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jgillispie
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[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]"ushered in a new generation for Microsoft as its GUI moved in to bump out MS-DOS and all of its competitors."Um, what? Microsoft was dead last to the GUI game. Apple had it before MS. UNIX had it before MS. Heck, even OpenVMS had it before MS did. Seems MS comes in dead last for a lot of things these days. Web Browsers, Cell Phones, Tablets, etc. etc.[/citation]
You have failure at reading comprehension and facts.
You have failure at reading comprehension and facts.
dark_lord69
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It sucked less than what? DOS actually worked.. like 99.99% of the time.
Oh.. Perhaps it sucks less than Apple did at the time?
Oh.. Perhaps it sucks less than Apple did at the time?
JonathanDeane
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[citation][nom]animehair[/nom]being an IT professional i hardly think restore points are useless...also Win 7 is not bloated...it was actually designed to be extremely energy efficient, and it makes itself lean by disabling devices not in use. Its successful at this.AND distributions aside...LINUX is by far not bloated...maybe the mainstream versions are more memory intensive (ie. Suse)...but Linux is extremely lean...(GENTOO ROCKS!)....sorry but there was just so much wrong with your statement.[/citation]
He was probably talking about the #1 Linux distro used (by a large margin) Ubuntu and yeah the main version of it is bloated, in the same breath if you want all the goodies you have to pay the price.
Myself I like the new Puppy Linux 5.10 it is based off Ubuntu and runs comfortably in a system with 256MB's of RAM. It's my current recommendation for older hardware and ease of use.
On the topic here, Windows 95 was not bad for its time, as long as you knew what you where doing and did a lot of research on your hardware and how it should be configured you could go a long time before seeing a BSOD, or having to reboot due to memory leaks. I do not miss it Windows 95 though and would not trade my new machine for something from back then.... Although I do kind of miss my Voodoo 5500... damn thing blew up like 3 days after the company went under and only like 2 months after I bought it....
He was probably talking about the #1 Linux distro used (by a large margin) Ubuntu and yeah the main version of it is bloated, in the same breath if you want all the goodies you have to pay the price.
Myself I like the new Puppy Linux 5.10 it is based off Ubuntu and runs comfortably in a system with 256MB's of RAM. It's my current recommendation for older hardware and ease of use.
On the topic here, Windows 95 was not bad for its time, as long as you knew what you where doing and did a lot of research on your hardware and how it should be configured you could go a long time before seeing a BSOD, or having to reboot due to memory leaks. I do not miss it Windows 95 though and would not trade my new machine for something from back then.... Although I do kind of miss my Voodoo 5500... damn thing blew up like 3 days after the company went under and only like 2 months after I bought it....
megamanx00
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[citation][nom]pbrigido[/nom]Despite current day's incredible advances in gaming...I miss playing old games like Star Wars - Tie Fighter, Hover, Rise of the Triad, WarCraft - Orcs and Humans....not that I would ever consider trading in my current system for one of the Win95 era...[/citation]
Yeah...Tie Fighter was a remarkable game. I wonder why Lucas Arts don't do a new version of it.
Yeah...Tie Fighter was a remarkable game. I wonder why Lucas Arts don't do a new version of it.
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[citation][nom]jellico[/nom]Now, you see, that's what I like about the Windows developers and even Microsoft management... they don't take themselves too seriously.Contrast that with Apple, and his Holiness, Steve Jobs. This guy really does believe he is god's gift to the tech industry.[/citation]
The problem with Windows ME was not actually Windows ME, it was 3rd party Drivers that caused all the problems. at the time Microsoft was working on windows 2k and to make a they required that 2k use the new WDM style driver. they also required the ME run both .VXD and .WDM drivers. when you combined both of them you had problems. the biggest problems were lazy printer and scanner drivers the refused to move to the new WDM driver.
crapware was has been a problem for a long time. example (wild tangent, Hp photo suite, etc.) I wish that companies like HP, Dell, and other would realize that thier is no value to installing this stuff all it does is waste system resources. in fact Dell tech support had an internal process they called the "90% fix" that resolved 90% of the problems people had with Windows ME. the basicly went in and got rid of all the crapware by using msconfig. and a few changes to the system.ini file. after that ME ran like a champ... until you tried to print something.
The problem with Windows ME was not actually Windows ME, it was 3rd party Drivers that caused all the problems. at the time Microsoft was working on windows 2k and to make a they required that 2k use the new WDM style driver. they also required the ME run both .VXD and .WDM drivers. when you combined both of them you had problems. the biggest problems were lazy printer and scanner drivers the refused to move to the new WDM driver.
crapware was has been a problem for a long time. example (wild tangent, Hp photo suite, etc.) I wish that companies like HP, Dell, and other would realize that thier is no value to installing this stuff all it does is waste system resources. in fact Dell tech support had an internal process they called the "90% fix" that resolved 90% of the problems people had with Windows ME. the basicly went in and got rid of all the crapware by using msconfig. and a few changes to the system.ini file. after that ME ran like a champ... until you tried to print something.
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I may not have my 386 PC anymore, but I do still have an image of the system on a bootable CD. I can stick the CD in my current i7 quad PC, and boot into DOS5.1 and run Windows 3.1. With notable programs like Norton Commander, DOS Shell, Harvard Graphics, and Word Perfect. It has installed on it such classics as Leisure Suit Larry, King Quest, Wing Commander, Tetras, among others that are still playable. Although now the characters move a whole lot faster then they did on my 386.
I still run PC with Windows 98, 2000, XP (Home & Pro), and Windows 7 (Pro).
No more Vista and never ME.
I still run PC with Windows 98, 2000, XP (Home & Pro), and Windows 7 (Pro).
No more Vista and never ME.
[citation][nom]segio526[/nom]You know, as much as people complain about Vista, I didn't have any issues with it. Ran Vista Ultimate x64 for two years (until August 2009). Is Windows 7 better? Hell yes, but Vista wasn't bad. People just don't like learning curves, but it was that learning curve (in addition to bug fixes and feature enhancements) that made Windows 7 a success. If it went straight from XP to 7, I don't think there would have been as much praise for 7 as there was.On the other hand, Windows ME was awful, freaking awful. I got that pre-installed (I can only imagine how much worse it was to "step it up" from Windows 98) and it was so broken everywhere. I would have to reboot a minimum of three times a day (at least with Vista I could leave it running for weeks without having to reboot).[/citation]
Couldnt agree more.
Couldnt agree more.
people complain about Vista because most hardware company did NOT code Vista drivers properly.
and funny thing is, most of these "problem" came from "cheap/low end" hard ware company. lol
This is why people with Vista has such poor experience. but its not really Microsoft's fault. people wants cheap stuff and keep bitxhin' about it.
and funny thing is, most of these "problem" came from "cheap/low end" hard ware company. lol
This is why people with Vista has such poor experience. but its not really Microsoft's fault. people wants cheap stuff and keep bitxhin' about it.
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[citation][nom]70camaross396[/nom]...crapware was has been a problem for a long time. example (wild tangent, Hp photo suite, etc.) I wish that companies like HP, Dell, and other would realize that thier is no value to installing this stuff all it does is waste system resources...[/citation]
Your whole comment is pretty accurate...I would agree that in those days the extra manufacture software was CRAP...but I really feel that HP has stepped up the quality of their bundled software on recent generation hardware.
Your whole comment is pretty accurate...I would agree that in those days the extra manufacture software was CRAP...but I really feel that HP has stepped up the quality of their bundled software on recent generation hardware.
[citation][nom]dgingeri[/nom]I still have Win95 on a virtual machine so I can run some old video games from that era. It's still just as stable as it always was.[/citation]
Sorry to hear that. That's why I upgraded to Win 98 and later Win 98SE as soon as I could.
Sorry to hear that. That's why I upgraded to Win 98 and later Win 98SE as soon as I could.
[citation][nom]chick0n[/nom]people complain about Vista because most hardware company did NOT code Vista drivers properly. and funny thing is, most of these "problem" came from "cheap/low end" hard ware company. lol This is why people with Vista has such poor experience. but its not really Microsoft's fault. people wants cheap stuff and keep bitxhin' about it.[/citation]
I had Vista since the early days of the BETA and except for the X-Fi debacle it was much better then XP from day 1.
ME did suck compared to 98 SE.
I had Vista since the early days of the BETA and except for the X-Fi debacle it was much better then XP from day 1.
ME did suck compared to 98 SE.
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[citation][nom]segio526[/nom]You know, as much as people complain about Vista, I didn't have any issues with it. Ran Vista Ultimate x64 for two years (until August 2009). Is Windows 7 better? Hell yes, but Vista wasn't bad. People just don't like learning curves, but it was that learning curve (in addition to bug fixes and feature enhancements) that made Windows 7 a success. If it went straight from XP to 7, I don't think there would have been as much praise for 7 as there was.On the other hand, Windows ME was awful, freaking awful. I got that pre-installed (I can only imagine how much worse it was to "step it up" from Windows 98) and it was so broken everywhere. I would have to reboot a minimum of three times a day (at least with Vista I could leave it running for weeks without having to reboot).[/citation]
I also had Vista from day 1 and had little to no problems with it. I just said that for giggles. Actually, it would have been more true to say : At least it's not ME. I did not have much problems with it personnaly, but I spent countless of hours debugging it while I was doing tech support. Mainly with drivers and especially with graphics drivers. While I agree it might be the driver's maker fault, there's just no way an OS should BSOD at every conflict or bad instruction.
I also had Vista from day 1 and had little to no problems with it. I just said that for giggles. Actually, it would have been more true to say : At least it's not ME. I did not have much problems with it personnaly, but I spent countless of hours debugging it while I was doing tech support. Mainly with drivers and especially with graphics drivers. While I agree it might be the driver's maker fault, there's just no way an OS should BSOD at every conflict or bad instruction.
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I earned a lot of money fixing Windows 95 computers. When it arrived it combined new drivers, old hardware, new applications and a generally clueless user base.
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