Question Multiple BSOD issues ?

[edgrace]

Hi, I have been experiencing a lot of bsods after upgrading a few bits of hardware; my GPU, an addition of 32gb of RAM on top of the 16 that was already there, an nvme drive, and a 1000w psu.

I've seen errors like: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL and DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION for the most part.

From what I've read its usually a driver issue, but I've tried DDU multiple time, I've reinstalled windows entirely, and have tried updated driver with device manager.

I also thought it was a virus, so I've done multiple scans to no avail.

I also stopped any overclocking.

I check temps, and they max out cpu: ~75 and GPU also ~75 with idles around 45

my system is as follows:

ASUS Prime X470-PRO
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
2x 16 GB 3200mhz RAM + 2x 8 GB 3200mhz RAM ( the matching sets are in every other slot)
RTX 3070
samsung 980 pro nvme ssd
4 other ssd
intel wifi 6 ax200 wifi adaptor

Please let me know any other useful info I could provide.

Cheers

 

[edgrace]

I am still looking through thread again to see what I suggested.

Have I suggested Prime 95 yet? Checks ram, CPU & power supply - helps to run overnight
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/prime95-download.html
Prime 95 Instructions - https://appuals.com/how-to-run-a-cpu-stress-test-using-prime95/

only 1 drive attached still? Try running Magician on drive and if it lets you, run diagnostics - https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/support/tools/

dpc = Deferred Procedure Call. An interrupt occurred on the CPU and an expected process didn't start fast enough. That is how I interpret it anyway.
DPC_QUEUE_EXECUTION_TIMEOUT_EXCEEDED
Interrupts are normal, CPU contantly interrupted to allow more important processes to run, and then after its done, the Deferred Procedure Call starts the process that had been interrupted again... clearly it didn't work.

remember this:

Where did you get chipset drivers you installed this time? Because you have less this time - all installed drivers:

Mar 11 2020	amdgpio2.sys	AMD GPIO Controller Driver from Advanced Micro Devices http://support.amd.com/
Oct 04 2021	rtcx21x64.sys
Jun 01 2022	AMDPCIDev.sys	Advanced Micro Devices PCI Device driver
Jun 24 2022	nvhda64v.sys	Nvidia HDMI Audio Device http://www.nvidia.com/
Aug 11 2022	ibtusb.sys	Intel(R) Wireless Bluetooth(R) Filter driver (Intel Corporation)
Aug 15 2022	Netwtw10.sys	Intel Wi-Fi driver
Sep 13 2022	nvlddmkm.sys	Nvidia Graphics Card driver http://www.nvidia.com/

So 2 AMD drivers, I would expect more if you used the link I gave - https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/x570

it seems odd it won't let you install more.

I needed to attach the other drives for work. Weird, I used the same installation exe as before, I guess I'll reinstall it see if that works

 

[Colif]

i would have assumed you have amdpsp.sys since you on 11.
I have an X570 myself

A few more there than you have. Could be you don't get Ryzen master any more. I haven't clean installed win 11 yet. They all run with windows so if I crashed, would appear in dumps.

Do you get errors regardless of if the other drives attached or not?

i would be surprised if its still a driver at fault.
Run Prime 95 overnight, it can run for 17 hours

I have to go soon as its 3.30am.

you stopped getting TPM warnings right?
amdpsp.sys - Amd Platform Security processor. It is what TPM runs on. Driver just talks to it, its not the actual TPM itself. TPM is a ARM core on the AMD CPU.

 

[edgrace]

i would have assumed you have amdpsp.sys since you on 11.
I have an X570 myself

A few more there than you have. Could be you don't get Ryzen master any more. I haven't clean installed win 11 yet. They all run with windows so if I crashed, would appear in dumps.

Do you get errors regardless of if the other drives attached or not?

i would be surprised if its still a driver at fault.
Run Prime 95 overnight, it can run for 17 hours

I have to go soon as its 3.30am.

you stopped getting TPM warnings right?
amdpsp.sys - Amd Platform Security processor. It is what TPM runs on. Driver just talks to it, its not the actual TPM itself. TPM is a ARM core on the AMD CPU.

yeh, i stopped getting tpm errors as I switched my system from legacy to uefi. I tried installing ryzen master a while ago and it wouldn't work, I will see if I get all the chipset drivers.

 

[Colif]

i thought it was part of the driver package but they might have taken it off
I should have said to ignore it, as I actually have the application installed. I haven't clean installed in 2 years so I have a mix of old and new drivers myself.

tpm wouldn't work all that well in legacy. Okay. I just ignore that

 

[edgrace]

Ran p95 all night with no issues. I realise this morning I haven't installed motherboard realtek LAN and audio drivers but I'm not counting my luck. :/

 

[Colif]

Windows includes drivers for lan and audio so in most cases you don't need to go look for newer of those

ASUS Prime X470-PRO – now had X570 A Pro with newest bios
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X – cooler maybe too tight once? - passes prime 95
2x 16 GB 3200mhz RAM + 2x 8 GB 3200mhz RAM ( the matching sets are in every other slot) - Currently only using 2 x 32gb set only – passes memtest
RTX 3070
samsung 980 pro nvme ssd
4 other ssd
intel wifi 6 ax200 wifi adaptor - still waiting on new one?

test nvme

running out of parts.

 

[edgrace]

did an extended smart self-test on the nvme and it passed. Is there a good way of testing the SATA ssd's? If its not the wireless card, drives, or cpu/psu/mem then its gonna be the gpu which sucks because I had to get it when it was overpriced. Cant see how it is the gpu though becasue I never bluescreen when gaming, only rarely while working and watching youtube (I use anydesk to work) and then it tends to happen when idle, mostly overnight

 

[Colif]

while 2 suggest ir could be GPU, many don't. Its not consistent, hence reason I jumped all over the place answering thread.

GPU driver crashes tend to happen in games, not at idle.

First crash report 14th Sept https://jsfiddle.net/Lwde9otf/show
IRQL_GT_ZERO_AT_SYSTEM_SERVICE (4a)
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (a)
KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE (139)
SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION (3b)
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (a)
19th Sept - https://jsfiddle.net/3xvwq1kz/show - one could be GPU
UNEXPECTED_KERNEL_MODE_TRAP_M (1000007f)
SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION (3b)
26th Sept - https://jsfiddle.net/sfdr26b3/show - could be GPU drivers
IRQL_GT_ZERO_AT_SYSTEM_SERVICE (4a)
29 Sept - https://jsfiddle.net/tqw7fsjy/show
DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (d1)
5th Oct - https://jsfiddle.net/o8va36ps/show
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (a)
11th Oct - https://jsfiddle.net/61syc2pz/show
DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION (133)

have I suggested this yet?

Info - Driver Verifier Instructions

Please don't run this until you are asked to as it can put you in a boot loop what is Driver verifier? It is a part of Windows designed to reveal bad drivers. It tests them individually. It will cause Blue Screen Errors as that is its job Driver Verifier monitors Windows kernel-mode...

forums.tomshardware.com

Is there a good way of testing the SATA ssd's?

Blue icons here - https://crystalmark.info/en/

 

[edgrace]

have I suggested this yet?

Info - Driver Verifier Instructions

Please don't run this until you are asked to as it can put you in a boot loop what is Driver verifier? It is a part of Windows designed to reveal bad drivers. It tests them individually. It will cause Blue Screen Errors as that is its job Driver Verifier monitors Windows kernel-mode...

forums.tomshardware.com

Blue icons here - https://crystalmark.info/en/

Yes but you said not to bother as I reinstalled windows. I can run it at the weekend. Could it be a faulty wifi/bluetooth device? I removed it today and uninstalled the drivers. I tried this before but think I had other problems causing bsod, but I had to put it back and forgot to remove it again.

 

[Colif]

if you removed WIFI, i would wait and see if you BSOD before running Driver Verifier.

run crystaldiskinfo on the other drives, just to be sure. Its pretty fast, it should automatically get results. No actual tests though.

 

[edgrace]

the oldest disk is 68 percent (although that still says good) I might try removing it for a bit if i bsod again

 

[Colif]

What brands are the drives?
Most hardware makers have software you can use to test their drives, so we could check it further.

68 isn't that bad, it always helps to have backups of any data you can't lose though.

 

[edgrace]

What brands are the drives?
Most hardware makers have software you can use to test their drives, so we could check it further.

68 isn't that bad, it always helps to have backups of any data you can't lose though.

that ones a crucial (its the oldest one), I've got a pioneer, a sata samsung, and a kingston

 

[Colif]

Crucials tool might look at health, doesn't seem to have any tests - https://www.crucial.com/support/storage-executive
Pioneer haven't made hdd in a while. I can only see ssd and external drives on their site now. I would use crystaldiskinfo on it.
Magician should work on the samsung ssd
Kingston - https://www.kingston.com/en/support/technical/ssdmanager

 

[edgrace]

kingston thing has been doing this for a few hours now, I think I will remove it and see if it makes a difference. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_7MQEk6t_T4SqCrxHiNUz38nLBr1IcrV/view?usp=sharing

Edit: i restarted it and the scan only took a moment, but there is no information. I think the software is just broken.

 

[Colif]

Is that starting app or running a scan? or just trying to find the ssd?

looking at that message on Google search seems to suggest it can't find drive at all.

try running hdtune trial on it, might be able to run tests - https://www.hdtune.com/

 

[edgrace]

Is that starting app or running a scan? or just trying to find the ssd?

looking at that message on Google search seems to suggest it can't find drive at all.

try running hdtune trial on it, might be able to run tests - https://www.hdtune.com/

I tested all the non samsung disks with hd tune pro (its got an error scanner) they're all fine

 

[Colif]

had any bsod recently?
Guess it is only 2 days since the last one, and the pattern seems to be 3 days.
So you use hibernate or PC just on all time?

i would look in scheduled tasks and see if anything happens at same time as bsod as it seems you go a few days without a BSOD and then have them again.

 

[edgrace]

had any bsod recently?
Guess it is only 2 days since the last one, and the pattern seems to be 3 days.
So you use hibernate or PC just on all time?

i would look in scheduled tasks and see if anything happens at same time as bsod as it seems you go a few days without a BSOD and then have them again.

i bluescreened yesterday and the day before. one was before I removed the bluetooth/wifi device so i can rule that out. I leave it on all the time, I want to make sure it can stay on idle, so i know it will handle overnight rendering (but maybe this isn't a good idea?).

 

[edgrace]

i guess i'll put the minidump up: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f-hO9Xe4LD1NauO37uy-vUKSImP7PTIz/view?usp=sharing

seems a bit pointless though

 

[Colif]

i guess i'll put the minidump up: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f-hO9Xe4LD1NauO37uy-vUKSImP7PTIz/view?usp=sharing

seems a bit pointless though

try posting on here as well, they might figure it out faster than I am - https://www.elevenforum.com/questions/bsod/
If you do, I can't comment on the thread over there but I will follow it if you show me a link. I would link to this post to save them suggesting things you already tried

 

[edgrace]

try posting on here as well, they might figure it out faster than I am - https://www.elevenforum.com/questions/bsod/
If you do, I can't comment on the thread over there but I will follow it if you show me a link. I would link to this post to save them suggesting things you already tried

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[Vic 40]

Hi, I have been experiencing a lot of bsods after upgrading a few bits of hardware; my GPU, an addition of 32gb of RAM on top of the 16 that was already there, an nvme drive, and a 1000w psu.

I know you have tested the added ram with memtest86, but even memtest can be wrong, my best bet is still this added ram.

 

[edgrace]

I know you have tested the added ram with memtest86, but even memtest can be wrong, my best bet is still this added ram.

I guess I can work on 16 for a bit to see, its a bit of a pain though. Wouldn't prime 95 fail though?

 

[Vic 40]

After taking the 32gb kit out do a clear cmos and enable DOCP after that.