After seeing that chart, why didn't they also include that Windows Update works better on Windows and not at all on Linux? Some of those points are a no-brainer, but Linux is more powerful, and an even more important point; less confined to what it can run/do than Windows. When a consumer walks into a store, the comfort zone takes over and they automatically look at a Windows-run PC anyway. Why even pick on something that is a David versus Goliath contest? Why not make their point more towards how much better they are than a MAC?
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Come on...the windows aero was a copy of SUSE, and in SUSE don't use all the memory that use in vista or win 7... Linux is Linux, windows is on the first place 'cause many games only work in windows and the most of the companies of the world use windows for his workstations.
Remember that some of the animated movies like ice age, was made on linux.
Remember that some of the animated movies like ice age, was made on linux.
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[citation][nom]Matt_B[/nom]Why not make their point more towards how much better they are than a MAC?[/citation]
Because that is as much of a no-brainer as the Windows Update statement. Plus you are locked into Apple only hardware for the life of the machine, OSX isn't free, games on Mac are a joke, a similarly specification Mac cost twice as much as a PC counterpart, (or the same price PC runs twice as fast). Remind me again why Apple is better than buying a PC, without refering to the case being white or made from aluminium, cos PCs can have those too....
Because that is as much of a no-brainer as the Windows Update statement. Plus you are locked into Apple only hardware for the life of the machine, OSX isn't free, games on Mac are a joke, a similarly specification Mac cost twice as much as a PC counterpart, (or the same price PC runs twice as fast). Remind me again why Apple is better than buying a PC, without refering to the case being white or made from aluminium, cos PCs can have those too....
It's interesting to see that Microsoft is acknowledging that Linux is a threat to its sales. Microsoft hardly mentioned Linux, until about a year ago when Linux started to get mentioned quite frequently. I believe this is legit, as it would stay on the path that they've been going on the past year with anti-Linux propaganda.
I instantly back up the other posts here that support Linux. I use Linux for my personal business since 2001, and I use it solely at home for everyday use. I already know that if I used Windows for my business, I would not be in business today due to the continuous licensing and maintenance costs. Linux works great, and is extremely powerful. The array of software available for Linux is astounding.
I am hoping that this campaign of Microsoft against Linux will actually bring Linux to light for those that may not have heard of it before. Once people actually sit down and learn Linux, I think many will realize that it's actually easier to maintain than Windows. No spyware, no viruses, easy and plain text configuration files, and the list goes on.
http://members.apex-internet.com/sa/windowslinux
I instantly back up the other posts here that support Linux. I use Linux for my personal business since 2001, and I use it solely at home for everyday use. I already know that if I used Windows for my business, I would not be in business today due to the continuous licensing and maintenance costs. Linux works great, and is extremely powerful. The array of software available for Linux is astounding.
I am hoping that this campaign of Microsoft against Linux will actually bring Linux to light for those that may not have heard of it before. Once people actually sit down and learn Linux, I think many will realize that it's actually easier to maintain than Windows. No spyware, no viruses, easy and plain text configuration files, and the list goes on.
http://members.apex-internet.com/sa/windowslinux
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If people genuinely think that an average Linux distro is now perfectly acceptable as the dominant OS for desktop PCs in the world, they are kidding themselves. The supposed safety from viruses will evapourate when all the worlds virus writers concentrate on taking down the "big man".
Rightly so, Linux is an up-and-coming threat, but it isn't there yet. MS may well be being proactive by attempting to deflect users going to Linux, as it stands the consumer will see it as a benefit so they aren't disappointed when nothing works.
When the Linux community gets a bit more organised and has a single distro, total software support, games support, hardware support, peripheral support - then it will be a dirty fight, until then the only person who loses is Joe Public when he pays for a Linux PC and cant load up a Word, his iPod or play UT3.
Rightly so, Linux is an up-and-coming threat, but it isn't there yet. MS may well be being proactive by attempting to deflect users going to Linux, as it stands the consumer will see it as a benefit so they aren't disappointed when nothing works.
When the Linux community gets a bit more organised and has a single distro, total software support, games support, hardware support, peripheral support - then it will be a dirty fight, until then the only person who loses is Joe Public when he pays for a Linux PC and cant load up a Word, his iPod or play UT3.
Discussion Windows vs. Linux in this case is irrelevant. The real questions are:
1. Why anyone should buy something from BestBuy and Microsoft that are training their employees to be dishonest?
2. Why we are making excuses like "it is their job"?
3. Most people states that they hate lyres, but some how it is ok when corporation is lying. That does not make any sense. Companies has no sole on their own. Companies are the face of the people working for it. If the company is lying the people working for that company are lyres also. Are we going to continue to be a society of lyres?
4. If you choose to deal with lyres, why you expecting they to be honest when you have a problem and need help?
1. Why anyone should buy something from BestBuy and Microsoft that are training their employees to be dishonest?
2. Why we are making excuses like "it is their job"?
3. Most people states that they hate lyres, but some how it is ok when corporation is lying. That does not make any sense. Companies has no sole on their own. Companies are the face of the people working for it. If the company is lying the people working for that company are lyres also. Are we going to continue to be a society of lyres?
4. If you choose to deal with lyres, why you expecting they to be honest when you have a problem and need help?
Sound tricky...
I see the picture... but nothing wrong...
Microsoft Windows is the main OS where developer build application.
All "Camera, iPod, and MP3" are compatible with Windows (except few only for apple).
All "Printers and scanners" are compatible with Windows (except few).
So on 100% compatible with Windows perhaps 60% have drivers for Linux.
So it's not totally wrong.
Most PC softwares are for Windows as main target. Linux doesn't have so much alternative.
Windows Live Essentials aren't for Linux.
You don't have 100% support for your game because it's not build for your Linux.
Authorized support, basicly you pay for MS support.
IM is Windows live...
So this doesn't mean anything... just MS have monopole.
And there is only Apple to be worse.
I see the picture... but nothing wrong...
Microsoft Windows is the main OS where developer build application.
All "Camera, iPod, and MP3" are compatible with Windows (except few only for apple).
All "Printers and scanners" are compatible with Windows (except few).
So on 100% compatible with Windows perhaps 60% have drivers for Linux.
So it's not totally wrong.
Most PC softwares are for Windows as main target. Linux doesn't have so much alternative.
Windows Live Essentials aren't for Linux.
You don't have 100% support for your game because it's not build for your Linux.
Authorized support, basicly you pay for MS support.
IM is Windows live...
So this doesn't mean anything... just MS have monopole.
And there is only Apple to be worse.
[citation][nom]backbydemand[/nom]So that pretty much answers my question, for a games enthusiast who doesn't want to be restricted by a console resolutions, (I can push out a healthy 2560 x 1920), I want to put the disk in my machine or download it direct via Steam, and run it. Linux wont do this for me. I have to get an extra piece of software called WINE which doesn't always work, no professional support and seems likely not to do so for the games that most people want to actually play.QEDLinux is no good for gaming.Banging on about WINE is the same as a Windows user saying they can play Gauntlet for the Atari, when clearly they can't unless they use an emulator.The statement about iPod support is again perfectly valid. People have been known to use an iPod on Linux, you will notice on the graphic the slider is set low, not off, so that indicates intermittant support. Maybe it will, maybe it wont. At least with a Windows machine you run iTunes and it works first time every time.The software support, well, lets get this right, this is a sales training article. Mr & Mrs Joe Public are in Best Buy and they have just decided on that shiny new Linux PC, then Joe moves to the software aisle and asks about MS Office. What exactly is the salesman going to say? "Sure thing, no problems, just load it up and start writing letters"Bull.[/citation]
WINE is free, like 99% of the rest of software out there for Linux. Cedega is the version you do buy for tech support and better support of Windows software. MS office has been installed on Linux numerous times flawlessly as well. Although, Linux comes with Openoffice, which is every bit of useful and competent as MS Office is. It even has support for MS Office file extensions for both reading and saving of the various file formats/extensions. Someone that actually has an MP3 player besides and Ipod will have no problem using Linux. Itunes/Ipods actually worked on Linux for a while until Apple decided they wanted to stop people using it under WINE.
The way I look at it for the basic user standpoint (keyword is basic) is this:
OS:
Linux = $0
Windows starts at about $100
Office Suite:
OpenOffice = $0
MS Office = $110 for the version worthwhile
System Protection: (Antivirus, Firewall, Anti-spam, a good defragmenting program, ant-spyware, Windows registry repair, and so on)
Linux = $0 for all of the above that apply
Windows = varies too much, but i'll throw out the conservative number $50 (some are subscription-based and have recurring costs though).
Right off the bat, a user of this new computer that does email, office applications, internet browsing and things like HULU and Youtube, video chat, and so on, just saved a minimum of $260 (realistically is more like over $300) over things that weren't necessary. This is the type of user that strongly benefits from choices such as this scenario!
WINE is free, like 99% of the rest of software out there for Linux. Cedega is the version you do buy for tech support and better support of Windows software. MS office has been installed on Linux numerous times flawlessly as well. Although, Linux comes with Openoffice, which is every bit of useful and competent as MS Office is. It even has support for MS Office file extensions for both reading and saving of the various file formats/extensions. Someone that actually has an MP3 player besides and Ipod will have no problem using Linux. Itunes/Ipods actually worked on Linux for a while until Apple decided they wanted to stop people using it under WINE.
The way I look at it for the basic user standpoint (keyword is basic) is this:
OS:
Linux = $0
Windows starts at about $100
Office Suite:
OpenOffice = $0
MS Office = $110 for the version worthwhile
System Protection: (Antivirus, Firewall, Anti-spam, a good defragmenting program, ant-spyware, Windows registry repair, and so on)
Linux = $0 for all of the above that apply
Windows = varies too much, but i'll throw out the conservative number $50 (some are subscription-based and have recurring costs though).
Right off the bat, a user of this new computer that does email, office applications, internet browsing and things like HULU and Youtube, video chat, and so on, just saved a minimum of $260 (realistically is more like over $300) over things that weren't necessary. This is the type of user that strongly benefits from choices such as this scenario!
[citation][nom]backbydemand[/nom]Dog shit is free too, but you don't see millions of people rushing to get their hands on it.[/citation]
Maybe because dog shit is not really useful for any one, so they try to stay away or at least not to step in it 😉.
Windows or Linux it is really a question of intended use. For a gamer Linux really is not an option as there are almost no "big" games written directly for it; same goes for professional photo and video editing (but things are improving fast), but for web browsing, office use and such I personally prefer Linux (where you get for free different office suits).
Any way this discussion remembers me on endless (and rather pointless) arguing when I was young about pro's and con's of Sinclair ZX Spectrum and Commodore C 64 and supposed superiority of one over the other.
Maybe because dog shit is not really useful for any one, so they try to stay away or at least not to step in it 😉.
Windows or Linux it is really a question of intended use. For a gamer Linux really is not an option as there are almost no "big" games written directly for it; same goes for professional photo and video editing (but things are improving fast), but for web browsing, office use and such I personally prefer Linux (where you get for free different office suits).
Any way this discussion remembers me on endless (and rather pointless) arguing when I was young about pro's and con's of Sinclair ZX Spectrum and Commodore C 64 and supposed superiority of one over the other.
[citation][nom]backbydemand[/nom]Because that is as much of a no-brainer as the Windows Update statement.[/citation]
My point referring to Windows Live Essentials being presented as not compatible with Linux - of course it's a no-brainer. That's why I threw Windows Update out there to counter such a pointless positive argument out of sarcasm.
[citation][nom]backbydemand[/nom] Plus you are locked into Apple only hardware for the life of the machine, OSX isn't free, games on Mac are a joke, a similarly specification Mac cost twice as much as a PC counterpart, (or the same price PC runs twice as fast). Remind me again why Apple is better than buying a PC, without refering to the case being white or made from aluminium, cos PCs can have those too....[/citation]
I also never said that Apple was a better product, you are putting words in my mouth. What I did say was that When someone goes to purchase a new computer, they will be faced with a PC or MAC. Most people will not even know what Linux is. So the focusing factor here is that the direct competition as of now is MAC and not Linux due to name recognition and size of the market share.
On a side note, I would very much like to see a current generation netbook run Windows 7. If indeed this propaganda is aimed directly at the netbook crowd, then let's see how Vista's polished cousin runs on it.
My point referring to Windows Live Essentials being presented as not compatible with Linux - of course it's a no-brainer. That's why I threw Windows Update out there to counter such a pointless positive argument out of sarcasm.
[citation][nom]backbydemand[/nom] Plus you are locked into Apple only hardware for the life of the machine, OSX isn't free, games on Mac are a joke, a similarly specification Mac cost twice as much as a PC counterpart, (or the same price PC runs twice as fast). Remind me again why Apple is better than buying a PC, without refering to the case being white or made from aluminium, cos PCs can have those too....[/citation]
I also never said that Apple was a better product, you are putting words in my mouth. What I did say was that When someone goes to purchase a new computer, they will be faced with a PC or MAC. Most people will not even know what Linux is. So the focusing factor here is that the direct competition as of now is MAC and not Linux due to name recognition and size of the market share.
On a side note, I would very much like to see a current generation netbook run Windows 7. If indeed this propaganda is aimed directly at the netbook crowd, then let's see how Vista's polished cousin runs on it.
Any compatibility issues are a moot point: A netbook with Linux pre-installed has been tested to work with all of the hardware. Nobody is going to game on a netbook anyways, so that's also a moot point, and Linux is likely to come with all of your email, IM and office applications pre-installed, and free of crap-ware. Linux is flat out superior for netbooks, unless MS is going to sell Win7 + Office2007 for $5.
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I code software professionally for just about every main stream OS (Windows, OS X, Linux/Unix). They all have strengths and weaknesses. Linux is incredibly flexible and expandable and FAST (it's used on systems that require 24/7 stability and reliability) and can offer a tiny footprint. It's the tool of choice for web servers, 64bit computing, and companies that do A LOT of video/audio rendering (motion picture industry).
OS X 10.6 is pretty powerful also (beyond it's interface) and is just an interface difference with some prioprietary EFI firmware that separates it from Linux -- OS X has very powerful scripting. OS X provides better security than Windows 7 and certainly less annoying security as it understands a user context state, whereas Windows 7 still lacks this fundamental security concept (the event message queue has everything there, just Windows 7 doesn't do anything with the context -- my hunch is a compatibility paradox - it would break many existing Windows applications).
Windows 7, however, will not install Microsoft's own Visual Studio 2008 development platform "setup.exe has encountered a problem ..." -- a recent call to Microsoft reps and they suggested that I wait for Visual Studio 2010 which will be designed to run on Windows 7. You guessed it, a security/permissions problem is preventing the VS 2008 install. As a work-around, install Vista, install VS 2008, then run Windows 7 upgrade.
But I agree 100% it's very clear that Tom's Hardware is officially now a advertising vehicle for Microsoft. Maybe Tom's was bundle in that $3Billion marketing company purchase them made a year or so ago -- I've never seen so many BIAS articles written against Apple and for Microsoft Windows 7.
OS X 10.6 is pretty powerful also (beyond it's interface) and is just an interface difference with some prioprietary EFI firmware that separates it from Linux -- OS X has very powerful scripting. OS X provides better security than Windows 7 and certainly less annoying security as it understands a user context state, whereas Windows 7 still lacks this fundamental security concept (the event message queue has everything there, just Windows 7 doesn't do anything with the context -- my hunch is a compatibility paradox - it would break many existing Windows applications).
Windows 7, however, will not install Microsoft's own Visual Studio 2008 development platform "setup.exe has encountered a problem ..." -- a recent call to Microsoft reps and they suggested that I wait for Visual Studio 2010 which will be designed to run on Windows 7. You guessed it, a security/permissions problem is preventing the VS 2008 install. As a work-around, install Vista, install VS 2008, then run Windows 7 upgrade.
But I agree 100% it's very clear that Tom's Hardware is officially now a advertising vehicle for Microsoft. Maybe Tom's was bundle in that $3Billion marketing company purchase them made a year or so ago -- I've never seen so many BIAS articles written against Apple and for Microsoft Windows 7.
Linux does the job.
I wonder if Win7 uses less battery than Linux.
Linux EXT with noatime enabled is superior to NTFS on SSD's.
I wonder if Win7 uses less battery than Linux.
Linux EXT with noatime enabled is superior to NTFS on SSD's.
Kubuntu 9.10 alpha5 is looking fantastic, it's a real Win7 killer, AND they also have a netbook remix out, although I suspect most netbooks will come with Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu. Check it out.
My comments on what these "training" (read brainwashing) slides say:
"Choice and Compatibility": Yeah, people use MS-compatible software because that's what comes with 99% of computers. It's not their "choice" at all. My Debian GNU/Linux system (I will from now on refer to this a "Linux", since that's what's familiar even if incorrect) comes with tons more software than my Vista system did, and it's quick and easy to add more, AND (with the exception of Publisher files) I have always been able to read files made on a Windows machine with MS software. Linux gives you more choice, and great file compatibility.
"Familiarity": Yeah, that works great until someone who's been using an XP box with Office 2003 gets a Win7 box with the new Office. Suddenly the menus are "gone", you have to make many more extra mouse clicks to accomplish the same tasks, and everything is moved around or missing in the "button-formerly-known-as-Start".
"Peace of Mind": Oh yeah. I'll give you a piece of my mind when I have to constantly worry about the next virus, worm, or spyware attack, or have to constantly strain my already overworked budget to renew licences and upgrade to the newest software because "the company" declares it so.
"Cameras, iPod, and MP3 compatibility": Never met a camera I can't access and automatically import images/movies from on Linux. Never had an iPod, so can't speak for that one. Almost any media player I've ever used on Linux can play MP3's.
"Printers and scanners compatibility": I've got a relatively new Canon printer (came out well after Vista was available). Vista used to be able to print to it. Now it can't. I can't explain why. Linux picked up on it right away without ever having to install a driver disk, and it's never had any problems. All of the scanners I own (both old and new) work great.
"Windows Live Essentials": What's that? From what I can see from the examples list the slides presents in parenthesis, I don't see anything that Linux software can't do.
"Games your customers want": I'm not a gamer, so doesn't apply to me. That said, again, people "want" it because it's what they've seen on Windows. I've actually seen some great looking games on Linux. If Linux was the dominant OS, I'm sure the games they "want" would be the ones they've seen on Linux. As for the WINE issue, I don't see what the problem is. You open your package manager (I use Synaptic), select Wine, hit apply, and it's instantly installed. From then on, to run a Windows program (if it's compatible with Wine), you simply run the installer just as you would from a Windows box, and it runs almost as if it were a native program. Yeah, for more compatibility you could tweak Wine or buy Cedega, or you could run Windows in a Virtual Machine or dual-boot. I just don't see the issue.
"Authorized Support": I've never used phone support, but every time my friends have, they've generally ended up more frustrated than before, because phone support has to go through idiotic "scripts-for-dummys" before you ever get to anything mildly productive (if you do at all). Most of them end up turning to friends or forums for help, which is exactly what you do on Linux. Plus, as others have said, there are "Authorized Support" venues for Linux as well, if you're willing to pay for it like you do on Windows.
"Video chat on all major IM networks": Can someone please tell me what video chat IM networks they're talking about? I can video chat with anyone I know from my Linux box.
"Word Click": I can't find any... Am I doing something wrong? All of the words I see only apply to why Linux is better than Windows! 😉
"Nothing is as complete as Windows 7": Most of the listed programs have Linux alternatives. Granted, Quicken is better than the Linux alternatives so far, and I've never used Zune, so can't speak to that one. But come on: Office 2007 -> OpenOffice. Photoshop -> GIMP/GIMPshop. iTunes -> Songbird, Rhythmbox, many others.
"Easy to Learn": Anyone who knows Windows can easily use the more recent distributions of Linux. And once they get to know Linux, it's a much more versatile, customizable experience! I can make my Linux system look and work like Windows, MacOS, or anything else. I can't make a Windows box look and work like anything but Windows. Yuck!
"Regular updates" and "Free downloads": Ok, they're comparing that to Linux? Linux can be as up-to-date as you choose, and updated as often as you want. And tell me what percentage of available software on Windows is a "free download" compared to Linux?
"Linux updates and upgrades are easy (marked as a myth)": Yes, they are incredibly easy. Let's compare. What I do on Linux: open Synaptic, click "Mark All Updates", then click "Apply". Done. All software throughout the system is up-to-date. On Windows: Go to a web site, download an updated installer, run it, reboot. Ok, one program down. Open a program, click "find updates" or similar, download/install, reboot. Ok, two programs down. How many programs do I have installed?!?!?! As for Ubuntu having "hundreds of updates a month"... first of all, this is a bad thing? second of all, that depends on which release you get. Since I use Debian, I'll use that as an example. There's Unstable, Testing, and Stable. On Stable, I get maybe one to five updates a week. On Testing, I get a few more. On Unstable I get many more. That's because of what their name implies. Except for the Stable version, the others are all in a state of constant change until they become stable. It's like giving someone a Beta-test version of software and saying it's bad because it's always being updated. Duh!
"Linux is easy to learn...": Installing it is easier than installing a store-bought version of Windows (not the "restore disk") when you consider that actually getting the hardware drivers that (in many cases) on Linux are automatically installed or easily available in package managers is simple compared to the internet hunt you are facing with Windows. I know that one from experience!
"...help documentation is limited": Tell that to the insane number of 'man' (manual) pages installed on my system. Tell that to the insane number of very helpful forums available. In-program help in Gnome programs (Gnome = Debian's default desktop/GUI) is as helpful as Windows in-program help.
"...you can't learn one version and be sure you know them all": If you truly learn Linux, you will easily be able to navigate them all. If you don't, you probably won't face that situation often anyway.
Ok. I just refuted almost the entire thing. That said, use what works for you. I don't like Windows, I don't use any software that needs Windows, so I don't use Windows. So what? If MacOS works better for you, great! If Windows, then great! If Linux, then great! Don't go trashing what works for many because it doesn't work for you. Also, educate the customer in a fair and true way or let the customer educate themselves about what fits their needs instead of feeding them unfounded lies and preying on their ignorance. That's just WRONG!
My 2 c's...
"Choice and Compatibility": Yeah, people use MS-compatible software because that's what comes with 99% of computers. It's not their "choice" at all. My Debian GNU/Linux system (I will from now on refer to this a "Linux", since that's what's familiar even if incorrect) comes with tons more software than my Vista system did, and it's quick and easy to add more, AND (with the exception of Publisher files) I have always been able to read files made on a Windows machine with MS software. Linux gives you more choice, and great file compatibility.
"Familiarity": Yeah, that works great until someone who's been using an XP box with Office 2003 gets a Win7 box with the new Office. Suddenly the menus are "gone", you have to make many more extra mouse clicks to accomplish the same tasks, and everything is moved around or missing in the "button-formerly-known-as-Start".
"Peace of Mind": Oh yeah. I'll give you a piece of my mind when I have to constantly worry about the next virus, worm, or spyware attack, or have to constantly strain my already overworked budget to renew licences and upgrade to the newest software because "the company" declares it so.
"Cameras, iPod, and MP3 compatibility": Never met a camera I can't access and automatically import images/movies from on Linux. Never had an iPod, so can't speak for that one. Almost any media player I've ever used on Linux can play MP3's.
"Printers and scanners compatibility": I've got a relatively new Canon printer (came out well after Vista was available). Vista used to be able to print to it. Now it can't. I can't explain why. Linux picked up on it right away without ever having to install a driver disk, and it's never had any problems. All of the scanners I own (both old and new) work great.
"Windows Live Essentials": What's that? From what I can see from the examples list the slides presents in parenthesis, I don't see anything that Linux software can't do.
"Games your customers want": I'm not a gamer, so doesn't apply to me. That said, again, people "want" it because it's what they've seen on Windows. I've actually seen some great looking games on Linux. If Linux was the dominant OS, I'm sure the games they "want" would be the ones they've seen on Linux. As for the WINE issue, I don't see what the problem is. You open your package manager (I use Synaptic), select Wine, hit apply, and it's instantly installed. From then on, to run a Windows program (if it's compatible with Wine), you simply run the installer just as you would from a Windows box, and it runs almost as if it were a native program. Yeah, for more compatibility you could tweak Wine or buy Cedega, or you could run Windows in a Virtual Machine or dual-boot. I just don't see the issue.
"Authorized Support": I've never used phone support, but every time my friends have, they've generally ended up more frustrated than before, because phone support has to go through idiotic "scripts-for-dummys" before you ever get to anything mildly productive (if you do at all). Most of them end up turning to friends or forums for help, which is exactly what you do on Linux. Plus, as others have said, there are "Authorized Support" venues for Linux as well, if you're willing to pay for it like you do on Windows.
"Video chat on all major IM networks": Can someone please tell me what video chat IM networks they're talking about? I can video chat with anyone I know from my Linux box.
"Word Click": I can't find any... Am I doing something wrong? All of the words I see only apply to why Linux is better than Windows! 😉
"Nothing is as complete as Windows 7": Most of the listed programs have Linux alternatives. Granted, Quicken is better than the Linux alternatives so far, and I've never used Zune, so can't speak to that one. But come on: Office 2007 -> OpenOffice. Photoshop -> GIMP/GIMPshop. iTunes -> Songbird, Rhythmbox, many others.
"Easy to Learn": Anyone who knows Windows can easily use the more recent distributions of Linux. And once they get to know Linux, it's a much more versatile, customizable experience! I can make my Linux system look and work like Windows, MacOS, or anything else. I can't make a Windows box look and work like anything but Windows. Yuck!
"Regular updates" and "Free downloads": Ok, they're comparing that to Linux? Linux can be as up-to-date as you choose, and updated as often as you want. And tell me what percentage of available software on Windows is a "free download" compared to Linux?
"Linux updates and upgrades are easy (marked as a myth)": Yes, they are incredibly easy. Let's compare. What I do on Linux: open Synaptic, click "Mark All Updates", then click "Apply". Done. All software throughout the system is up-to-date. On Windows: Go to a web site, download an updated installer, run it, reboot. Ok, one program down. Open a program, click "find updates" or similar, download/install, reboot. Ok, two programs down. How many programs do I have installed?!?!?! As for Ubuntu having "hundreds of updates a month"... first of all, this is a bad thing? second of all, that depends on which release you get. Since I use Debian, I'll use that as an example. There's Unstable, Testing, and Stable. On Stable, I get maybe one to five updates a week. On Testing, I get a few more. On Unstable I get many more. That's because of what their name implies. Except for the Stable version, the others are all in a state of constant change until they become stable. It's like giving someone a Beta-test version of software and saying it's bad because it's always being updated. Duh!
"Linux is easy to learn...": Installing it is easier than installing a store-bought version of Windows (not the "restore disk") when you consider that actually getting the hardware drivers that (in many cases) on Linux are automatically installed or easily available in package managers is simple compared to the internet hunt you are facing with Windows. I know that one from experience!
"...help documentation is limited": Tell that to the insane number of 'man' (manual) pages installed on my system. Tell that to the insane number of very helpful forums available. In-program help in Gnome programs (Gnome = Debian's default desktop/GUI) is as helpful as Windows in-program help.
"...you can't learn one version and be sure you know them all": If you truly learn Linux, you will easily be able to navigate them all. If you don't, you probably won't face that situation often anyway.
Ok. I just refuted almost the entire thing. That said, use what works for you. I don't like Windows, I don't use any software that needs Windows, so I don't use Windows. So what? If MacOS works better for you, great! If Windows, then great! If Linux, then great! Don't go trashing what works for many because it doesn't work for you. Also, educate the customer in a fair and true way or let the customer educate themselves about what fits their needs instead of feeding them unfounded lies and preying on their ignorance. That's just WRONG!
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The very fact that Microsoft even mentions the word "Linux" in its marketing material is evidence enough that Microsoft is scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaared shitless. Why would Goliath need to tell people he's stronger than David?
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[citation][nom]V8VENOM[/nom]Windows 7, however, will not install Microsoft's own Visual Studio 2008 development platform "setup.exe has encountered a problem ..." -- a recent call to Microsoft reps and they suggested that I wait for Visual Studio 2010 which will be designed to run on Windows 7. You guessed it, a security/permissions problem is preventing the VS 2008 install. As a work-around, install Vista, install VS 2008, then run Windows 7 upgrade.[/citation]
I had a problem installing VS 2008 but after redownloading it from another source it installed on Win 7 RTM fine. It works fine too. Granted I'm not a developer by profession so someone who uses all the features may find bugs that I obviously wouldn't.
[citation][nom]V8VENOM[/nom]But I agree 100% it's very clear that Tom's Hardware is officially now a advertising vehicle for Microsoft. Maybe Tom's was bundle in that $3Billion marketing company purchase them made a year or so ago -- I've never seen so many BIAS articles written against Apple and for Microsoft Windows 7.[/citation]
You may be a developer but you're clearly not a journalist and you just jump on every bandwagon that passes by.
I had a problem installing VS 2008 but after redownloading it from another source it installed on Win 7 RTM fine. It works fine too. Granted I'm not a developer by profession so someone who uses all the features may find bugs that I obviously wouldn't.
[citation][nom]V8VENOM[/nom]But I agree 100% it's very clear that Tom's Hardware is officially now a advertising vehicle for Microsoft. Maybe Tom's was bundle in that $3Billion marketing company purchase them made a year or so ago -- I've never seen so many BIAS articles written against Apple and for Microsoft Windows 7.[/citation]
You may be a developer but you're clearly not a journalist and you just jump on every bandwagon that passes by.
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