My First Build, is it Good or is it a Bit Much?

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Hello everyone!

I am looking for some honest opinions on my first PC build. The intentions for this PC is to do streaming and YouTube recording and gaming. I do not want to overclock just because I personally do not like to do it. Here is my parts list:

CPU: Intel i7-7700K 4.2 GHz

Motherboard: MSI Z170A Gaming M7 LGA 1151

GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 DirectX 12 GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ATX Video Card

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 220-G2-0750-XR 80+ GOLD 750W Fully Modular EVGA ECO Mode

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) Intel Z170 Platform / Intel X99 Platform Desktop Memory Model F4-2400C15D-16GVR

HDD: WD Black 4TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD4004FZWX

SSD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 250GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-75E250B/AM

CPU Cooler: Cryorig H7

CD Reader: ASUS 24X DVD Burner

Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5

Mouse and Keyboard: Cooler Master Devastator II Bundle

Monitor: LG 25UM56-P 25” Class 21:9 UltraWide IPS Gaming Monitor 5ms 2560 x 1080 5ms GTG 60Hz 5,000,000:1 Contrast Ratio with Black Stabilizer and Dynamic Action Link, SRGB Over 99% and 4-Screen Split

My ultimate question is, is this build a bit much for my first PC? I would love to have a good PC, but I also understand the idea of not going to far with a first build. Also, if possible, I would like to bring the price down some if possible, but I like the high GHz i7 processor for the natural high speed and hyperthreading. Right now the price is $1,797.38 getting the parts through NewEgg. I would love any suggestions that could help me in my decision. Thanks!
 
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madmatt30
The fatality has extra outputs on the rear of the board , meaning you can do 7.1 analog from those ports , the pro 4 does 7.1 but needs the extra 2 outputs from the board header or from the front headphone outputs.
The fatality does have an extra Dolby decoding chip onboard offering 7.1 True HD via optical .
If you don't need those the pro 4 is virtually the same board.

Lime I said the pro 4 is happy to run my ath-m50s with plenty of volume & good definition.

Don't see any issue with the onboard audio at all.
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Which boils down to time frame. Also a very personal thing. Go for the stronger cpu now and forgo the OC for a month or 2,or go with the weaker cpu and OC immediately. Imho, its far easier to add a cooler later if you do decide to upgrade/OC than swap out the cpu if it's not enough to make you happy. Either way, madmatt30 is right on the money about performance differences between either of the Ryzen cpus and the i5. There's more than a few benchmarks that show the Ryzen getting close to double the performance of an i7-7700k in time saved, and that can make a huge difference on large compiles taking ½hr vrs an hour and rendering video to fit YouTube restrictions isn't much different. Ryzen cpus are definitely the way to go over Intel for production apps, and come decently close in gaming, just how much Ryzen you'll want is up to you. Either one is going to be a good thing.
 
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I can't recommend the 212 anymore, it's honestly gotten mediocre in relative performance and it's mounting is quite abysmal. The gammax 400 is a great budget cooler, but many don't like it's mount either. Honestly, none in the budget range compare to the H7, it's offset design puts it much shorter in the case, 145mm, so it fits in almost anything, most other 120mm coolers coming in around 160mm. It's also got a very good mount, very easy to get right, almost comparable to the Noctua (the best). It also out-performs the 212 by quite a large margin for its price, fits any ram etc. The new lumi design is slightly more expensive, but adds another 15% performance increase over the older design, further burying the 212 in obscurity, coming closer to the h5's performance in a smaller package. Unless you go with Noctua (and it's signature tan/brown fans) you'll find it very hard to find any cooler that'll top the Cryorig series in their price/performance brackets.
 
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I am getting such awesome input! Thanks everyone! I guess I am still just having a hard time deciding on CPU. Ultimately for price purposes I think I have to go with the 1600. I would like to bump up to the next one, but I am trying to be strict with the budget. I guess that means I will be overclocking the CPU. I guess I don't have to right away right?
 
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The 1600 performs well at stock mate , comparatively better than the 1700 for straight gaming (as I said it hits higher boost clocks at stock)

I would stick with a good board though mate with overclocking in mind & personally Id stick with the asrock fatality b350 I listed in my first build list.

I own the pro 4 which has the same vrm setup (I would have liked the fatality but wanted a white/black setup) , it has no issue hitting 4.1ghz with my 1700 & that is pretty much ryzens limit anyway .
The fatality is primarily the same but with a few extra Bells & whistles.

Regarding the gammaxx , Ive heard concerns voiced over it using stock Intel push pins & and bracket mountings.
On the one hand it make it an incredibly simple to fit & ultra compatible cooler .
On the other hand I understand the slight concern regarding using it for Intel, the push pin system while clever has never ever been that solid or hardwearing a system.
The amd bracket system though ?? I have no issue with a big tower hanging off that ,it was always a seriously good & incredibly strong mounting system , probably the only thing amd had that was superior until the ryzens.
 
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So would you recommend getting an aftermarket with all of my parts or waiting? I know waiting could be a pain due to mounting. I will have to check out that one, but if anything I know the cryorig is good, just got to figure out the mounting bracket situation
 
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Get what you need to get first. Either cpu will perform great at stock settings, OC is a hobby at this level and generation juncture. If you do decide an aftermarket cooler is a need, and get it with the build and are forced to wait for the correct bracket, no worries, it'll take you that long anyways to do the research on how to OC a Ryzen successfully and correctly, and all the limits etc you'll encounter. OC isn't just flick a switch and it's done. That's software OC and to be avoided at all costs, no matter what the mobo manufacturer claims. So you have time, it's honestly not an issue, settle on a build, build it. Coolers are relatively simple to add later.
 
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Thank you everyone for your awesome answers and advice! I still have a lot to learn about computers but I'm ready to make the plunge! I think I am going to go with the build offered by madmatt30 with the ryzen 5 1600, asrock fatality motherboard, and zotac gpu. The last thing I need to decide on is a capture card. I had another thread for it, but didn't get many answers. If anyone has any input on whether internal or external capture cards are the preferred, I would love the input!
 
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Do you really need a capture card ??

Outside of pro recording most people don't bother now , Youre plainly aware of shadowplay which can stream straight to twitch with minimal performance hit.

For youtube live streaming you'll likely use obs , in which case you can still record using nvenc anyway .
 
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After asking you guys and getting awesome answers I have made a new build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GoodGuessWork/saved/RBBVnQ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
MOBO: AsRock fatal1ty AB350 gaming K4
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16gb DDR4-3000
SSD: Crucial MX300 275GB
HDD: 2x Toshiba 2tb 3.5" 7200 rpm
GPU: Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 8GB mini
Case: Deepcool Kendoman red atx mid tower
PSU: Corsair CX(2017) 550W 80+ bronze
Optical: ASUS DVD/CD Burner
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Monitor: AOC q2778vqe
Keyboard: Redragon K552

Total: $1558.07

I went mainly with recommendations from madmatt30 and included the AOC monitor and AsRock MOBO. I also changed my keyboard off the bundle because I ended up getting a Logitech G Pro mouse so I don't need the bundle. My other mouse disappeared so it was time for a good mouse. I also don't care that the K552 isn't ten key. I am a lefty anyway so I don't really use it even when I have access to it. Does this look like a solid build?
 
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Yep. Although since you have a ATX case, you might want to change up that 1070 for one with multiple fans, costs a few $ extra, but the cooling benefits far outweigh the cost. Those mini's can get a little warm, and it's going to look lost in that case. Something longer/larger would at least say' look at me! I'm The Gpu' rather than trying to hide behind the wiring.

Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini Video Card ($378.79 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($372.16 @ Amazon)

Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($380.89 @ SuperBiiz)
 
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Look at the pictures more closely, look at the length of the pcie slot, the card is barely any longer, but a full size card has twice the length. While the Zotac mini does have 2x fans, they are relatively tiny to fit the casing size, putting out roughly the same amount of air as the single larger fans, but to do so they need to spin quite fast and get somewhat louder than single fan designs as blades on smaller fans are necessarily shorter to allow for motor size.
 
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The zotac rec was based on price to be fair , it was $330 when I put that build together .
Now its closer to $360 its not such a great buy at all.

For $20 more I would take the MSI armor ,

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NJM323/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-video-card-geforce-gtx-1070-armor-8g-oc


you need to keep checking prices especially on gpu's simply because they vary from day to day

The only cards I wouldn't personlly buy are the single fan itx ones.
That zotac is still a hood card though , I used the 970 version with that cooler ages back , irregardless of the 82mm fans it still ran quiet & cool.


Regarding capturing from external sources , not really my forte , everyone aewma to go for the elgato capture 60 HD though which must mean something.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00840353W/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496468307&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=elgato+hd&dpPl=1&dpID=31N8WG6FNAL&ref=plSrch

 
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Do you know if that GPU has multiple colors? May be a silly question but I have a red and black theme going
 
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White & black

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($76.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($126.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($99.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Toshiba - 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Toshiba - 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card ($373.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool - KENDOMEN Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.69 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: AOC - Q2778VQE 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($256.14 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master - Devastator II Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1497.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-03 18:03 EDT-0400
 
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I like this build as well. Between that ASUS GPU and that MSI Armor GPU, which would you say is better? Also, is the pro4 just as good as the fatal1ty or not? I want to make sure I get a longasting mobo
 
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Fatal1ty is iffy, it's like the razer branded cases, or the nvidia cases or even some are amd branded. Fatal1ty was a pro gamer who set all kinds of records and for a while was killing everyone around him in just about any game. So naturally he got endorsement deals, I think it started out with OCZ psus and ram. Now asrock has picked up the moniker. Is it better? Yes, it has some better things like better audio, better video, and a few other odds and ends, but it's still asrock board, no better and no worse than the slightly downgraded pro4. It's just got a name is really all you pay extra for. If the extras are something you don't really need/use then they become wasted money.
If you are looking for a decision, that's on you. Look up the stats on the pro4 and compare it to the stats on the fatal1ty, then compare that to your build and think about anything you might add to the build in the future. Things like a 5:1 surround on the pro4 vrs a 8:1 on the fatal1ty, when all you need is someplace to plug in a cheap pair of headphones. I'd not pay extra for that, not worth it to me, I run my surround through my Onkyo. Upgraded video. I could care less if the fatal1ty has hdmi output and the pro4 doesn't, I'm using a dedicated gpu anyways. Things of that nature. It's just a measure of pros vrs cons, what you need vrs what you can live without.

As far as Asus vrs MSI, that's rough. I'm an Asus fan, have been for many years, they've never let me down. For more than a few years, MSI was putting out some real junk. Thankfully, they picked up the ball and ran hard with it, and for gpus they've been at the top, the MSI gtx970 was untouchable in overall performance. They still end up #1-#3 in any race. The Asus holds a slight edge in both base and boost clocks, but any simple OC can change that. So it really boils down to looks, just which do you think will look better on the pro4, the stark white Asus standing out or the more black MSI with its white highlights. Personal preference.
 
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As Karadjgne said (apart from I wouldn't consider fatality series 'iffy' ) on a pure quality & performance level there is no difference between the fatality & pro 4 - the fatality has annuograded true audio HD audio chipset , optical audio out & an extra rgb lighting header.
It looks nicer (if you want red & black obviously) & has a lot more distinctly coloured heatsinks & board parts.
The 1 boards are virtually the same price where I am in the uk , I still think on a budget level the pro 4 is the best white / black price to quality board there is.

Gpu's - virtually no difference , I prefer the looks of the Asus , the MSI has a steel backplate though ,the Asus doesn't.

To further complicate things the zotac is back to $334.
Even taking into consideration its going to run slightly hotter & slightly noisier than those 2 cards its $40 less & that is a big big saving in my book.

Me personally if budget was a priority , I'd have no issue at all with the pro 4 paired with the zotac mini.
 
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I meant iffy as in its a lot more about the name than it is the board. ASR could have labeled it a 'pro6' and that would have been about accurate for the upgraded parts it has, but it's labeled 'Fatal1ty' like it's something extraordinary, when really it not. Just like nzxt (I think it was a standard H440 case) stuck a Razer Edition symbol on the side of the case, changed the leds to green, and jacked up the price $30. Didn't make it anything special, just 'branded'. You get quite a bit more on an ASR extreme6 than the Fatal1ty, but prices can be somewhat close at times, but the Fatal1ty really isn't any better a board than the pro4. It's just got a couple more gimmicks.
 
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For me, whole budget is important, I want to make sure that I am making a computer that won't crap out on me. I'm back and forth on the MOBO, but the boosted audio on the fatal1ty may be better for me because I don't have an audio card. For GPU, I think I am either going to go with either the Asus or msi. The Zotac is nice, but I think I will like how the bigger card looks in my case. That being said, still can't decide which one I want.
 
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Well if you go with the fatality the fully white Asus dual will look odd IMO on a red/black board.

The MSI will still look OK.

If you went with the pro 4 I'd go with the Asus dual because I personally think its a slightly better card.

Onboard audio for me is a non issue as I'm using the nvidia onboard audio via HDMI to my av setup.

The only reason I see the fatality audio being worth the extra is if using an analog 7.1 speaker set or you need optical out.

My ath-m50x headphones work absolutely perfectly on the pro 4.
 
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Doesn't the b350 Fatal1ty K4 use an ACL892 audio?
Bcs the Pro4 to my knowledge uses the same

It's only the X370 / Z-series(Intel) boards where the Fatal1ty & Pro really differ.
But I might be wrong there.

Edit: checked on AsRock's homepage, both B350 boards use a 7.1 ACL892
Not worth the price difference imo.
The Fatal1ty - in theory - should use higher grade materials and is accommodated with lots of praises (they are really good boards), however I've barely seen anyone having issues with the pro series as well.
 
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