News Microsoft stifles third-party interface customization apps in Windows 11 Version 24H2

[palladin9479]

Microsoft doesn't know how to create UIs anymore.

This isn't true, Microsoft does know how to create UI's, they just do not want to make a Desktop orientated one. This goes all the way to Windows 8 and the "Desktop is dead, all hail our new Tablet overlords" mantra back then. Microsoft then went out and attempted to create a "unified" UI called Metro that would look the same on Microsoft Tablets, Phones and yes Desktops. They've seen Apple pull off a similar move with iOS for the iConsumers and Microsoft is trying to emulate them.

Of course people use Desktops differently then they do Phones and Tablets, so MS is choosing Phone / Tablet functionality over Desktop while expecting the evangelicals to convince everyone to change how they use their Desktop to fit Microsoft's new Mobile-Orientated UI.

My response is a giant middle finder and then using OpenShell combined with W10Privacy to make Windows 10 work the way I want it to. Microsoft will stop the Windows 11 shenanigans once they are ready to start pushing Windows 12, which is the same time I'll consider moving to 11.

 

[35below0]

People are spending tens and hundreds of hours trying to get around Microsoft shenanigans. That's the first instant. How much i$ your time worth? People want to customize their experience, only to find out that Microsoft is more Apple than they realize or MS lets on.

There is truth to this, but you're overlooking the vast majority who spend very little or no time at all "fightning" the Win 11 UI.
The bigger barrier to Win 11 adoption is the steep hardware requirement compared to Win 10, with very little perceptible performance increase. Plus people do resent that Win 10 is going to be dropped. Win 10 support ending is the major reason to move to 11.
11 itself is not bad.

At this time it is very realistic to say that it is easier to install Linux than it is to install Windows.

This is extremly biased. You're implying that installing and using an OS is the same thing. It is not. Linux still, after more than a decade of seriuos effort has nothing to offer to your average Windows user. Apple is a far more attractive alternative.

Whichever of the three you choose, you will have to suffer their own idiosyncrasies. All three can be very unpleasent. It's a matter of personal opinion/habit to stick with the one that sucks the least.

Linux doesn't throw up all of these artificial barriers to UI changes, which is why in part Windows keeps shrinking and Linux keeps growing. It is true that way more people are paper tigers who make baseless idle threats that they'll switch, but at the end of the day it is palpable and real for a small percentage.

Linux will uninstall your wifi adapter driver to upgrade to a new version. Only to get stuck trying to download a driver using a wifi connection that no longer exists. Because the OS uninstalled the driver...

Linux is NOT the magic bullet. Those paper tigers may get fed up enough to actually switch, and then they will hit the wall people have been hitting for 20+ years.
Linux is about 4% as useful as Windows is, whatever it's advantages may be.

You may think i'm too stupid to use Linux. I want a usefull OS. Not one i don't have to fight with, but one that i can forget is there and use applications, videos, pictures, etc.
I wouldn't care about an OS, but time and again people argue that Windows is trash. It is. And when i want to solve a problem i can find a solution quickly compared to fruitles searching for answers to Linux headaches, that result in ancient posts from ancient forums from ancient 2005 or so.
All that shows is that the problem has been around forever and no solution exists. Other than "you're too stupid to use Linux, this is not Windows".
There will be dozens of problems like that for anyone switching from Windows to Linux.

I know Linux isn't trash, but it's just as bad at it's worst as Windows. And it is not more useful or reliable. It's not even as useful and reliable. Probably many will disagree with this but that's been my experience. People aren't jumping on that bandwagon despite it being free. For good reason.

The above doesn't exhonerate Microsoft from their terrible decisions and mistakes.

 

[NinoPino]

Linux will uninstall your wifi adapter driver to upgrade to a new version....

Hard to believe because linux drivers are part of the kernel (the vast majority) and it is simply impossible to happen what you say.

... Linux is NOT the magic bullet.

True.

Those paper tigers may get fed up enough to actually switch, and then they will hit the wall people have been hitting for 20+ years.
Linux is about 4% as useful as Windows is, whatever it's advantages may be.

In the last 20 years the OSS in general is evolved and many applications are viable for normal use.

You may think i'm too stupid to use Linux. I want a usefull OS. Not one i don't have to fight with, but one that i can forget is there and use applications, videos, pictures, etc.
I wouldn't care about an OS, but time and again people argue that Windows is trash. It is. And when i want to solve a problem i can find a solution quickly compared to fruitles searching for answers to Linux headaches, that result in ancient posts from ancient forums from ancient 2005 or so.
All that shows is that the problem has been around forever and no solution exists. Other than "you're too stupid to use Linux, this is not Windows".
There will be dozens of problems like that for anyone switching from Windows to Linux.

In part it is true but you are exaggerating, often all go straightforward.

I know Linux isn't trash, but it's just as bad at it's worst as Windows. And it is not more useful or reliable. It's not even as useful and reliable. Probably many will disagree with this but that's been my experience. People aren't jumping on that bandwagon despite it being free. For good reason.

True that it is not so useful in personal computing but the reliability is first class (think at the server segment).

The above doesn't exhonerate Microsoft from their terrible decisions and mistakes.

Agree.

 

[35below0]

Hard to believe because linux drivers are part of the kernel (the vast majority) and it is simply impossible to happen what you say.

It did happen. I had to carry the PC case, mouse/keyb, monitor to a spot in the house where the ethernet cable could reach.
Happened in the middle of a Debian upgrade. Interrupting it risked screwing up the OS. Basically the computer would have been unusable, or at least the Linux partition would have become messed up.

I concede this is a very rare and very extreme example, and it was caused by a rather unorthodox wifi device more than the OS itself, but still... The "bulletproof" Debian collapsed like a house made of toilet paper. All because of a simple miss-step in the device driver installation process.

As for the other exaggeration, it's true enough. My experiences have been difficult. When Debian worked, it was fine though not superior to Windows except for security. When there was a problem, it was always a major problem.
After i've had enough of those, and the OS made me haul a CRT monitor around the house 😒 ... i gave up on using Linux long term.
I've tried a bunch of distros, not to give Linux a chance but because i wanted to use them. It's ok but not better than Windows is my verdict, and i have no desire to dedicate time to Linux.

That's kinda my point. Not that it sucks so bad (though it can), but that it is NOT an alternative to Windows. Linux is very much it's own world. So for anyone fed up with Microsoft: a) don't believe Linux will be pain-free, and b) you will lose more than realize.

But by all mean, give it a try. I have no regrets. I may be a little bitter is all.

c) you'll be back as soon as Microsoft trips over it's own feet and releases a good Windows again. 😉

 

[coromonadalix]

on w11 23h2 a perfectly working Intel lan and bluetooth card on win 10 was rendered useless

bcause win11 think the drivers are not safe anymore since the upgrade ??? and all the drivers come from Intel took me a very long time to figure out this one .... until you find where it complains about them .....

and it's an mini pci-e card inserted in a lenovo sff pc, did they began to white list or black list drivers as others do ???

once again good job msoft gooood job thumbs down

 

[time_lord]

As the release date for Windows 11 24H2 nears, the RTM version of Windows has blocked customization options, citing security and stability concerns.

Microsoft stifles third-party interface customization apps in Windows 11 Version 24H2 : Read more

Windows 11's user interface is truly dreadful POS. That is why people use apps to customize it.

This is just another example of Satya Nadella's Microsoft going back to the bad old days of being an evil corporation, focused entirely on greed, arrogance and bullying of Windows users.