not know if it changed and would not spend half a thousand dollars on an ATI card just to try it and no matter what AITMAMD fanboys say they have no credability
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]Mate in case you didn't know, Vista x64 requires signed drivers.[/citation]

Only if you don't boot the system in Unsigned Driver Mode (it's in the F8 menu, along with Safe Mode, Last Known Good Configuration, and all that jazz).
 
Yeah Vista is better than it was at launch, but I still dual boot with Vista and XP. I'd triple boot with SuSE if I didn't have it on another machine. Darn games keep using all my free space, I need a bigger hard driver for more, uh, poductivity software, yeah..........
 
[citation][nom]killerb255[/nom]Only if you don't boot the system in Unsigned Driver Mode (it's in the F8 menu, along with Safe Mode, Last Known Good Configuration, and all that jazz).[/citation]
And you're gonna do that every time? I couldn't be bothered. That' why I like Vista x86 😀
 
Everybody has been hating Vista ever since the launch, complaining about prices and the new 'view'. Well guess what... Everybody complained about XP's prices when it came out, and a whole lot of people were disgusted by XP interface. XP Pro was 649.99 at launch! Vista Ultimate was 499.99!

I think they did a good job at the launch, actually putting OS with reduced functionality and price. I personally blame every manufacturer out there. Vista isn't going to run efficiently with 1GB of RAM, nor will Vista Premium run with a cheap graphics accelerator, if you don't want to spend more than 400$ for a computer setup (including LCD, etc.), then go back to XP. Computers cost an arm and a leg back in the day, I don't see what's wrong with spending over 1000$ for an entire setup.

About Vista functionality: I got Windows Vista AT launch with the latest C2D and 4GB of RAM, never complained about it. I will NEVER go back to XP, nor will I recommend XP to any new user. XP will stick with business until everything is compatible.

Fork out the money, learn to use a PC, then we'll talk about Vista. I've had the thing since launch and I've NEVER crashed. Why? I know how to logically use a computer.
 
I love you Windows Vista; you Complete Me.

I would like just one week go by where I didn't utter the phrase : "God Dam it Vista you worthless, piece of f%$#ing dog s&#!.

This is my computing experience now days. These people who say they love Vista abound though, saying oh if you were not too cheap to buy good hardware you'd love it to. I have 8 gigs of ram and a quad core , yay I can surf the web check e-mail, great. It's a shame most of Vistas "features" have been around for 5 to 10 years and run better and faster on lesser hardware under other operating systems including XP. There is the "eye candy" of vista that BTW is f%$#ing weak sauce to begin with, and often worse, is nothing but downright fugly nonsense that gets in the way of productivity.

It clearly follows the office 2007 school of design which is - "Oh s&#! we can't think of anything else to do to a f%$#ing $300 word processor and it's expensive and there are free ones out there they are just as good. Dam, I mean it's done. Sure we can glue in some wizards to auto upload to your blog or try and integrate it more with other MS products, but we have to sell it again to make money and it's still just the same f%$#ing word processor. For how many years can we be developing and improving new versions of it ? Well I know! The interface just has to look totally different so people will not start thinking about how they bought this program already like 4 years ago. But how do we make it that different it's already got everything logically organized and easily accessible ? Well let's move s&#! under some new menu (just make up a name for it and s&#!) with a big button and then let's throw in some tabs with huge graphics. I know we can mix some icons and buttons in with the text and options and throw them all on those tabs (maybe we can write setting on scraps of paper and mix them in a f%$#ing hat and bam another menu.) People will be like wow there are so many features I lose 3 inches of screen real-estate and have to tab between multiple interfaces ..this sure is a lot of features" and totally worth the money.

This is what the Vista interface brings, the wow it sure is different factor. Why are things are in places that make no sense logically, even old XP features moved around too ? Not to accommodate a new better workflow or anything I seems but hell they couldn't have them happen to be anywhere similar could they ? People would be like hey this is XP only s&#!ier and slower. Like they did when they upgraded to Windows ME from Windows 98. If that fails put a few layers of PowerPoint like full screen wizards in between the user and his settings then ask him if he's sure he wants' to see the settings 3 times, or in what way he wants to see them, then for some settings advise he must go back and choose another way, then come back, this can add 3 or 4 more menus and maybe he'll just forget about what he was trying to do and Vista won't have to crash.

Where are the other "Features ?" That is if can't call hiding settings, forcing default account permissions features at all. I have yet to see or have anyone mention even one useful new feature Vista brings. Oh and if your using anything but Ultimate your not even geting the usless s&#! they are using as the OS's selling points. BTW shadow Volume copy is not new to vista and running it on a single users desktop/laptop as part of system restore is stupid. So if you don't want it monitoring and making multiple copies of all your files and grinding your disk just turn off system restore and do without.. um the system restore part of ..um system restore. Great. Now maybe this slow as s&#! , bloated, annoying OS could be tolerable if it f%$#ing worked right. Ok it's not giving you anything new of any real value and it's slow and expensive and looks like s&#! with a convoluted interface, but could it at least f%$#ing work ? Apparently not. Every time I hear someone who like Vista talk about it I'm like what is it giving you over XP ? They are like why is everyone complaining about it, it runs fine once you buy high end hardware.

So Advantage 1: It's runs fine as long as you have a fast PC.

Then I'm like ok what else ?

It plays games and has Direct X 10.

So 2 It Plays games (maybe with the performance of XP if you're lucky) and Microsoft is not releasing DX 10 for XP. Oh it's way faster then XP ? Yeah but you added 2 gigs of ram a new video card and processor for Vista remember ?

Anything else ?

Oh it has ready boost. To launch those application you use most frequently faster. (for systems with limited ram anyway)

So 3 If you go out and buy a high speed , high capacity USB thumb drive it will try to cache files there so your PC seems less dog slow because you have no ram left. In theory if it didn't cause system instability half the time and need to be disabled you almost could have some applications launching almost as fast as all applications launched under XP or under another OS where you'd just be using the drive for something silly anyway like storing your data and files instead of the OS using it to limp along.

If one more person tells me it's the most secure Windows OS ever or worst how secure it is in general I am going to punch them in the throat! How is it more secure you ask them , what does that mean ? Do you even f%$#ing know or did you see it in a commercial ? Well they say I try to download viruses all the time and run as an administrator while surfing porn and I never use any anti-spyware apps and I click on anything because I am an a$#hat. Vista is constantly asking me if I am sure I want to do anything and if I am being an a$#hat. Now some people might find this very anoying but like most thrilled vista users I am an a$# hat so this is a great feature. Then it tells me downloading files or connecting to the internet may be dangerous .Whew I forgot since it's been 15 seconds since it last told me, thanks Vista ! I totally thought that I wanted to download that file but actually I don't and only your barrage of never ending promps and nagging has saved me from my own un relenting stupidity ! ( at least for 30 seconds or so) Oh and it's got a s&#!ty anti-spyware app built-in that auto updates and scans my PC um I think anyway I can't really tell, but I did notice less s&#! on my pc on account of my being a dumb f%$#er, so it's totally the most secure OS I've ever used.

Never mind the dozens of open default ports , and services connecting to the internet , tasks doing meaningless s&#!, 24/7 maybe some of those are malware or maybe just one of vista's many hidden poorly documented oddities. If you're on 64-bit at least you know it's not an un Microsoft licensed driver for one of your devices because Vista disables them along with drivers by its competitors and then tells you to suck a d#$%. The important thing is just like that root kit on your PC you can't identify what the hell it is or what it's doing so just shrug and go oh well it's Vista. MS shouldn't have just demoted the people responsible for this travesty they should have kicked them in the groin repeatedly , and tossed them drunk style onto the sidewalk out side.

If I try to get anything productive done in Vista it is often 6 hours of troubleshooting then it will break again and MS will advise to re-install over and over again since they can't seem to fix this steaming pile and every up date adds to it's bloat. 5 GB of space to install a service pack are you f%$#ing kidding me ?

Gee I wish I could print , or scan , or watch or burn a f%$#ing DVD but no it's like getting a free joke of day instead. You never know what will happen but it won't just be a logical error that's for sure it will be something comically stupid that makes you go "WTF are kidding me?"

Put in a Netflix DVD ? Can't play it , have to stop Vista from insisting on formatting it , and then use VLC. Put in a blank DVD or CDR of any brand on the other hand to try to burn files to it ..and instead laugh at how it informs you it's not a blank media disc and to a insert blank disc ..you know like one of those movies from Netflix that it is always trying to burn data to as soon as you pop it in.

Too bad is randomly trashes hundreds of GB of dataand too bad applications and the shell go down more often then Paris Hilton. Often there are no solutions to find for it's random issues. They happen one day and are gone the next , then back again with something new. One week I could not play DVD's, or MP3s, or media files of any type Vista told me I was not authorized to consume protected content. I booted into Linux because I didn't want to deal with the 2 hour fix that worked for 50% of people and had no explanation as to the cause. A week later all was working again and I hadn't even run any updates.

I had a week where I could not read compact discs or DVD's of any type. The solution found on a non MS forum was to find a secrete hidden temp folder , (no not the windows temp folder) and put a file in it ...any file at all , make .txt file drop a .jpg of Paris Hilton blowing some guy or what ever, in there and bingo it works again. (Hey I managed to include two Paris Hilton oral sex jokes in one post, go me)

Microsoft had a very technical, and thorough explanation of this bug and a fix for this odd behavior; "This is caused by the user having disabled the auto run feature on the optical drive. Windows Vista will determine the appropriate (the wrong) actions (bulls&#! prompts for usless crap) for you to choose from baised on the media inserted. Re-enable the auto run feature on the drive (didn't work and I needed it disabled to run my virtual machines anyway) and re-boot. If this dose no solve the issue re-install Windows (Hmm re-install windows because I set auto run to off ? I know how about you go to straight to hell, how about that!)

Ah as much as I enjoy searching forums for reg hacks , and all manner of fixes that take hours on end just to be able to , print , or read a DVD or , play media files or do any number of routine things, I have realized something. I can use Linux and have to do the same things. Linux however is fast , pretty, more reliable, has lots of online resources , boots in 10 seconds, doesn't trash my data , and oh yeah once I get it working as long as I don't f%$# with it (not use it and it breaks, f%$# with it that is intentionally do crazy s&#! to it that I expect may break it), it stays working!

Hmm also most my hardware works out the box with the better more recent distros too. Hardware that doesn't work in Vista (or dose then stops after a week and the fix from the 3rd party manufacturer is reinstall the OS again) , and some of them are brand new Microsoft peripherals too.

So Vista = is hell to get them going and Linux detected and configured them automatically. Linux is easier to use and support's more of my hardware and using Ms brand devices works better in linux ? Has the world gone mad ?

Well if Windows can't even be easier to use and support more hardware then Linux, MS better hold onto that proprietary direct x and windows only application monopoly as windows is more and more just the Tax you pay to use these apps. Hell if I was just using my pc for IM, e-mail and web surfing and was geting an OS pre-loaded on hardware from an OEM with drivers some thing like Ubuntu would be cake no fuss, no bull s&#!, and you couldn't pay me to put Windows on there.

Call it Vista Ultimate, call it Mojavi , call it "OS s&#! Stain Popsicle" call it what it is a $300 kick in the pants. I got my copy free and I still feel ripped off. How about the worst OS since Windows ME. That can be the new slogan.

People tak about how they botched the launch of Vista. Where was the advertising , the rolling stones song and the catchy marketing phrase permeating the Air waves and the internet ? Maybe they figured they don't need to sell it you'll buy it and use it wither you like it or not because you have no choice. or Maybe they didn't bother producing a decent product because they figured you have no choice, and while they couldn't find anything new and worthwhile to add to the next verson of "Windows" figured people wouldn't notice. Then they were f%$#ing ashamed of it as they dam well should be.
 
Zeus, you wasted your time typing that out. You can't change people's opinions. Just FYI I also have a free copy Vista and Server 2008, and I like Vista just as much as, if not more than XP (haven't used my copy of Server 2008). Do I find Vista more productive? No, but I don't find it less productive either. The GUI is much smoother because of its 3D acceleration, so that's enough to make me switch my main OS. I wouldn't mind using either OS, I can do whatever I need to do on both.
 
"Fork out the money, learn to use a PC, then we'll talk about Vista. I've had the thing since launch and I've NEVER crashed. Why? I know how to logically use a computer."

Sure that's got some truth to it for any OS as surely you have a better experience with better hardware and when you know how to defrag, virus scan, not run as admin or put crap all over your PC but "logically use it ?". Sounds like OS imposing so constraints and isn't this counter to Vista whole design philosophy since it appears to try and cater to illiterate computer users. It seems to aim to hide as much as possible automating maintenance, defaulting to a LUA compliant account permissions model (greatfeature if you didn't know how to do runas and setup your accounts properly in XP perhaps if it worked that is but my xbox 360 game pad for PC and my Microsoft media keyboard only worked when the UAC was graying out the screen during a prompt). Auto scheduling defrag and removing the defrag GUI (used to set mine to run on idle and it would run for a few seconds in the background every so often when I was not doing something so I never have to worry about it again . You have Vista popping up wizards with fluffy vague baby speak where relevant information, tools and settings used to be just few clicks away up. It's bloated and it seems while they added the improved task scheduler (but then again they seem to have 30% of those vista features and OS functions implemented as tasks I mean hundreds of Microsoft scripted tasks for os functionality out of the box ? The registry is like 3-5 gigs for a default install ? That more than most OS total install sizes and that just the registry alone. I was looking forward that new improved event viewer and task scheduler and instead I find something that looks like the directory structure of a wikipedia server. The default full text file search indexing (with it's lovely permanent explorer nag screen when disabled, and shadow volume copy, and windows defender scans on by default. Shows that they have assumed you need it wearing you disk and slowing your system (it's performing like it's always running a full virus scan 24/7 against your drive). Why ? in order to make sure that those few times every blue moon where you can't remember where you put a file that you get that extra 30 second speed boost in searching at the expense of constant performance degradation. Or they have simply assumed your so stupid you can't even name and organize your files in such a way that you can identify them later. E-mail is one thing but full text file indexing by default is a hog. They also are degrading performance to by default back up every file on your disk (to somewhere else on the same disk so this isn't disaster recovery here) Why ?

Vista is an OS geared towards idiots who don't know how to user their PC so it's going to back up all files under the assumption your going to be accidentally deleting your own important files willy nilly on a constant bases. These are great ideas on a dedicated file server to save the IT guys from having to pull tapes for every idiot user that deletes their own files and then forgets what they are called as well.

Explorer randomly guesses (like wheel of fortune) then resets folder views thinking your scripts or DLL's are pictures and I just know we needed that extra 200 file sorting categories including such things a number of kids , shoe size , MPH , or my personal favorite the category called "categories". If I ever needed to sort my files by how fast they drive , or how big their feet are, or their thermodynamic properties, liquid volume or birthday I'd be in luck but too bad "date created" isn't a default and you have digg into the pile to select it then have explorer forget and suddenly decide to sort your docs by music genera. Awesome!

Then MS has started forbidding not just warning about, unsigned drivers on all 64-bit versions presumably to keep you from hosing your own machine and in fact the choice is now not yours any more to trust a driver anyway. Vista assumes your too dumb to install the right driver and besides they can block competitors or other undesirable (to MS) utilities apps or functionality this way. (VM ware or xbox usb drive utilities anyone ?). It's not just supported by the vendor and unsupported by MS and you accept that risk , no now it's locked down (Unless to install the windows dev sdk and boot in OEM test mode with screen corners and reduced functionality to use unsigned drivers for that 3rd party device.) Sweet how about no, bad OS goes in waste basket ) It's like "No you may not install this we forbid you and it that is that! It shall not happen on this our computer system and trusted DRM platform which you the stupid user are being allowed to use as we see fit. This is pretty annoying to many of of us IT pro's or even to power users. Yet to spite being the OS for idiots that it is it still has more problems than XP and genrates for support requests even after having been out for years and having it's firsts service pack already. Sure most of XP's common users problems could be blamed on the illiterate user but if anything this is not Vista excuse it's just bloated, inefficient, and ill conceived (not usually the underpinnings of a robust, performance OS.) The user knowledge has nothing to do with the specific design issues and ill conceived focus, Vista has. The last time I heard that "learn to use your PC" excuse to try and justify an OS's major shortcomings was back in Win 98 days, but turned out the OS was just not robust or reliable and only those that could work around it, jump through hoops and treat it with kid gloves could be productive. I did fork out money on hardware very very high end (for consumer grade at least) hardware and guess what Vista may not run like a 300 hundred year old narcoleptic sea turtle on it, but I do know enough to see that an inefficient lame duck OS implementation wasting my resources needlessly is still not expectable. They tried to make something with vista that was idiot proof since the ease of use of perceived security and reduction in malware users found on Macs was being thrown in their face constantly. Unfortunately their idea of user friendly leaves much to be desired and they don't have a solid elegant foundation under the hood , nor do they offer any thing exceptional in the way of features. These last two points make even the average non savvy user have a poor experience as well. I wait for Xp to improve when it came out and I one telling everyone to give Vista time and see. When I gave it time (years and a service pack before adopting and over 8 months of painful use) Now I just run Ubuntu and sometimes XP in a virtual. When XP is no more I'm done with MS. They have stated they are going keep compatibility with Vista in the Windows 7 release and rather than fix things that are touting pen tablet this and web desktop that. Apparently they may (if it stays in the final version at least) boot it from VSD disk images or a live thumb drive boot will be possible and everyone will be like wow that's new. When it is cool it is also old hat and MS will likely botch it as well. Don't be too surprised when in the future home versions of windows your logging in with your MSN or Windows live ID and don't be surprised if they start licensing OS modules to you on a paid subscription basis with your OS functionality and license considered revocable protected content you must renew.

So since your an expert computer user yet choose Vista would you please care to explain the reasons you chose to purchase and migrate to this OS ? The benefits, performance and improved feature set you found which only it could offer which caused you to adopt it and how this better , faster more advanced OS is providing you new benefits ? Note: Because they shimmed you onto the newer version by withhold direct x 10 from XP and your a gamer or since XP's support is being discontinued or you don't understand how to use one of the new easy and robust Linux distros like Ubuntu (when they come on live cd's now days and have excellent hardware support) are not really compelling proof of the Os's merit. Neither is because it came with you new PC , or was the new version of Windows and have windows applications to use. These may be justification but they don't speak to the merits of the OS itself. Also interoperability with cool new windows server 2008 Active directory features don't count since I'd like to hear some real improvements native to Vista. I suspect most the features (like the full system backup that takes a dozen DVD's and 2 hours in a wizard) I can do in Ubuntu in 4 minutes (I have 4 complete system images burned on one DVD. Also no features that are gimmicks or which it poorly tried to imitate for what's been on other OS's for years and which works less efficiently in Vista. I wish someone could just once give some real Vista innovations in response to why it's a robust , efficient powerful and user friendly or all around good OS. Fake security though dumbing down and attempted automation aside and no fluffy marketing buzz or poor half baked imitations of features ?

I dumped Vista for Ubuntu and I don't remember the last time I rebooted my PC ( this would be bad practice in windows since it can't manage it's memory properly but is just fine for a smarter OS) or had an application crash. I've got 10% of the free space on my disk reserved and as the file system is actually efficient and dose a pretty good job keeping files contiguous. This means that while maybe after years of heavy use it will get a tiny bit fragmented which will be practically unnoticeable I will still never have to defrag my disk because the file system is intelligent, imagine that. Also if you start mentioning those Vista idiot proof hand holding features such as those security by protecting the user from themselves features (while they let some bug in the accessibility options slip by which allows you to bypass the login screen entirely and gain NT Authority\system access (higher than local administrator) with out so much as knowing a username and in about 5 minutes with no more than a usb stick or floppy) then I may doubt your knowing how to use your PC as much as you say. These dumb user features primarily appeal to those who really don't know how to do things properly and thus may never learn. Not a totally bad Idea if they worked right all the time so they need not ever know and if they could be easily disabled for those of us that don't need the hand holding. So maybe you think Vista is OK and you have to use it that's fine but it by no means make it a good OS. I Microsoft feels they don't need to focus on the needs of their end users , maybe they tried but simply dropped the ball. (Server 2008 is pretty cool and has got some very usefully features but businesses and many end users hate Vista and it's not just because it's new or different. It's because even now having been released for quite some time it's a rather useless and shoddy excuse for a major OS release and they spent 600 Million on it and took seven years to create. Maybe they just need to go back to buying out other peoples innovative tech and re branding it. There is a reason for their 300 million Dollar Vista doesn't suck as hard as that computer geek friend keeps telling you, the PC sales guy too don't look at what he runs at home either while He's grinning and selling you Vista and ignore your offices IT department who won't touch it. This campaign says a lot and it not anti windows slander by Mac or Linux fans it pissed off vista users and ex Microsoft customers turning it away in disgust and resentful of the fact that in some regard they will have to deal with this OS. There is a reason people are reminded of Windows ME when they use it. While MS had the resources to make a truly fine product and we all hoped they would since Windows is the market share leader the fact is they did not. It's true what they say; Monopolies don't breed innovation value and quality and Vista is proof of that. Oh I just heard Gates say that the new interface for Windows 7 will be being redesigned by solely by "the ribbon team" you know the guys that made those awesome menus in office 2007 that I for don't know how we ever lived with out. They are re-doing the whole OS interface from scratch! That's awesome; I probably won't buy or use it but I sure can't wait to see it. LOL
 
"You can't change people's opinions. Just FYI I also have a free copy Vista and Server 2008, and I like Vista just as much as, if not more than XP"

True I don't really expect to change peoples opinions just venting really. I lost a lot of data and had non stop issues with it and most of them turned out to be persistent flaws in the OS. (file copying was slow and unreliable for how long ?) I also have spent countless hours fixing friends PC's and the more to grew to learn about Vista the more I saw it as a failure and kept wondering why they bungled basic simple things (working folder views) yet heaped on all these half baked gimmics on. I found the 3D accelerated desktop novel for a little while( though not on par with some other OS offerings) Not something I'd personally consider using an OS for anyway but meh. I guess the OS being at best on par with XP and shinny if not a resource hog, and at wost less productive and annoying is the truth for most people. I do think many people are going to decide they like it no matter what because they have to adopt it sooner or later and I think Microsoft really has lost site of what an OS should be focusing on or maybe they always were more enterprise focused ? Now they do seem to only care that they get that DRM adopted so they can get content exclusives from the media producers and make a run at Applies video/music, media delivery market share. Seems they really cut some corners though and I don't much that it offers over XP except bloat and some eye candy. I got my hands on the MSDN Server 2008 CD and it is very cool and with the plethora of real useful features and the nifty slim core server it seems to has been developed under entirely different direction than Vista. If server 2008 , Vista and Windows 7 share the same core then (not sure about that) then maybe there is hope they can fix it or at least redeem with Windows 7. That is if they stop talking about all that web app stuff they want to use it to hit google with, how they can screw VMware with it, or that pen tablet of the future which makes books and keyboards obsolete stuff obsolete stuff(I'll believe it when I see it). If they focus on a sold efficient OS with real features. Oh well, while they are taking a stab at Google maybe Google will release that rumored user friendly *Nix based PC OS they keep denying they are working on and then someday we can complain about them being a monopoly that rolls out re-hashed junk.
 
I just need the actual Server 2008 CDs/DVD to install it, I only have the key (through MSDNAA). I don't intend to run a server, so I won't be using all the server crap, but I'm willing to give it a go to see how it performs compared to Vista SP1, since they use the same kernel. Obviously the Vista kernel (at least build 6001) isn't bad, it's everything on top of the kernel that slows it down.
 
"You can't change people's opinions. Just FYI I also have a free copy Vista and Server 2008, and I like Vista just as much as, if not more than XP"

Oh I believe removed the unsigned drivers boot mode , or at least it doesn't really work anymore, (something about it being intended for Devs and OEM's not end users) Seems you have to install the Windows SDK and attach a kernel Debugger. I have 8 gigs of ram so 32 bit and under 4 gigs usable is bad and no VMware and others on the 64-bit sucks too so now windows XP is the guest running in the VM on my 64 bit Ubuntu box problem solved.

True I don't really expect to change peoples opinions just venting really. I lost a lot of data and had non stop issues with it and most of them turned out to be persistent flaws in the OS. That and when I'd casually post a quick blurb about it being disappointing I'd get a dozen people telling me to buy good hardware or learn how to use it right. Had an executive insist we upgrade 400 desktops because he saw a commercial and thought we should be "running the most secure version of windows" plus he liked Aero. It still can't play nice on the Wifi or VPN though.

(file copying was slow and unreliable for how long ?) I also have spent countless hours fixing friends PC's and the more I grew to learn about Vista the more I saw it as a failure and kept wondering why they bungled basic simple things (working folder views) yet heaped on all these half baked gimmicks. I found the 3D accelerated desktop novel for a little while( though not on par with some other OS offerings like compiz/fusion) Not something I'd personally consider using an OS for anyway but meh. I guess the OS being at best on par with XP and shinny if not a resource hog, and at wost less productive and annoying is the truth for most people. I do think many people are going to decide they like it no matter what because they have to adopt it sooner or later and I think Microsoft really has lost site of what a desktop OS should be, or maybe they always were more enterprise focused ? Now they do seem to only care that they get that DRM adopted so they can get content exclusives from the media producers and make a run at Applies video/music, media delivery market share. Seems they really cut some corners mabey and I don't think Vista offers much over XP except bloat, some eye candy and mabey some bugs. I got my hands on the MSDN Server 2008 CD and it is quite fantastic. With the plethora of really useful features and the nifty slim core server it seems to have been developed under entirely different direction than Vista. If server 2008 , Vista and Windows 7 share the same core then (not sure about that) maybe there is hope they can fix it or at least redeem with Windows 7. That is if they stop talking about all that web desktop stuff they want to use it to hit Google with, how they can screw VMware with it, or that pen tablet of the future that makes books and keyboards obsolete stuff that seems to put a little glint in old Bill Gates' eye every time he talks about it. (I'll believe it when I see it). If they focus on a sold efficient OS with real features like 2008. Oh well, while they are taking a stab at Google maybe Google will release that rumored user friendly *Nix based PC OS they keep denying they are working on and then someday we can complain about them being a monopoly that rolls out re-hashed junk too.
 
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