Microsoft: Pirated Windows 7 Will Still Get Updates

[terr281]

zipzoomflyhigh's comment is correct, in that illegal copies of XP Pro CANNOT receive updates anymore via Automatic Updates due to Genuine Advantage.

 

[bill gates is your daddy]

[citation][nom]rooket[/nom]anamaniac, it is a pain to run a pirated copy of vista, I wouldn't be surprised if it is even more of a PITA to run Windows 7 non-legit. They tend to do security updates that check for pirated copies and will evidentally block you out of the entire O/S. That wasn't mentioned in this article, but it is part of their security updates. Which is why if you run non-legit Vista, you usually are better off reinstalling the entire o/s with a slipstreamed copy rather than using their online updates. I'd more than suggest going legit in this case, as the time you spend rebuilding your machine is probably more valuable than the $300 or whatever bloated price they charge for the full version of Vista Ultimate.[/citation]

Obviously you don't have a clue of what you are doing. Since the invention of the PC I cannot remember one time I have ever purchased software. Updates run all the time and update my little computer like it should and never questions it.

 

[nekatreven]

[citation][nom]zipzoomflyhigh[/nom]That's a lie. My friend has a bootleg XP pro, and you cant get any updates at all because the first update that it shows is "windows genuine advantage". Theres also no longer the option to only install the updates you want. So in order to get updates, you have to install "windows genuine advantage", which will tell you your copy of Windows is no good and you cant get updates.[/citation]

The OS does not know for sure that it is bootleg without wga, which is the whole reason you're trying to avoid that update. The product key and required activation won't tell it for sure, thats why they made wga in the first place!

Since the system doesn't have wga on it and doesn't know it is bootleg the auto-updates should work like any other system. So you can just go to custom and deselect the wga update.

The idea that the OS already 'knows' its bootleg and has removed your ability to deselect that update just doesn't make sense. If it could already figure that out for sure then MS wouldn't have wasted their time making wga in the first place.

 

[bildo123]

[citation][nom]rooket[/nom]anamaniac, it is a pain to run a pirated copy of vista, I wouldn't be surprised if it is even more of a PITA to run Windows 7 non-legit. They tend to do security updates that check for pirated copies and will evidentally block you out of the entire O/S. That wasn't mentioned in this article, but it is part of their security updates. Which is why if you run non-legit Vista, you usually are better off reinstalling the entire o/s with a slipstreamed copy rather than using their online updates. I'd more than suggest going legit in this case, as the time you spend rebuilding your machine is probably more valuable than the $300 or whatever bloated price they charge for the full version of Vista Ultimate.[/citation]

Couple hundred? Sorry for the late news but if you pick up an OEM version of the software found on newegg, zipzoomfly, and this other one (of course I forgot the name now) but I picked up Vista Home Basic for $73 shipped back in late 2007.

Also the reason I bought my license to use a MS OS is so I can get updates. Of course I'm still staying legit but I can guarantee this has many people saying why bother. Also too, you never know what kind of traps could be integrated in the pirated version of Windows.

 

[dextermat]

Why not just make a windows 7 With adds that is totally free (Basic version) but no MS malaware of course.

I think that would be the best option and MS would make money.
And like magic no more bootlegged windows

One question is Microsoft mad about people Using illegals copies of Windows or is it worse when a company sell an illegal copy of windows Stating that it is legal???

 

[rooket]

[citation][nom]outacontrolpimp[/nom]sitting on a crack? ok???.......... I use windows 7 so im not worried about it telling me i cant get in, at least for another yearm then im buying windows 7 anyways. most people say reinstalling, not rebuilding. and how do i need to proof read, theres no spelling errors besides the ' which kids dont use anyways.also i used a pirated version of vista i downloaded and used it for about a year without it being legit, then i looked around for some codes, got one working, then it was a legit copy. the only bad thing was that i had to wait 15 seconds each time before i could log in, because they asked to activate.with dual boot, you can back up each one, if it locks you out, you switch, and transfer your files. not that hard[/citation]

I'm not going to bother reading this because I don't find you very knowledgable about Microsoft's new anti piracy and anti malware protections that are built into Windows Vista and just reply to one bit of it.

All I meant by proof reading is that you could read what you say before you click "Submit my comment". You personally attacked me and I am not about to do the same to you. I believe it is against the rules of this message board to flame people and that you should treat others with the same respect that you feel that you yourself deserve.

 

[rooket]

[citation][nom]bildo123[/nom]Couple hundred? Sorry for the late news but if you pick up an OEM version of the software found on newegg, zipzoomfly, and this other one (of course I forgot the name now) but I picked up Vista Home Basic for $73 shipped back in late 2007.Also the reason I bought my license to use a MS OS is so I can get updates. Of course I'm still staying legit but I can guarantee this has many people saying why bother. Also too, you never know what kind of traps could be integrated in the pirated version of Windows.[/citation]

I mentioned Vista Ultimate, not the stripped down version. And isn't home the 2nd most stripped down version of Vista? Of course it is going to be cheap. I haven't seen anyone selling the introductory version, I'd assume that one would be somewhere around $40-$50 if one could source it.

 

[rooket]

[citation][nom]zipzoomflyhigh[/nom]That's a lie. My friend has a bootleg XP pro, and you cant get any updates at all because the first update that it shows is "windows genuine advantage". Theres also no longer the option to only install the updates you want. So in order to get updates, you have to install "windows genuine advantage", which will tell you your copy of Windows is no good and you cant get updates.[/citation]

Well XP pro is a little different. I've seen many do automatic updates and then come up with that WGA message at the login screen. At least XP cripple your o/s for having non legit. But M$ will use their WGA malware if you will, to try to beg you for something like $129 for a legit copy of their o/s. I haven't met anyone yet that has purchased it after getting that message ;-)

 

[duzcizgi]

[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]What percentage of OS pirates, after enjoying a thing called "free," would later go and buy the software? The same argument applies as with game piracy. These people never will nor would have bought anything.[/citation]
As soon as they have the income to afford that, mate.
I pirated Windows since 3.1, but at the end, bought XP Pro & Vista Ultimate. Some people pirate, just because they want to pirate, like vandals destroying just to destroy. Some others pirate because they need it at the moment, but it's far from their reach, as prices higher than they can afford. Believe me, second type consist of more than half of all pirates. And MS is right, if people pirate, let them pirate my product, instead of my competitors. So, if they decide to buy later in time, they buy mine, not my competitors'. And believe me, we buy at the end of the day. Because, although we "leech" for some time, just because of financial situation, we buy at the end, if it is really helpful for us.
Hey, I've just bought SolidWorks for $2K, after using it 6 monthes pirated. And you know what, I'm using SolidWorks just for fun. Not professionaly.

 

[duzcizgi]

[citation][nom]zipzoomflyhigh[/nom]That's a lie. My friend has a bootleg XP pro, and you cant get any updates at all because the first update that it shows is "windows genuine advantage". Theres also no longer the option to only install the updates you want. So in order to get updates, you have to install "windows genuine advantage", which will tell you your copy of Windows is no good and you cant get updates.[/citation]
You get the updates. But only security related ones. And it doesn't allow you to select what and when to install.
It just downloads & installs the security updates. All other updates, well, go buy the OS. Right?

 

[anamaniac]

[citation][nom]duzcizgi[/nom]As soon as they have the income to afford that, mate. I pirated Windows since 3.1, but at the end, bought XP Pro & Vista Ultimate. Some people pirate, just because they want to pirate, like vandals destroying just to destroy. Some others pirate because they need it at the moment, but it's far from their reach, as prices higher than they can afford. Believe me, second type consist of more than half of all pirates. And MS is right, if people pirate, let them pirate my product, instead of my competitors. So, if they decide to buy later in time, they buy mine, not my competitors'. And believe me, we buy at the end of the day. Because, although we "leech" for some time, just because of financial situation, we buy at the end, if it is really helpful for us.Hey, I've just bought SolidWorks for $2K, after using it 6 monthes pirated. And you know what, I'm using SolidWorks just for fun. Not professionaly.[/citation]

Nicely put.
I cannot afford anything right now myself.
I do prefer to stay legit however.
I have junk I need before I can afford software that doesn't mae a huge difference for me in the first play.
I've ripped a lot of games through the times.
But my legit game collection has likely been $5000+.

I do plan to buy Windows 7 eventually, but at the moment, I can't afford it. Rent is going to kick me in the ass soon, and I can't afford that, so how am I going to buy all the software required for a PC? I've gotten comfortable with Windows, MS Office etc. even though I can use Unix, Open Office etc.
Microsoft did a good job on Windows 7, and I do believe they deserve compensation.
EA pumps out crappy games that are expensive, such to the point I don't even rip EA games anymore because of how much I hate them. I'll keep my money for this one.
I also support the entertainment industry still... sent $40 to my favorite Flash artist for free content, but I'll rip my movies instead.

Sometimes, however, yeah. I just pirate to pirate. (Also Canadian law is quite relaxed towards pirates.)

Aargh!

 

[Guest]

Pirated Vista isn't a PITA, Tiny Vista is running just fine and even faster than XP, with Aero Glass and Dreamscene running=) I'll probably end up buying Windows 7 though. The main reason I'm using Tiny Vista is because I can't run regular Vista, my computer doesn't meet all the requirements. But I'm upgrading my pc bit by bit, and eventually I'll be able to run anything, and hopefully by then I'll be able to afford whatever the newest OS is.

 

[Guest]

Microsoft has been turning a blind eye to pirates for years on end, and this isn't due to negligence, this has been done on purpose. If pirates cannot get security updates it will make their pirated verison of windows redundant and they will have no choice but to either buy a legit key OR turn to a free OS like LINUX.. I'm guessing the pirates are most likely to not cash in and turn to linux. What will happen then? The pirate will get used to linux and slowly but surely end up liking it and will become a loyal linux fan.. and poof goes windows' market share one by one.

Microsoft is simply taking the lessor of two evils, allow pirates to use their OS and keep them hooked on windows, or banish them to linux.

 

[Guest]

They are THAT desperate to get rid of XP, because they couldn't with Vista.

The amusing (For a Linux user.) truth of this is the fact that pirated copies of Windows effortlessly fool Microsoft servers into thinking they are genuine anyway. WGA was such a lame duck. This suggests to me that this is still a fruitless effort on their part to get people to switch from what "works." (Things Just Working is a relative term. I probably never would have forgiven my Linux install if it behaved like Windows XP.)

And again, a Linux user can just laugh because they don't have to worry about crap like that anymore, since Linux is freely available and provides solid updates anyway.

And remember what Bill Gates himself said: If enough people in China pirate Windows, at least they aren't using the competition. They could care less if people actually illegally use their software just so long as its THEIR software they are using.

Apparently though people missed the memo on freely available alternatives. Here's a tip: If you can't afford Windows/Office/etc, there's plenty of FOSS alternatives that'll do just as well and in many cases, BETTER.

 

[magnumfinger]

Here's the twist, in the Philippines, some people are making the "cracked" version of Windows 7 a big business. Millions of windows 7 CDs that cost less than 2USD are circulating the main city. People are buying this stuff thinking that its a good deal. Some people don't know that its a death knell. They may literally burned cash and it's a total ripoff.
Some hackers may dupe microsoft but for so long, reports said that Microsoft guys are thinking of a turn around to bust this leaked Windows 7. I happen to remember the 1Million xbox 360 users who were banned for using pirated Modern Warfare. =)
http://bit.ly/Pirated-WIndows7-Philippines

 

[Guest]

Consider the number of good people inadvertently placed in a low income (low? hell, some are barely survivable) position by a disability. As example myself. In college I earned a Ph.D in behavioral psychology and was able to practice only a year before becoming a victim of melanoma cancer that nearly killed me and left me in chronic acute pain the remainder of my life, unable to walk more than a few feet.

Without a decent operating system I would not be able to have a working computer. While my computer is old because buying one of those is nearly impossible, I was able to continually fill it with software via the Internet. I am up to date in that regard and I can at least fill my days with learning and now refining my hacking skills.

I have to pirate software. Of the thousands of software programs on my machine only eight are not pirated. I actually contact the maker, tell my story, and ask if they would allow me a copy so I am not put in the position of pirating. Most refuse as America is not known for polite, understanding, generous people. This is why we are often seen as either "The ugly Americans" in foreign countries, or as they do in Mexico and most of South America, as walking money available for theft.

Microsoft refused me with a most nasty message that actually told me top get a job, so I willingly pirate Microsoft. While I do not hold the company completely responsible for that horrid letter, I do harbor some intense feelings toward them. I want a job! Desperately! No one will hire me however as I am in the hospital too frequently and can't even sit at a computer much.

Still, their comment stung me horribly. That was almost 20 years ago and it still burns. I can't help but think how much money Bill gates has and how I have to do without anything, under daily stress that I will be sick too many times this year and loose the house. That the car will break, or the roof need fixing.

I should relax. everyone picks on the disabled. Even the local USDA who serves up federal grants screwed me. They gave me a grant for $7,500 and sent a contractor who cheated me so badly that I don't have a bathroom now and have to poo in a five gallon bucket that my nurse must empty down the sewer out back. Four nurses have quit because of that and that they don't like it that they have to actually work and my needs interrupt their soap operas.

Such is life in America. Now that you know this I bet I get (as usual) a dozen complaining posts that I should be grateful I am in America, and blah, blah, and not one effort to assist. No one has ever assisted me. That is the disabled persons one single major notice--that not one person cares.

They don't know that other countries treat their disabled far better and that in most medicine is better and always cheaper. Even Poor Mexico treats people better. I had to live there when I first went on disability because it's impossible to survive on $480 a month. I lived in Mexico for years and people were grand. They were giving, warm, helpful, kind, etc. They even gave my wife and I money. In Mexico, for $240 a year, we were provided full medical insurance. Covered teeth, vision, medical, even transportation to the major medical center in Guadalajara and housing if needed. Everything. Americans don't realize how poorly we are treated because we are sheltered by ignorance and that old saw about America being the best. Maybe once. Not now.

Once, my wife (an American) went into ICU in a Mexican hospital for 9 days. We were uninsured and had no money to cover that and the bill was only $600 for everything. The girl behind the counter where patients pay on check out, was authorized to drop it to $60, and she did without a fuss. We only had to sign a form with one paragraph on it. In America that would be 10 pages and a lien on our first born because Americans just don't get it. We aren't friendly to strangers at all here. We are suspicious as hell and nasty.

As I have said not one American has ever lifted a finger to assist us. In other countries we are treated with respect, assisted, and cared for.

Americans need to realize this and change.

 

[Guest]

I bought windows 7 home premium...I have two PC can I install them on both and still register them so I can get updates and all that stuff?

 

[Guest]

I have a copy Windows 7 Ultimate that Microsoft says is not legal. It ran fine for months and then I get this email that my software is not legal. I was getting updates and everything was fine until today. I could not boot up with Windows 7 and the message said that my operating system was not repairable. Lucky for me I installed the Umbutu operating system last week to try it out and when I booted it up the pc powered right up with no problems. So much for Microsoft not messing with your software! Oh by the way Umbutu is FREE and it is easy to use.

 

[Guest]

The main reason why Microsoft allow updates to continue is to ensure that Windows validation is included in the updates, thus ensuring that eventually the non-genuine copies will be subjected to validation check when MS rolls out validation checks under the guise of security updates. If the usual channels are being blocked from checking the authenticity of the installed copy, then MS will seek to install checks with different titles.

 

[Savvy_01]

[citation][nom]The Schnoz[/nom]Not true. They are doing this so that the user's experience with Windows is still enjoyable and secure. Each pirate may become a future customer so it is within their best interest to satisfy every customer. Microsoft would rather you pirate their software than use Linux or OSX and thats the bottom line.[/citation]
What percentage of OS pirates, after enjoying a thing called "free," would later go and buy the software? The same argument applies as with game piracy. These people never will nor would have bought anything.

Not true at all. There are people who pirate games and software with the intention of never buying it, however, I have pirated games and then went on to buy them afterwards. This is mainly due to the fact that I'd rather play on xbox than PC due to the ease of using a controller. So I download freebie off of [insert favorite pirate site here] and then try it out. If it's good, I'll go buy it to play on xbox. Once I get a graphics card, I'll more than likely do the exact same thing, only not buy for xbox. So, your statement is false: There are SOME pirates that will support the developers and buy the software/games.

Another example: I bought a computer that came with Win7, but when i built my new rig, the OEM copy wouldn't cross over so I had a "back up" of it installed. I have bought every single piece of software I've pirated. If i haven't, then it's because it sucked and I deleted it. Maybe if they had demos/free trials, I wouldn't have this problem.