Monitor stand necessary?

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I have an aluminum coolermaster desktop case, I'd like to set a 19" CRT
monitor directly on top of the case, without the monitor stand (to fit into
a hutch computer desk).

The way the case is configured, both hard drives rest above the side-by-side
5-1/4 bays, which hold CD and CDRW drives. This places the hard drives
directly under the very-thin case cover.

I'm not concerned about the case taking the weight, but I AM concerned with
potential data corruption caused by the drives being so close to the monitor
tube.

Is my concern warranted? If so, could I put a shield between the two (thin
plywood perhaps, or possibly a sheet of metal sandwiched between two
sheets)?

TIA,

Mark
 
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You can safely do it. You do NOT have to worry about any type of data
corruption from the proximity. I've been running my system in that
configuration for 8 years without any problems.

--
DaveW



"Tuner" <mbdraa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I have an aluminum coolermaster desktop case, I'd like to set a 19" CRT
> monitor directly on top of the case, without the monitor stand (to fit
into
> a hutch computer desk).
>
> The way the case is configured, both hard drives rest above the
side-by-side
> 5-1/4 bays, which hold CD and CDRW drives. This places the hard drives
> directly under the very-thin case cover.
>
> I'm not concerned about the case taking the weight, but I AM concerned
with
> potential data corruption caused by the drives being so close to the
monitor
> tube.
>
> Is my concern warranted? If so, could I put a shield between the two
(thin
> plywood perhaps, or possibly a sheet of metal sandwiched between two
> sheets)?
>
> TIA,
>
> Mark
>
>
 
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:45:37 GMT, "Tuner" <mbdraa@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I have an aluminum coolermaster desktop case, I'd like to set a 19" CRT
>monitor directly on top of the case, without the monitor stand (to fit into
>a hutch computer desk).
>
>The way the case is configured, both hard drives rest above the side-by-side
>5-1/4 bays, which hold CD and CDRW drives. This places the hard drives
>directly under the very-thin case cover.
>
>I'm not concerned about the case taking the weight, but I AM concerned with
>potential data corruption caused by the drives being so close to the monitor
>tube.
>
>Is my concern warranted? If so, could I put a shield between the two (thin
>plywood perhaps, or possibly a sheet of metal sandwiched between two
>sheets)?
>
>TIA,
>
>Mark

A shield or support is not necessary if the case is sturdy
enough, but you might want to take a few temp measurements to be
sure the hutch isn't interfering with airflow/cooling.
 
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:45:37 GMT, "Tuner" <mbdraa@comcast.net> wrote:

>I have an aluminum coolermaster desktop case, I'd like to set a 19" CRT
>monitor directly on top of the case, without the monitor stand (to fit into
>a hutch computer desk).

no problem; some monitors have already rubber stands mounted under, if
not, mount them (glue) them yourself under (you will need 3 of
them)... I have so on my 17" one ...
--
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Thanks, all!!

Tuner

"Spajky" <Spajky##@volja.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:45:37 GMT, "Tuner" <mbdraa@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >I have an aluminum coolermaster desktop case, I'd like to set a 19" CRT
> >monitor directly on top of the case, without the monitor stand (to fit
into
> >a hutch computer desk).
>
> no problem; some monitors have already rubber stands mounted under, if
> not, mount them (glue) them yourself under (you will need 3 of
> them)... I have so on my 17" one ...
> --
> Regards, SPAJKY ®
> & visit my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com
> "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!"
> E-mail AntiSpam: remove ##
 
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"Tuner" <mbdraa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> >I have an aluminum coolermaster desktop case, I'd like to set a 19" CRT
>> >monitor directly on top of the case, without the monitor stand (to fit
> into
>> >a hutch computer desk).
>>

Another issue that you may not have considered, is that you should ensure
that the top of the monitor is level with your eyes, when you are sitting
comfortably (at the right level for keyboard and mouse etc.). This not only
helps to prevent neck problems, but also helps to prevent 'dry eye
syndrome'.

I usually find that a monitor directly on the desktop itself, with the cpu
box under the desk or even alongside, is the best option.

John.
 
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:11:35 GMT, "Bioboffin"
<Reply_to_Group_please@zzz.invalid> wrote:

>
>"Tuner" <mbdraa@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:TQdVc.49255$TI1.37975@attbi_s52...
>>>
>>> >I have an aluminum coolermaster desktop case, I'd like to set a 19" CRT
>>> >monitor directly on top of the case, without the monitor stand (to fit
>> into
>>> >a hutch computer desk).
>>>
>
>Another issue that you may not have considered, is that you should ensure
>that the top of the monitor is level with your eyes, when you are sitting
>comfortably (at the right level for keyboard and mouse etc.). This not only
>helps to prevent neck problems, but also helps to prevent 'dry eye
>syndrome'.
>
>I usually find that a monitor directly on the desktop itself, with the cpu
>box under the desk or even alongside, is the best option.
>
>John.
>

How is it supposed to help prevent neck problems to have the
center of the monitor below eye level? Wouldn't have it AT
eye-level do that?
 
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:11:35 GMT, "Bioboffin"
> <Reply_to_Group_please@zzz.invalid> wrote:

>>>>
>>
>>Another issue that you may not have considered, is that you should ensure
>>that the top of the monitor is level with your eyes, when you are sitting
>>comfortably (at the right level for keyboard and mouse etc.). This not
>>only
>>helps to prevent neck problems, but also helps to prevent 'dry eye
>>syndrome'.
>>
>>I usually find that a monitor directly on the desktop itself, with the cpu
>>box under the desk or even alongside, is the best option.
>>
>>John.
>>
>
> How is it supposed to help prevent neck problems to have the
> center of the monitor below eye level? Wouldn't have it AT
> eye-level do that?
>

Here is the reference:
"Lower monitor placement can increase the acceptable options that
users have for neck movement (Ankrum and Nemeth 1995). Eye-level monitors
allow the head and neck to assume only one posture that is both visually and
posturally comfortable.
It is uncomfortable to maintain the same posture for an extended
period of time. When users tire of the head-erect posture, the acceptable
alternative postures with an eye-level monitor are limited. Flexing the neck
is one alternative, but that results in the user looking out of the top of
their eyes. While bending the neck downward may be physically comfortable
(as long as you are not forced to hold it in a fixed position), looking out
of the top of your eyes at close objects is extremely uncomfortable. People
will just not do it for any length of time.
Neck extension and forward head posture, while acceptable for the
visual system, have been associated with both discomfort and disease (Kumar
1994; McKinnon 1994). With a low monitor position you can hold your head
erect and look downward. When that posture becomes tiring, as eventually it
will, a low monitor will allow you to alternate among a wide range of flexed
neck postures that allow good visual performance and will not increase
postural discomfort (as long as you don't hold any particular posture for a
long time)."


For a full explanation look here: http://www.office-ergo.com/setting.htm

Incidentally, one of the best bits of advice that I have found is to sit in
front of your monitor with your eyes closed, and relax. When your head
position is completely comfortable, open your eyes, and note where on your
monitor your gaze settles. It should be in the middle of your screen.

Take care,

John.
 
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:11:35 GMT, "Bioboffin"
> <Reply_to_Group_please@zzz.invalid> wrote:

>
> How is it supposed to help prevent neck problems to have the
> center of the monitor below eye level? Wouldn't have it AT
> eye-level do that?
>

Further, as your headers suggest you may be American, here is the official
advice:

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_monitors.html#Angle

For British readers, here is our equivalent:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg36.pdf

John.
 
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:54:36 GMT, "Bioboffin"
<Reply_to_Group_please@zzz.invalid> wrote:


>Here is the reference:
> "Lower monitor placement can increase the acceptable options that
>users have for neck movement (Ankrum and Nemeth 1995). Eye-level monitors
>allow the head and neck to assume only one posture that is both visually and
>posturally comfortable.
> It is uncomfortable to maintain the same posture for an extended
>period of time. When users tire of the head-erect posture, the acceptable
>alternative postures with an eye-level monitor are limited. Flexing the neck
>is one alternative, but that results in the user looking out of the top of
>their eyes. While bending the neck downward may be physically comfortable
>(as long as you are not forced to hold it in a fixed position), looking out
>of the top of your eyes at close objects is extremely uncomfortable. People
>will just not do it for any length of time.

I suppose this is the part I disagree with, that i seldom see
people taking odd head postures like a bird while looking at
their monitor. I don't feel anyone will be tilting their head
enough up or down that they'd be looking upwards so much that
it's uncomfortable.


> Neck extension and forward head posture, while acceptable for the
>visual system, have been associated with both discomfort and disease (Kumar
>1994; McKinnon 1994). With a low monitor position you can hold your head
>erect and look downward. When that posture becomes tiring, as eventually it
>will, a low monitor will allow you to alternate among a wide range of flexed
>neck postures that allow good visual performance and will not increase
>postural discomfort (as long as you don't hold any particular posture for a
>long time)."

Still sounds like BS to me, with monitor at eye level the head
can be tilted a little up or a little down, less deviation from a
normal angle... at least that's what _I_ find most comfortable,
maybe not everyone does?

Only downside is that every time i have to use a monitor sitting
on a desk I am disappointed to be having to look down upon it.
At least with the old curved CRT tubes that did reduce glare but
today that glare is easy enough to avoid.

>
>For a full explanation look here: http://www.office-ergo.com/setting.htm
>
>Incidentally, one of the best bits of advice that I have found is to sit in
>front of your monitor with your eyes closed, and relax. When your head
>position is completely comfortable, open your eyes, and note where on your
>monitor your gaze settles. It should be in the middle of your screen.

Wouldn't that have a lot to do with posture though? I mean, that
neck position will put your relaxed gaze in quite a different
place depending on chair, sitting habits, type of work being
done, etc.
 
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"Tuner" <mbdraa@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<56QUc.11664$Fg5.9427@attbi_s53>...

>I have an aluminum coolermaster desktop case, I'd like to set
>a 19" CRT monitor directly on top of the case, without the
>monitor stand (to fit into a hutch computer desk).

>I AM concerned with potential data corruption caused by
>the drives being so close to the monitor tube.
>
>Is my concern warranted? If so, could I put a shield
>between the two (thin plywood perhaps, or possibly a sheet
>of metal sandwiched between two sheets)?

The picture tube doesn't emit nearly as much interference as the
flyback transformer near the back of the monitor does, but even it
doesn't cause problems, as I found when I once tested hard drives only
a few inches from it.
Also the metal computer case provides additional shielding. By the
way, the metal shield you described may work better if it's grounded
to the computer case through a wire.

Some monitor cases require the stand to be attached because the bottom
of the case has a convex dome molded into it, preventing it from
sitting upright by itself. Some Panasonics/Viewsonics were made that
way, as I learned when Panasonic shipped a warranty replacement
"refurbished" monitor with a cracked stand, and they cracked it
_before_ placing it into the shipping carton. They also left some
internal ground wires dangling, and on another refurb they goughed the
front bezel and power switch (could not turn off power), left a
capacitor or diode unsoldered, and forgot to install the shield for
the power supply transformer. Panasonic quality.
 
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:54:36 GMT, "Bioboffin"
> <Reply_to_Group_please@zzz.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> It is uncomfortable to maintain the same posture for an extended
>>period of time. When users tire of the head-erect posture, the acceptable
>>alternative postures with an eye-level monitor are limited. Flexing the
>>neck
>>is one alternative, but that results in the user looking out of the top of
>>their eyes. While bending the neck downward may be physically comfortable
>>(as long as you are not forced to hold it in a fixed position), looking
>>out
>>of the top of your eyes at close objects is extremely uncomfortable.
>>People
>>will just not do it for any length of time.
>
> I suppose this is the part I disagree with, that i seldom see
> people taking odd head postures like a bird while looking at
> their monitor. I don't feel anyone will be tilting their head
> enough up or down that they'd be looking upwards so much that
> it's uncomfortable.

At the end of the day, it is your neck!
My only comment is that after 23 years of using computers, I am more aware
of neck stiffness than when I was younger. Like many of these Health and
Safety issues, it is easy to laugh at the time, but you may have to pay for
it later!

>
>> Neck extension and forward head posture, while acceptable for the
>>visual system, have been associated with both discomfort and disease
>>(Kumar
>>1994; McKinnon 1994). With a low monitor position you can hold your head
>>erect and look downward. When that posture becomes tiring, as eventually
>>it
>>will, a low monitor will allow you to alternate among a wide range of
>>flexed
>>neck postures that allow good visual performance and will not increase
>>postural discomfort (as long as you don't hold any particular posture for
>>a
>>long time)."
>
> Still sounds like BS to me, with monitor at eye level the head
> can be tilted a little up or a little down, less deviation from a
> normal angle... at least that's what _I_ find most comfortable,
> maybe not everyone does?
>
> Only downside is that every time i have to use a monitor sitting
> on a desk I am disappointed to be having to look down upon it.
> At least with the old curved CRT tubes that did reduce glare but
> today that glare is easy enough to avoid.
>
>>
>>For a full explanation look here: http://www.office-ergo.com/setting.htm
>>
>>Incidentally, one of the best bits of advice that I have found is to sit
>>in
>>front of your monitor with your eyes closed, and relax. When your head
>>position is completely comfortable, open your eyes, and note where on your
>>monitor your gaze settles. It should be in the middle of your screen.
>
> Wouldn't that have a lot to do with posture though? I mean, that
> neck position will put your relaxed gaze in quite a different
> place depending on chair, sitting habits, type of work being
> done, etc.
>
My posture when working at the keyboard is dictated by the position of the
keyboard. I arrange the chair, mouse, monitor and everything else to fit in
with that.

In any case I have no wish to pontificate on the subject. My original post
was really intended to highlight the fact that the position of the monitor
should be determined by what is most comfortable for the user, rather than
by whether the position of the monitor might cause problems for the hard
drive.

Take care,

John.
 

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