[SOLVED] Mini ITX PC

[generalmolotof]

Hi all,
After about a year of planning (or better say luck of a budget) I am finally ready to build a system around my beloved RVZ01. The system components are decided and the funds exist, but i want to be sure before i pull the trigger. So here it is:
CPU: Intel Core i3-8100
GPU: Palit GeForce GTX1060 3GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x4GB DDR4-2400MHz C16
MOBO: Asrock B360M-ITX/ac
PSU: Corsair SF Series SF450 450W
OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home x64
Storage: Samsung SSD 960 EVO M.2 250GB
Case: Silverstone Raven RVZ01B
Cooling: BeQuiet! Shadow Rock LP
Primary goal for this build is quietness. This is the only reason why i am buying an aftermarket CPU cooler. As for the case fans i won't be installing any for a start to see how it goes, if there is a need for them i have three corsair fans already waiting. The budget is strict at 1000 euros and right now i am sitting at 1032 euros. I will try to spot any bargains if i can but i am content with the price. Concerning the CPU, i checked the competition at a similar price point (100 euros) and i think this one has the best value for its money. I am afraid the GPU will be the most noisy part (that's why I avoided single fan GPUs) but i can't do anything about it (going passive or buying an aftermarket cooler is not an option). If there are any less noisy alternatives, put them forward. I could go on analyzing the whole build but there is no point, its there for you to see. What i want is to tell me if there is something I am missing (better value parts, less expensive alternatives, something you think is wrong etc).
Thank you in advance!

 

[ScrewySqrl]

consider a GTX 570 overthe 1060.

not quite as inflated in price

 

[punkncat]

I looked long and hard at that i3 8100 for an office build. On paper, that thing should be a beastly proc. In my own hunt I was a bit torn between going with it and that "new" chipset, or defaulting back to a 7 gen i5 and it's cheaper mobo options.
I would suggest stepping up to a slightly larger PSU, if only so that you don't have to replace it and a card later if you upgrade graphics. See below.

As to your card, and the above comment by the other poster. I would certainly NOT recommend stepping that far back in card architecture. If you don't have a specific NEED of that card right this moment and can either rely on the onboard graphics, which are supposed to be pretty good on this gen, or have an older card you can get by on....
Cards are "poised" to go down to or very close to MSRP. Watching prices indicates it's already happening, basically just waiting for the manufacturers to catch up on supply again. Even buying direct from EVGA (or the like) has been cheaper than most retail outlets.

As to Mini ITX. I did several builds on this form in a row. I used one for my "gaming" box, and another couple as HTPC. I found that in the instance of my server/htpc the form factor was awesome. One of the cases I got (a Lian Li) is a gorgeous bit of furniture and looks really good by the tv in the living room.
The issues that I ran into using it as my main work/gaming computer just kept building. As a start I was having significant heat issues, even on an (4th gen) i3 and particularly after I upgraded to the i5. I was very limited to a "close to spec" PSU. IE, I originally built on a 600W and it was much too hot. I downgraded to a 430W and it got better. I was using a GTX 960 in this case and had to play with both fan types, and profiles, as well as to work with the wiring inside to maximize air flow. I finally got it running "cool enough" but it turned into an issue where it would heat my leg at the desk.

I ended up moving into a Micro ATX case and the room alone cooled my rig significantly.

I would say that if you like the case and have a specific need for that form, go with it. Just know that you are paying a premium for the form factor and limiting your expansion options in the future. That one PCI slot will be holding your GPU, and two sticks of RAM only.....

 

[generalmolotof]

consider a GTX 570 overthe 1060.

not quite as inflated in price

I don't think that would be wise... More power consumption, worse card, it will be second hand. I have a R9 280X right now, i could keep that, but i won't. Thanks for the input anyways.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

eh. the 570 is between the 1060 and 1070 in capability, and runs about $70 cheaper than a 1060 6gb. ($239 vs $309)

 

[generalmolotof]

I looked long and hard at that i3 8100 for an office build. On paper, that thing should be a beastly proc. In my own hunt I was a bit torn between going with it and that "new" chipset, or defaulting back to a 7 gen i5 and it's cheaper mobo options.
I would suggest stepping up to a slightly larger PSU, if only so that you don't have to replace it and a card later if you upgrade graphics. See below.

As to your card, and the above comment by the other poster. I would certainly NOT recommend stepping that far back in card architecture. If you don't have a specific NEED of that card right this moment and can either rely on the onboard graphics, which are supposed to be pretty good on this gen, or have an older card you can get by on....
Cards are "poised" to go down to or very close to MSRP. Watching prices indicates it's already happening, basically just waiting for the manufacturers to catch up on supply again. Even buying direct from EVGA (or the like) has been cheaper than most retail outlets.

As to Mini ITX. I did several builds on this form in a row. I used one for my "gaming" box, and another couple as HTPC. I found that in the instance of my server/htpc the form factor was awesome. One of the cases I got (a Lian Li) is a gorgeous bit of furniture and looks really good by the tv in the living room.
The issues that I ran into using it as my main work/gaming computer just kept building. As a start I was having significant heat issues, even on an (4th gen) i3 and particularly after I upgraded to the i5. I was very limited to a "close to spec" PSU. IE, I originally built on a 600W and it was much too hot. I downgraded to a 430W and it got better. I was using a GTX 960 in this case and had to play with both fan types, and profiles, as well as to work with the wiring inside to maximize air flow. I finally got it running "cool enough" but it turned into an issue where it would heat my leg at the desk.

I ended up moving into a Micro ATX case and the room alone cooled my rig significantly.

I would say that if you like the case and have a specific need for that form, go with it. Just know that you are paying a premium for the form factor and limiting your expansion options in the future. That one PCI slot will be holding your GPU, and two sticks of RAM only.....

Firstly, thanks for the great answer!
Lets take it one by one. The closest i5 in price i can get is the 7400 which is a good 50 euros more expensive than the 8100, and they exhibit the same performance (with the i3 being 5-10 fps ahead). I it is not worth it. About the PSU, right know i am sitting at about 320W power consumption, so i will need to go really extreme (GTX 1080 and above) to face problems (which is something i will unlikely do due to budget). Also the 450W PSU will run cooler and is cheaper than a 600W alternative, so it is a win-win. Yeah, about the card, it is the single most overpriced part in the build (along with the RAM). Right now i have an aging R9 280X, it is holding well but needs the replacement. I will consider staying with that one until prices finally drop. About the case, well it is the whole point of the build, i won't change it and i have accepted the consequences. Thank you again!

 

[generalmolotof]

eh. the 570 is between the 1060 and 1070 in capability, and runs about $70 cheaper than a 1060 6gb. ($239 vs $309)

Well i have neither of the cards, but i think that the performance of the 570 is closer to that of the 1050, do you have any clues to support what you are saying? I will consider it then. Thanks

 

[ScrewySqrl]

 

[generalmolotof]

My friend, i don't see the GTX 570 anywhere at those charts. On the contrary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eLRvAE3lNk
I could not find a direct comparison of the 570 with the 1060 but the difference with 1070 is huge,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUpRbW6O6Y
and here is the performance of the 1060 at the same game, on the same settings.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

its right there just above or below the GTX 1060