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I stopped using MSI products since 2007 .. for their bad aftersales services. now , this is another reason to continue boycotting them.

And I dont believe their claims of not knowing what was happening.
 
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I understand it sounds and looks bad, but on the other hand - it’s market economy - if smdb pays twice, why not sell? Are MSI or Nvidia non-profit companies? Are we living in communism?

PS I don’t like fanboyism, but also antifanboism. And I will not have troubles buying a MSI product IF it will be most suitable (features+quality+price!) for me.
 
Evaldino said:
I understand it sounds and looks bad, but on the other hand - it’s market economy - if smdb pays twice, why not sell? Are MSI or Nvidia non-profit companies? Are we living in communism?

PS I don’t like fanboyism, but also antifanboism. And I will not have troubles buying a MSI product IF it will be most suitable (features+quality+price!) for me.
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While this is true it shows bad will of the company towards customers.

Scandal 1:
Threatening or bribing reviewers to keep their mouth shut about bad reviews.

Scandal 2:
Loading laptops down with bloatware to get kickbacks. 99.9% of it was garbage and caused performance issues.

Scandal 3:
A subsidiary selling double msrp? If this "subsidiary" often sells above msrp then they are full of $&/+. Given their track record MSI knew perfectly well what was going on.

And I always see complaints about after market service.

Do you feel like you trust a company like this? If I were NVIDIA i would cut off supply as a message. Plenty of other companies would be happy with the excess chips. If NVIDIA doen't, it will show nvidia doesnt care about its customer base.
 
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digitalgriffin said:
This isnt the first time msi has been caught in a scandal.

They are off my buy list.
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There were reportedly 4 cards sold by this subsidiary on ebay. A company the size of MSI, who's likely sold 1000's of 3080's to retailers by this point, isn't going to be involved with something like this. What does $2500 mean to MSI? This is the work of a rogue employee or 2 trying to make an extra buck on the side. They should be terminated and move on. I'm not defending anything else MSI has done, but condemning the entire company for this is really a stretch.
 
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spongiemaster said:
There were reportedly 4 cards sold by this subsidiary on ebay. A company the size of MSI, who's likely sold 1000's of 3080's to retailers by this point, isn't going to be involved with something like this. What does $2500 mean to MSI? This is the work of a rogue employee or 2 trying to make an extra buck on the side. They should be terminated and move on. I'm not defending anything else MSI has done, but condemning the entire company for this is really a stretch.
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Given other information on MSI practices I would not put it past them. Doing it through a subsidiary that is not obviously linked to MSI is also a red flag. MSI will know the volumes of inventory they supply the subsidiary and the forecasted/actual revenues. It is quite hard to say they didn’t know, either that or they have some serious financial control issues.
 
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sizzling said:
Given other information on MSI practices I would not put it past them. Doing it through a subsidiary that is not obviously linked to MSI is also a red flag. MSI will know the volumes of inventory they supply the subsidiary and the forecasted/actual revenues. It is quite hard to say they didn’t know, either that or they have some serious financial control issues.
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Hanlon's razor
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Mistakes happen. Letting 4 cards slip through would not be the basis for any official business plan.
 
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Evaldino said:
I understand it sounds and looks bad, but on the other hand - it’s market economy - if smdb pays twice, why not sell? Are MSI or Nvidia non-profit companies? Are we living in communism?

PS I don’t like fanboyism, but also antifanboism. And I will not have troubles buying a MSI product IF it will be most suitable (features+quality+price!) for me.
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It's not a market economy. It's a regulated capitalist economy.

It is most certainly not a laissez-faire free-for-all. If you want to avoid laws or penalties that involve rapacious profiteering for something that's not an essential need, would you allow the same avoidance for a necessity? For anything and everything?

Would you avoid anti-trust laws? Any sorts of regulation?

The sort of thing you propose, would, naturally have to be applicable to EVERYTHING if you want to be "fair" - and that rapidly leads to both monopoly, and, ultimately, catastrophe.

I get that you came from a communist-bloc country, but a gung-ho "everything the opposite of what was done there" would almost be guaranteed to be far worse than what you experienced.
 
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spongiemaster said:
Mistakes happen. Letting 4 cards slip through would not be the basis for any official business plan.
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It's not that only 4 cards slipped through.

For now, we don't know how many cards were sold by Starlit Partner, particularly through Amazon. However, we do know the company has sold at least four cards with excessive pricing through eBay.
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Unknown how many sold through Amazon, and with eBay, it was at least four cards. Which means, 4 to, I don't know, 6? 12? 150? You don't know. Only Starlit, MSI, and eBay know.

Selling 4 cards wasn't any official business plan. The plan was to sell many more than that, and, most importantly, NOT GET CAUGHT.

If someone didn't catch this, do you think they'd stop selling them at scalper prices?
 
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I doubt that MSI had any idea about this. This company will probably just separately run on it's own.

Whoever made the decision to put them up for sale is likely to lose their job shortly!
 
King_V said:
It's not a market economy. It's a regulated capitalist economy.

It is most certainly not a laissez-faire free-for-all. If you want to avoid laws or penalties that involve rapacious profiteering for something that's not an essential need, would you allow the same avoidance for a necessity? For anything and everything?

Would you avoid anti-trust laws? Any sorts of regulation?

The sort of thing you propose, would, naturally have to be applicable to EVERYTHING if you want to be "fair" - and that rapidly leads to both monopoly, and, ultimately, catastrophe.

I get that you came from a communist-bloc country, but a gung-ho "everything the opposite of what was done there" would almost be guaranteed to be far worse than what you experienced.
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I'm sorry but this comment is so off base. If I am reading your comment correctly, you are basically advocating for government price setting of an enthusiast PC product. Nothing MSI did here is illegal. The beauty of capitalism and a free market economy is that the consumer gets to vote with their wallet. In this case, the guy says he will still buy MSI. It's a wonderful thing that he has the freedom to make that choice. For most others (including myself) we will not be buying MSI for this and the other aforementioned reasons/scandals. This will then impact their bottom line and hopefully deter this type of behavior by them going forward. That is the beauty of the free market at work.
 
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ProfQuatermass said:
Surely the free market that America claims to encourage, allows for shortages to adjust the selling price accordingly? Let them try to sell at huge profits and if people want them enough, they'll pay the price.

The rest of us will simply wait until the market stabilises and the prices come down to Earth.
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These "free market" lines are getting played out. It's hustle or get hustled. Get over or get rolled over. That's what "free market" really means to America. Sells as much at whatever price as long as it's legal.
 
digitalgriffin said:
While this is true it shows bad will of the company towards customers.

Scandal 1:
Threatening or bribing reviewers to keep their mouth shut about bad reviews.

Scandal 2:
Loading laptops down with bloatware to get kickbacks. 99.9% of it was garbage and caused performance issues.

Scandal 3:
A subsidiary selling double msrp? If this "subsidiary" often sells above msrp then they are full of $&/+. Given their track record MSI knew perfectly well what was going on.

And I always see complaints about after market service.

Do you feel like you trust a company like this? If I were NVIDIA i would cut off supply as a message. Plenty of other companies would be happy with the excess chips. If NVIDIA doen't, it will show nvidia doesnt care about its customer base.
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Are you kidding me? Do you not know who Nvidia is? They literally have the nickname Ngreedia. If anything those greedy f*&^s would be mad they didn't think of it first.
 
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Evaldino said:
I understand it sounds and looks bad, but on the other hand - it’s market economy - if smdb pays twice, why not sell? Are MSI or Nvidia non-profit companies? Are we living in communism?

PS I don’t like fanboyism, but also antifanboism. And I will not have troubles buying a MSI product IF it will be most suitable (features+quality+price!) for me.
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What communism ? Microsoft windows player was banned in EU and was fined 500 million euros .. because they tried to eliminate all competition.

No you cant sell as you wish and buy everything in the market because you are rich enough and then sell it triple the price .. this has nothing to do with communism.
 
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Evaldino said:
I understand it sounds and looks bad, but on the other hand - it’s market economy - if smdb pays twice, why not sell? Are MSI or Nvidia non-profit companies? Are we living in communism?

PS I don’t like fanboyism, but also antifanboism. And I will not have troubles buying a MSI product IF it will be most suitable (features+quality+price!) for me.
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there are regulations for a reason. any form of economy with no regulations will never work. there's always going to be sociopaths who exploit: "waste? what waste" basically.
anarchy, liberalism et al, all a pipe dream. this can only happen where everyone has an intrinsic moral compass. you see this happening any time soon? I don't
 
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