News MSI BIOS comes with a new 105W TDP option for the Ryzen 5 9600X and Ryzen 7 9700X — user results show 13% multi-core performance improvement

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thisisaname said:
AMD is raising the power and Intel is lower theirs, very interesting 🤔
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Considering that leaks have Intel keeping the 125W TDP, which is based on all cores active at base clock speed, they haven't really reduced power at all. Remember that the 14900k has a max official boost of 253W but a 125W TDP. Now it is possible that Intel's peak power will be lower. On the other hand we know what peak power (PPT) for an AMD chip will be based on TDP. PPT = TDP * 1.35 so a 105W TDP has a 142W PPT and a 65W TDP has an 88W PPT.
 
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I want see the x3d option how will it will fry with the cache. If they want put more energy on these to compete with old ryzen. Will be a kind of trouble to AMD explain to consumers the bad numbers because the trapped heat and lower clocks. The 7800x3d will be the king for long long Price/Performance/Time.
 
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I want see the x3d option how will it will fry with the cache. If they want put more energy on these to compete with old ryzen. Will be a kind of trouble to AMD explain to consumers the bad numbers because the trapped heat and lower clocks. The 7800x3d will be the king for long long Price/Performance/Time.
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That's what I'm wondering about too. I read elsewhere that AMD is working on some tricks with X3D. It was posited that one could be fixing the temp issues with the stacked cache. But that's just one idea on one article I read. But AMD did say they have some fun stuff coming for X3D. Can't wait for CES!
 
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thisisaname said:
AMD is raising the power and Intel is lower theirs, very interesting 🤔
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Making sure 100% of your products can run at 65W while turning a blind eye whether you overclock it to 300W or not

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Saying your CPUs can run at 100W or 200W or whatever the ____ and then seeing it gloriously degrade at the guaranteed settings

There are quality and ethical differences between the two. Both aren't perfect, but you're paying more money for more gurantee so it becomes a legal issue.

Anyway it is MSI and not AMD that is overTDP-ing the CPU the same way overclocking works. TDP has been a speed control lately, did AMD put 65W for money or for real reasons? Nobody knows, but an option to overclock/overTDP is always nice.
 
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Roland Of Gilead said:
So, does this mean they are 65w or 105w parts? How will they be sold in the future? I mean, I figure it's a permanent change, but could be wrong.
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From what I gather from the articles I've read, it won't be permanent. It's just an option in the BIOS. So the CPUs will probably still be listed as 65w since the 105 will only be on MSI boards (so far, but others are supposedly going to do the same eventually).

So that way we all get to decide what we want.... Better efficiency or better performance. And we can change it when ever we want.
 
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To me this mostly sounds like a preset PBO to minimize effort required to maximize performance without blowing up the power consumption entirely (105W should be in the 130-140W range and would keep the 9700X with the 7700X rather than going higher with PBO max). I suppose we'll find out in time whether it's officially supported or is considered overclocking like PBO is.
 
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thisisaname said:
AMD is raising the power and Intel is lower theirs, very interesting 🤔
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It's hard to tell if Intel is truly lowering theirs as it really depends on if they continue PL1 and PL2. I guess in general, yes, Intel is lowering it but we'll have to wait and see if it's as substantial in the real world as it appears on paper.
 
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Guardians Bane said:
From what I gather from the articles I've read, it won't be permanent. It's just an option in the BIOS. So the CPUs will probably still be listed as 65w since the 105 will only be on MSI boards (so far, but others are supposedly going to do the same eventually).

So that way we all get to decide what we want.... Better efficiency or better performance. And we can change it when ever we want.
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Good point!
 
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The author said: "The "TDP to 105W" option increases the power limit of the Ryzen 5 9600X and Ryzen 7 9700X from 65W to 105W"
Let's remember that TDP isn't a limit but sort of a nominal, thermal-design-for power (heat) level. In today's modern chips, they have complex core frequency boosting behavior, with higher TDP's resulting in both higher sustained clocks and higher turbo clocks, whether multi-core (especially) or single/few-core.

Gamers Nexus and some others noticed that 9600X and 9700X weren't keeping as consistent turbo clocks in many demanding games as their Zen 4 counterparts, which makes sense since AMD misaligned them as [originally being] 65W SKU's competing with previous-gen 105W SKU's; it's become apparent by now that the efficiency gains aren't as strong as the marketing suggested, even if some performance tweaks like using the special Admin account / branch prediction optimization result in the tech media getting results much closer to AMD's own results. Don't get me wrong, it is an efficiency improvement (especially with the perf corrections), but I wouldn't call it "massive."
 
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