News Microsoft's draconian Windows 11 restrictions will send an estimated 240 million PCs to the landfill when Windows 10 hits end of life in 2025

[drea.drechsler]

is no more anti-virus updates.............then it's back to free Avast for me.............i only moved to Win10 in 2021 when i got a new pc..........

Sounds like Avast, Malwarebytes, et.al., has a 240 million+ market to address. That's a lot of money they and many other developers could make and not be bothered by Microsoft intruding on it with updates introducing bugs features that kill their products.

 

[Deleted member 2962262]

So the value of Avast free, or MalwareBytes or any of the many other anti-V programs are something to consider for my Win10-only, but still very capable, computer I want to keep running.

Novel malware poses a higher level of risk to your system when the underlying system vulnerabilities aren't being patched.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Novel malware poses a higher level of risk to your system when the underlying system vulnerabilities aren't being patched.

And in fact, sometimes the problem CAN'T be addressed via antivirus or malware detection utilities and has to be patched at the BIOS or OS level. Often in fact for the more serious problems, but then again, a lot of those also require physical access to the machine. Not always to be sure, but a lot more often than with common or even uncommon infections.

 

[drea.drechsler]

Novel malware poses a higher level of risk to your system when the underlying system vulnerabilities aren't being patched.

Especially imaginary novel malware.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Especially imaginary novel malware.

LOL

 

[Deleted member 2962262]

I don't think so since Win10/11 operate completely differently from XP and even Win7 which makes it an inherently far more secure platform.

The basics of a buffer overflow attack written in the 1970s are the same today.

 

[Deleted member 2962262]

Especially imaginary novel malware.

If you like the Matrix, here's an analogy:
Think of malware as a character that has one of those special keys, giving access to the doors to the secret passages. (Meaning: the code can exploit a vulnerability to drive program execution in an unanticipated direction, potentially anywhere it likes.)
Your anti-virus software looks for a (usually incomplete) subset of the keys that open those doors; it doesn't remove the door, that's what the patch does.
But if novel malware uses a modified key (that can still open the door but is poorly detected by anti-virus software), you, the system user, are toast.
(Of course, patches that remove some doors don't always remove all of them, shhh).

 

[castl3bravo]

The systems we're talking about here are still perfectly capable, many are still more powerful than low-end modern computers whether those powered by AMD or Intel.

Could this be an opening that benefits Linux? Not for corporate users of course but for home users looking for cheap computers since all they'd need is a better GPU for the entry-to-mid-level gaming most people are interested in.

I would certainly love it to be the case. Microsoft creating the seeds of it's own demise.

Doubt Microsoft's demise as corporate use will continue to depend on Microsoft.

Still Linux will be a great solution for Laptop/PCs stuck in Windows 10.

 

[castl3bravo]

That's what I'm wondering, mainly because of all the hyping up how dangerous it is to continue with it being unsupported. But I've not heard anything specific about this.

Both A/V sigs and OS updates are necessary to be completely safe if you're going to use an internet browser and/or check email. If there's no internet use then the attack surface is significantly reduced.

 

[Tac 25]

Doubt Microsoft's demise as corporate use will continue to depend on Microsoft.

Still Linux will be a great solution for Laptop/PCs stuck in Windows 10.

not possible to switch to Linux, because probably all of the games on my pc's would stop functioning. From old classic Xbox games, to the latest playstation 4 and playstation 5 games, as well as all the gacha games I play require Windows to be able to start.

 

[mac_angel]

You are either not very knowledgeable, or you have never owned a phone. Or known anybody who owned a phone, which would mean you live in a cave in Nepal somewhere. Since there are FAR more people with Android and Apple phones than there are people with Windows based PC hardware.

fascinating. Possibly true, but fascinating way of putting it.

 

[USAFRet]

fascinating. Possibly true, but fascinating way of putting it.

For a typical phone user, the phone, and Google/Apple, and your mobile provider, and all your 'app' developers....know FAR more about you than your Windows install and Microsoft.

 

[Darkbreeze]

fascinating. Possibly true, but fascinating way of putting it.

Honestly though, I can't say for sure that there is NOT somebody living in a cave somewhere in Nepal, that also has a phone. In which case, I'm not sure where to go with it from there. LOL. JK.

 

[lordmogul]

I still have a working Ivy Bridge / Z77 and a working Harpertown (Wolfdale)/ P35 system in pretty much daily use here.
11 and 14 years old respectively. And both are still capable for typical use cases.
Not for modern AAA highend gaming, but less demanding games and multimedia stuff still runs perfectly fine on them.
And they will still be functional after 2025.

In fact, I have a ca 2001 retro setup here that is also functional, even if not for modern tasks.
For "normal" use we have almost reached a kind of plateau where hardware is "good enough", and most of that 2007-2018 hardware that they lock out sits above that threshold.

 

[logainofhades]

I still have a working Ivy Bridge / Z77 and a working Harpertown (Wolfdale)/ P35 system in pretty much daily use here.
11 and 14 years old respectively. And both are still capable for typical use cases.
Not for modern AAA highend gaming, but less demanding games and multimedia stuff still runs perfectly fine on them.
And they will still be functional after 2025.

In fact, I have a ca 2001 retro setup here that is also functional, even if not for modern tasks.
For "normal" use we have almost reached a kind of plateau where hardware is "good enough", and most of that 2007-2018 hardware that they lock out sits above that threshold.

Capable but I wouldn't say they would be enjoyable to use.

 

[Tac 25]

In fact, I have a ca 2001 retro setup here that is also functional, even if not for modern tasks.
For "normal" use we have almost reached a kind of plateau where hardware is "good enough", and most of that 2007-2018 hardware that they lock out sits above that threshold.

may I ask. What OS are you using in your retro setup?
I've been planning to build, or buy a retro XP machine for sometime now, but have not really acquired the extra budget to complete the project. After New Year, when some bills are settled. I'll be hunting again for a refurbished XP pc online.
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to keep on topic with the thread. A lot of people I know still use Win 10. I do wonder how everyone would react when W10 is no longer supported.

 

[lordmogul]

Capable but I wouldn't say they would be enjoyable to use.

Oh, they are very enjoyable to use. No issues with performance whatsoever. Just not for 2023 AAA gaming, but that isn't what most people use their computers for anyway.

may I ask. What OS are you using in your retro setup?

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to keep on topic with the thread. A lot of people I know still use Win 10. I do wonder how everyone would react when W10 is no longer supported.

98 SE & XP dual boot.

But yeah, b2t
MY point was that there is hardware that will be "old" when support ends, there is hardware that is old now, but that isn't obsolete in terms of performance.

 

[Tac 25]

Oh, they are very enjoyable to use. No issues with performance whatsoever. Just not for 2023 AAA gaming, but that isn't what most people use their computers for anyway.

98 SE & XP dual boot.

But yeah, b2t
MY point was that there is hardware that will be "old" when support ends, there is hardware that is old now, but that isn't obsolete in terms of performance.

ok, fair enough I guess.

anyway, the people I play with and chat with often..... no one really brings up these Windows 10 end of life issues. Not a single mention of this in the gaming discords I stay in either. Personally, I have a "cross the bridge when one comes to it" attitude towards this.