slvr_phoenix
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And that, I believe, is entirely the point. You don't see the errors there, but everyone else does. Maybe if you'd take more time to listen to people who actually know what they're talking about and learn instead of being so darn defensive and aggressive about everything then you'd see those errors too. Just a thought. :roll:
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Make no mistake, SLI and Crossfire are here to stay. With all the hardware research done, almost no modification is necessary to make SLI work in new, nex-gen video cards. All the capital has been spent to make it work and at this point there's no down side to making cards SLI capable. nVidia can only benefit from it. Now people can buy twice as many cards! 🙂
ATI's crossfire is a bit different though. You have to buy retarded "crossfire" editions which cost more 'cause of that frikin Xilinx chip. ATI better figure out a better solution quick- who the hell wants to pay $60 more for any given card just so it'll work in Crossfire mode? I believe this is partly why crossfire really hasn't caught on. All of nVidia's cards already do it for free! I mean, that's just smart business sense. If you want people to buy 2x of your product, don't jack up the price for both! Almost like volume discounting. 🙂
All the hardcore gamers I know use SLI. Including myself.
-mpjesse
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**shakes head sadly** Sometimes it really is. But I usually manage in the end.
Honestly though, sometimes I don't wonder if I have any number of very minor levels of disabilities, not the least of which is a pinch of lysdexia. I can get so very foncused.
Here's one that's a real kicker though: I just realized this the other night. Some people are visual people. They learn best by sight, and can even see stuff in their head with mad skillz. Some people are aural people. They learn best by hearing, and I think, probably talk things out a lot in their head. Me though? I'm neither. Of the senses, I seem to be more scent oriented ... which is kind of weird to say the least. It makes for some good cooking, but some really jumbled thinking. The result is that mostly I best 'think' not in sight or sound, but in emotion. Weird, eh?
And then there's all that weird crap that I dump into my brain. The gods only know why I find certain things interesting.
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BTW... I thought this might give you a chuckle.
I finally had an iPod die on me. It was a 3rd generation 10GB. First the battery refused to hold a charge, so I bought one of those battery replacement kits on eBay. I put it in and it worked great for about 1hr... then the damn thing flaked out again. Now I can't even get it to charge.
Piece of crap.
Still, 1 dead iPod out of 5 isn't bad. My old 1st generation still holds a full 10hr charge! I hope my new iPod Video lasts a long time... I really love it. Paid a fortune for it too.
-mpjesse
I finally had an iPod die on me. It was a 3rd generation 10GB. First the battery refused to hold a charge, so I bought one of those battery replacement kits on eBay. I put it in and it worked great for about 1hr... then the damn thing flaked out again. Now I can't even get it to charge.
Piece of crap.
Still, 1 dead iPod out of 5 isn't bad. My old 1st generation still holds a full 10hr charge! I hope my new iPod Video lasts a long time... I really love it. Paid a fortune for it too.
-mpjesse
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Heh heh. Well, it's bound to happen. No device lasts forever, especially when made by Apple.
Actually, when I think about quality control issues that Apple has had in the past, I'm kind of impressed at how well they've done with the iPods. Any word on if their Nanos have harder screens yet?
Still, I'm just not an iPod fan. I hate the look, but I hate that infernal software even more. iTunes = iWillNeverUse
But even still, what I really want, I think, at least right now, is something the size of a CD walkman. (Because it'd have to be able to play MP3 CDs or even DVDs.) That'd give it plenty of space for a good color screen. That'd also give it space for a micro hard drive and a good battery. And it'd have space for a variety of memory cards/sticks. It'd have a USB2 connection, of course, as well as 5.1 sound hookups. (Because life isn't always about stereo.) And it'd have a micro detachable/dockable IR remote control. And it'd have an open-source OS where anyone could upgrade it with new CODECs on their own, having at a minimum VRB MP3, Ogg, and the ability to play DVDs (so, what, MPEG1 and 2 at least, and hopefully 4, DivX, etc.) And, of course, no matter what else, it would have to be able to be interfaced through Windows Explorer to transfer files, regardless of what other software comes with it.
That and/or a tiny USB keychain player that runs for a minimum of 10 hours off of a single rechargable AAA battery (even better if it can serve as the battery charger when plugged into a USB port), has a minimal b&w screen, supports VBR MP3 and Ogg, and has at least 6GB of storage. :mrgreen:
Yeah. Build me either (or both) of them and I'll save up the fortune to buy buy buy. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Anything less is uncivilized. 😀
Actually, when I think about quality control issues that Apple has had in the past, I'm kind of impressed at how well they've done with the iPods. Any word on if their Nanos have harder screens yet?
Still, I'm just not an iPod fan. I hate the look, but I hate that infernal software even more. iTunes = iWillNeverUse
But even still, what I really want, I think, at least right now, is something the size of a CD walkman. (Because it'd have to be able to play MP3 CDs or even DVDs.) That'd give it plenty of space for a good color screen. That'd also give it space for a micro hard drive and a good battery. And it'd have space for a variety of memory cards/sticks. It'd have a USB2 connection, of course, as well as 5.1 sound hookups. (Because life isn't always about stereo.) And it'd have a micro detachable/dockable IR remote control. And it'd have an open-source OS where anyone could upgrade it with new CODECs on their own, having at a minimum VRB MP3, Ogg, and the ability to play DVDs (so, what, MPEG1 and 2 at least, and hopefully 4, DivX, etc.) And, of course, no matter what else, it would have to be able to be interfaced through Windows Explorer to transfer files, regardless of what other software comes with it.
That and/or a tiny USB keychain player that runs for a minimum of 10 hours off of a single rechargable AAA battery (even better if it can serve as the battery charger when plugged into a USB port), has a minimal b&w screen, supports VBR MP3 and Ogg, and has at least 6GB of storage. :mrgreen:
Yeah. Build me either (or both) of them and I'll save up the fortune to buy buy buy. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Anything less is uncivilized. 😀
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Hello, Sir!
Well, as for PCIe related issues, you might as well have a peek at http://www.pcisig.com/home, if you wish.
Secondly, many OEMs have dual GPU implementations, ATI or nVIDIA wise. By the way, Sir, a dual-chip implementation is HOT enough and, though not impossible, it's [very] unlikely a four-chip one (let alone SLI/Crossfire technological issues...). And no, PCIe is not a bus; it's a point-to-point serial interconnect (for instance, a PCIe x16 is 128-bit!).
Thirdly, "VPU" is a term coined by 3D Labs & stands for "Visual Processing Unit", not for "Video...". Though not important (for this discussion), you made it so.
Last but not least, i used irony in my post, not offense,... Sir. I wish you should stick to this forum's standards and accept both sense of humour and enlightenment in exchange of fair-play & humble ignorance. Then again, even "stupidity" deserves a second chance... and a third...
Cheers... again.
Well, as for PCIe related issues, you might as well have a peek at http://www.pcisig.com/home, if you wish.
Secondly, many OEMs have dual GPU implementations, ATI or nVIDIA wise. By the way, Sir, a dual-chip implementation is HOT enough and, though not impossible, it's [very] unlikely a four-chip one (let alone SLI/Crossfire technological issues...). And no, PCIe is not a bus; it's a point-to-point serial interconnect (for instance, a PCIe x16 is 128-bit!).
Thirdly, "VPU" is a term coined by 3D Labs & stands for "Visual Processing Unit", not for "Video...". Though not important (for this discussion), you made it so.
Last but not least, i used irony in my post, not offense,... Sir. I wish you should stick to this forum's standards and accept both sense of humour and enlightenment in exchange of fair-play & humble ignorance. Then again, even "stupidity" deserves a second chance... and a third...
Cheers... again.
OK, I guess if you want to call a serial bus a point to point serial interconnect, but the people who make the chips call it a serial BUS (see below italics in BENEFITS). And, since PCIe are LANES of data, up to 32 total lanes, the words have to be re- buffered. But, the lanes self clock themselves and as such are highly tolerant of SKEW, which is what kills true parallell bus methods like IDE and SCSI. In the end, this bus is nothing but a 1Gig Ethernet protcol in a BUS of up to 32 full duplex seriel LANES, in parallel, with self clocking to be skew tolerent.
Each lane is an 8-bit word at 2500MHz each way. So you parallel the lanes in 1, 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 and 32 to stack the total bandwidth, much like bonding telephone lines in parallel for high bandwidth applications.
The traffic still has to bottleneck through the Mboard's memory controller hub in the chipset, though, to get to the CPU and RAM. I'm not sure how well this device (memory controller) will scale up with more PCIe lanes.
So that said, can't I say VPU instead of GPU if I want to? We both know what we're talking about, yes?
Features
PCI Express provides the following features:
Currently runs at 2.5 Gbps or 250MBps per lane in each direction
A total bandwidth of 16GBps in a 32-lane configuration
Smooth development migration
Quality of service (QoS, power management, hot plug, data integrity and error handling
Power management, reduces power consumption and emission
Error handling improves system management, serviceability, and availability
Point-to-point serial interconnections between devices (using directly wired interfaces between chips, cables between devices, or connector slots for PCI Express expansion cards)
High bandwidth per pin
Scalable bus widths (where upstream width can be different than downstream width and vice-versa)
Low power consumption and power management functions
Device hot-plug-ability and hot-swap
Quality of service (QOS) link configuration and arbitration policies
Isochronous data transfer support
Host-based transfers through host bridge chips and peer-to-peer transfers through switches
Packetized and layered protocol architecture
Multiple virtual channels per physical link
End-to-end and Link-level data integrity
PCI-level error handling and advanced error reporting
Use of small connectors for space savings
Compatibility with PCI at the software layers (but not at the board or connector level)
Benefits
Compared to its predecessors' (PCI and PCI-X) parallel architecture, PCI-E's serial bus architecture offers scalable performance, higher bandwidth per pin, lower overhead and low latency, plus an equivalent or lower cost structure than existing PCI designs. PCI-E support of different link widths (x1,x2,x4,x8,x12,x16,x32) makes it highly scalable.
Serial architecture means fewer pins, which in turn reduce system cost through lower package pin counts and less PCB board layers and area.
At 2.5Gbit/sec/direction, the high bandwidth provided by PCI-E can help with high throughput applications and peak traffic loads.
PCI-E is software compatible with PCI and PCI-X. It can boot existing operating systems without any changes. Its configuration and device driver interfaces are compatible with PCI. This will make a smooth migration from a PCI or PCI-X based system.
PCI-E can support multiple connection types such as chip-to-chip, and board-to-board via connector.
PCI-E supports multiple market segments such as Desktop, Mobile, Server, Communications, Storage, Workstations and Embedded Devices.
Each lane is an 8-bit word at 2500MHz each way. So you parallel the lanes in 1, 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 and 32 to stack the total bandwidth, much like bonding telephone lines in parallel for high bandwidth applications.
The traffic still has to bottleneck through the Mboard's memory controller hub in the chipset, though, to get to the CPU and RAM. I'm not sure how well this device (memory controller) will scale up with more PCIe lanes.
So that said, can't I say VPU instead of GPU if I want to? We both know what we're talking about, yes?
Features
PCI Express provides the following features:
Currently runs at 2.5 Gbps or 250MBps per lane in each direction
A total bandwidth of 16GBps in a 32-lane configuration
Smooth development migration
Quality of service (QoS, power management, hot plug, data integrity and error handling
Power management, reduces power consumption and emission
Error handling improves system management, serviceability, and availability
Point-to-point serial interconnections between devices (using directly wired interfaces between chips, cables between devices, or connector slots for PCI Express expansion cards)
High bandwidth per pin
Scalable bus widths (where upstream width can be different than downstream width and vice-versa)
Low power consumption and power management functions
Device hot-plug-ability and hot-swap
Quality of service (QOS) link configuration and arbitration policies
Isochronous data transfer support
Host-based transfers through host bridge chips and peer-to-peer transfers through switches
Packetized and layered protocol architecture
Multiple virtual channels per physical link
End-to-end and Link-level data integrity
PCI-level error handling and advanced error reporting
Use of small connectors for space savings
Compatibility with PCI at the software layers (but not at the board or connector level)
Benefits
Compared to its predecessors' (PCI and PCI-X) parallel architecture, PCI-E's serial bus architecture offers scalable performance, higher bandwidth per pin, lower overhead and low latency, plus an equivalent or lower cost structure than existing PCI designs. PCI-E support of different link widths (x1,x2,x4,x8,x12,x16,x32) makes it highly scalable.
Serial architecture means fewer pins, which in turn reduce system cost through lower package pin counts and less PCB board layers and area.
At 2.5Gbit/sec/direction, the high bandwidth provided by PCI-E can help with high throughput applications and peak traffic loads.
PCI-E is software compatible with PCI and PCI-X. It can boot existing operating systems without any changes. Its configuration and device driver interfaces are compatible with PCI. This will make a smooth migration from a PCI or PCI-X based system.
PCI-E can support multiple connection types such as chip-to-chip, and board-to-board via connector.
PCI-E supports multiple market segments such as Desktop, Mobile, Server, Communications, Storage, Workstations and Embedded Devices.
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Hi, forumers!
Now, there you have it! Sometimes (not always, however!), a good, objective search, helps avoiding misunderstandings & favours us all to 'speak' the same language.
You really deserved my vote (again, i'm not being condescendent, here!). I bet you know more & better now, about PCIe, than before; simultaneously, you've made everybody else more enlightened and willing to pay you more attention (patience, perhaps?), on what regards your next threads on the OTHER subject.
Hope you take my words as i intend to: it's no big deal to ask dull questions; after all, it's - mostly - what this forum is all about (i'll have plenty of time to ask mine, as well!). If you'll run through your previous posts, i'm sure you'll UNDERSTAND other people's reactions...
[As a footnote, i find it hard to swallow why PCIe, despite being a serial interconnect, is usually NOT considered a bus unless by comparison; nevertheless, it's how it is - commonly - adressed to: a serial interconnect, à la ccHTT.]
Cheers!
Now, there you have it! Sometimes (not always, however!), a good, objective search, helps avoiding misunderstandings & favours us all to 'speak' the same language.
You really deserved my vote (again, i'm not being condescendent, here!). I bet you know more & better now, about PCIe, than before; simultaneously, you've made everybody else more enlightened and willing to pay you more attention (patience, perhaps?), on what regards your next threads on the OTHER subject.
Hope you take my words as i intend to: it's no big deal to ask dull questions; after all, it's - mostly - what this forum is all about (i'll have plenty of time to ask mine, as well!). If you'll run through your previous posts, i'm sure you'll UNDERSTAND other people's reactions...
[As a footnote, i find it hard to swallow why PCIe, despite being a serial interconnect, is usually NOT considered a bus unless by comparison; nevertheless, it's how it is - commonly - adressed to: a serial interconnect, à la ccHTT.]
Cheers!
OK, I made it to the end of Doom3 on the AMD 3800+ X2 and I can cruise the net and Outlook Express with no issues. I have had to do ZERO driver modification (AMD’s X2 driver or MS hot fix not needed). To be truthful, this has been the easiest PC ever to build and get running. I’ve had NO issues at all that I know of…yet. The thing I do notice the most about this AMD’s X2 3800+ CPU is that it runs so cool. It is at 34C at idle and even right after I exit a game I never see it above 38C. My old Intel Northwood 533MHz FSB P4 3.06GHz ran at 45C idle and up to 60C when pressed. And, that’s with water-cooling.
So I took the chance with the newer core type muti-core CPU and it turned out to be OK. I have the SAME modem that tripped up my old Hyperthread Intel CPU using the SAME modem driver in XP Home. Go figure. So worrying about what to worry about didn't happen at all. That's first, and I'm sure glad I'm wrong on this one.
SLI here to stay? Well, I'll go against you on that, as far as the near high-end mainstream ($500.00 or so) because the cost of selling you ONE card with twice the speed is way cheaper (new ATI verses 7800). The cards are so fast now that I don't think that the percentage of "SLI" type solutions will be much of the pie as they were or are now. And, PCIe can handle the through-put at 32 wide so I have to ask what is the customer's advantage for two cards? Remember VOODO and a 2D card combo? Well, one card got good enough and we never looked back. Now we're just going in the same circle, one card is fast enough again and by the time it isn't, SLI as we know it won't probably won't fit the next great bus.
This newer PC is great;
Asus A8N SLI Premium
2 Gig Corsair PC3200 value RAM (reported CAS2.5)
AMD 3800+ X2
ARCTIC FREEZER 64 Pro Cooler – see note
EVGA 7800GT SLI
WD 2500KS 16MEG
Liteon SOHC–5236K CD-RW / DVD
BFG 600PSU power supply
NOTE – The freezer Pro64 is half upside down!
Pros: Cheap, well-made, quiet, and easy installation. Even when it is oriented wrong on the board when mounted as advised, it still cool well. My AMD 3800+ is at 32C most of the time.
For better performance, look for a sink with ALL the heat pipes moving up and away from the heat pad, not half of them. This heat sink is designed to be best used with a motherboard that is horizontal.
Cons: The heat pipes are not oriented correctly for vertical motherboard applications that 99% of ATX users will experience in mid and tower (none "desktop"/ horizontal) cases. For best performance, all the heat pipes should move ABOVE and AWAY from the heat source into the cooling fins. In the typical installation, only half of the six heat pipes meet these criteria. The remaining three that run DOWN and BELOW the heat pad on the CPU are ineffective.
Other Thoughts: I wonder how well this sink would work if it were made to orient ALL the heat pipes correctly? Don't think that you can turn the sink ninety degrees either, this will put two heat BELOW the heat pad, another two parallel with the heat pad, and another two heat pipes barely above the heat pad. Not a single orientation is good on any of them.
I had no issues with memory stick clearance on my ASUS A8N-SLI premium, as some note, with standard Corsair Value RAM. And, the A8N - SLI premium heat pipe chipset heat sink HAS to be mounted VERTICAL. At least ASUS knows what to do with heat pipes.
So I took the chance with the newer core type muti-core CPU and it turned out to be OK. I have the SAME modem that tripped up my old Hyperthread Intel CPU using the SAME modem driver in XP Home. Go figure. So worrying about what to worry about didn't happen at all. That's first, and I'm sure glad I'm wrong on this one.
SLI here to stay? Well, I'll go against you on that, as far as the near high-end mainstream ($500.00 or so) because the cost of selling you ONE card with twice the speed is way cheaper (new ATI verses 7800). The cards are so fast now that I don't think that the percentage of "SLI" type solutions will be much of the pie as they were or are now. And, PCIe can handle the through-put at 32 wide so I have to ask what is the customer's advantage for two cards? Remember VOODO and a 2D card combo? Well, one card got good enough and we never looked back. Now we're just going in the same circle, one card is fast enough again and by the time it isn't, SLI as we know it won't probably won't fit the next great bus.
This newer PC is great;
Asus A8N SLI Premium
2 Gig Corsair PC3200 value RAM (reported CAS2.5)
AMD 3800+ X2
ARCTIC FREEZER 64 Pro Cooler – see note
EVGA 7800GT SLI
WD 2500KS 16MEG
Liteon SOHC–5236K CD-RW / DVD
BFG 600PSU power supply
NOTE – The freezer Pro64 is half upside down!
Pros: Cheap, well-made, quiet, and easy installation. Even when it is oriented wrong on the board when mounted as advised, it still cool well. My AMD 3800+ is at 32C most of the time.
For better performance, look for a sink with ALL the heat pipes moving up and away from the heat pad, not half of them. This heat sink is designed to be best used with a motherboard that is horizontal.
Cons: The heat pipes are not oriented correctly for vertical motherboard applications that 99% of ATX users will experience in mid and tower (none "desktop"/ horizontal) cases. For best performance, all the heat pipes should move ABOVE and AWAY from the heat source into the cooling fins. In the typical installation, only half of the six heat pipes meet these criteria. The remaining three that run DOWN and BELOW the heat pad on the CPU are ineffective.
Other Thoughts: I wonder how well this sink would work if it were made to orient ALL the heat pipes correctly? Don't think that you can turn the sink ninety degrees either, this will put two heat BELOW the heat pad, another two parallel with the heat pad, and another two heat pipes barely above the heat pad. Not a single orientation is good on any of them.
I had no issues with memory stick clearance on my ASUS A8N-SLI premium, as some note, with standard Corsair Value RAM. And, the A8N - SLI premium heat pipe chipset heat sink HAS to be mounted VERTICAL. At least ASUS knows what to do with heat pipes.
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Are people still wondering about this ?
Windows XP Home:
1 socket
Currently 2 cores (possibly more in future)
or 2 virtual CPUs (eg: HyperThreading)
A single socket dual-core (with hyperthreading on each core) may req WinXP Pro to see all '4 logical CPUs' though. Most people with Pentium D Extreme Editions run WinXP Pro though.
Windows XP Pro: (x64 Edition included):
2 sockets
Currently 4 cores total (possibly more in future)
Not sure if 2 x Intel Xeons, each dual-core & hyperthreaded, would permit 8 threads to be processed at once though.
Windows 2000 / 2003 Server Editions:
Varies, Check supported hardware
If it becomes possible to process 4 threads per processor socket, (instead of 2, as of 2002) then Microsoft are very likely to release patches to support, and control, implementation... as WinXP Home (1) and Pro (2) are licensed per processor socket, not per core & not per the number of threads that can be executed at once.
Windows XP Home does not have inferior task scheduling either compared to XP Pro, as some may have mentioned above, it is just limited to 1 socket (be that single core, hyperthreaded or dual-core). No doubt some will try to argue against this (sure there might be timeslice length differences, variable vs static length, etc, but it won't have a measurable negative affect performance in 99% of cases including games software).
The most important thing to note is XP Pro comes with that sexy blue book, as XP Home comes with that puke green book 😳
Some posts ago I mentioned going to MS's site and searching for "dual core", obviously some couldn't be bothered so here is the definitive answer right from the source: MS dualcore licensing. It has pictures/diagrams so people will better understand what MS considers a processor and core.
Some posts ago I mentioned going to MS's site and searching for "dual core", obviously some couldn't be bothered so here is the definitive answer right from the source: MS dualcore licensing. It has pictures/diagrams so people will better understand what MS considers a processor and core.
Well, my PC(s) never seem to follow convention, except this one (thank-God). When I hooked it all up and it worked it was like 8O holy @*$% I do get a break today! I ditched all my legacy stuff like SCSI Hdrives and such. I even abandon dual boot to W98SE for games. Why? If W98SE crashes, you have to reload it first, and then reload XP because it messes up the boot strings something terrible and I can't (nor can anyone else) figure out how to fix it. So if W98SE dies, I have to reload BOTH OS's 
.
About those crazy phase change coolers that seem ill designed, though? :?:
PS- I have a dino that sits on top of my dining room light. Maybe its pink for a reason 😳 But am I glad! Great thread though.
Thanks to all,
rower30
. About those crazy phase change coolers that seem ill designed, though? :?:
PS- I have a dino that sits on top of my dining room light. Maybe its pink for a reason 😳 But am I glad! Great thread though.
Thanks to all,
rower30
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You see, I always start a build assuming it will work. It always work anyway. If you start a build, assuming that you will have problem, then you'll start to overlook everything, installing patch over patch, drivers over drivers before even having really tested it and end up with a messy build that is unstable and often crash.
Legacy stuff is what kill stability on most new PC. They are no more supported by newer stuff, don't behave according to current standard and often slowest than newer and cheaper stuff. I never move anything that is more than a few years old into new computer.
There is no product on the market that don't work. Even the cheapest motherboard will work. What make them not working is a combination of cheap stuff, inadequate PSU, mismatched RAM,.. but mostly user errors. You cannot imagine all that I've seen in term of user errors.. And what is worst, they blame the hardware!!! When I get a non working to fix, I always start by tearing it apart, to remove mounting post forgotten underneath the motherboard sometime.. if there is any mounting post used..
Happy to see that everything is running as it should. now, enjoy and don't be chicken next time.. go for it!
Legacy stuff is what kill stability on most new PC. They are no more supported by newer stuff, don't behave according to current standard and often slowest than newer and cheaper stuff. I never move anything that is more than a few years old into new computer.
There is no product on the market that don't work. Even the cheapest motherboard will work. What make them not working is a combination of cheap stuff, inadequate PSU, mismatched RAM,.. but mostly user errors. You cannot imagine all that I've seen in term of user errors.. And what is worst, they blame the hardware!!! When I get a non working to fix, I always start by tearing it apart, to remove mounting post forgotten underneath the motherboard sometime.. if there is any mounting post used..
Happy to see that everything is running as it should. now, enjoy and don't be chicken next time.. go for it!
You base your facts and conclutions on to many assumtions and experiences of others
as fare as im concerned you dont have a leg to stand on when it comes to being right or wrong as you dont have any practicle experience in the duel core areana to establish that you are correct with your ASSUMTIONS
Just look at me I know I am right because like you I havent had any hands on experience with duel cor BUT hey all the people I know have had nothing go wrong with there duel cores so that means that with my assumtions from other peoples experiences with there duel cores must be that I know what I am talking about so i am right
What a load of garbedge
I will be getting a duel cor for my next computer and i will be experimenting with it to find out how it ticks and fine tuneing ocing to get the best performence out of her
And as for paches the reasons why paches are put out is because the people who wrote the programs didnt reserch properly and sent there prog and games out on to the market half done hence they then have to write paches to fix the problems that they didnt alow for
I am glad you wrote in though you got a lot of people responding in the debate of the duel core and i have learnt something out of this
:roll: and that is um arrr let me see 😀 if you prefere single to duel core fine and if you were after some reasurence no prob but dont try to argue your point on assumtions and hear say against people who are dealing with facts from there own experiences
Gazza
as fare as im concerned you dont have a leg to stand on when it comes to being right or wrong as you dont have any practicle experience in the duel core areana to establish that you are correct with your ASSUMTIONS
Just look at me I know I am right because like you I havent had any hands on experience with duel cor BUT hey all the people I know have had nothing go wrong with there duel cores so that means that with my assumtions from other peoples experiences with there duel cores must be that I know what I am talking about so i am right
What a load of garbedge
I will be getting a duel cor for my next computer and i will be experimenting with it to find out how it ticks and fine tuneing ocing to get the best performence out of her
And as for paches the reasons why paches are put out is because the people who wrote the programs didnt reserch properly and sent there prog and games out on to the market half done hence they then have to write paches to fix the problems that they didnt alow for
I am glad you wrote in though you got a lot of people responding in the debate of the duel core and i have learnt something out of this
:roll: and that is um arrr
let me see 😀 if you prefere single to duel core fine and if you were after some reasurence no prob but dont try to argue your point on assumtions and hear say against people who are dealing with facts from there own experiencesGazza
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As for heat pipes, I seem to recall that the old heatpipes had to be vertical to operate correctly. (Or at least efficiently.) However there are new heatpipes which use a different method of pushing heat around with phase changes that can operate efficiently in any orientation. So before going off on bad designs, I'd first make sure which type of heatpipe is actually involved, because with as much as the technology has advanted, it is quite possible that a vertical orientation would make no difference in the product at all.
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