My Gaming PC

[Nacho Quera]

I am building a new gaming PC and I was wondering what do you think about this Pc. Also I want to know how it will develop in the newest games. Feel free to give any recomendations.

Specs:

-i5 4670k
-EVGA 770 ACX SuperClocked
-Kingston Digital SSDNow V300 120 GB
-1 TB WD Blue
-MSI ATX LGA 1150 Z87-G41 PC MATE
-Kingston HyperX 8 GB 1600 MHz
-EVGA SuperNOVA 650G1 650W ATX12V
-NZXT ca-ph410-g1 Phantom 410 Mid Tower
-Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

 

[GetOwnedGaming]

Get a Z97 and an I5-4690K

 

[IInuyasha74]

If you have it in your budget, you definitely want to get the i5-4690k instead. They are pretty much the same, but the 4690k has better cooling inside of the CPU so it won't get as hot and will let you overclock better.

As for the Z97 board, its better to get mostly cause it is newer and will have an extra few features. It isn't a big concern though, the Z87 will work fine for you already.

 

[zeyuanfu]

You could drop the 770 and the SSD and get a 780 instead.

 

[IInuyasha74]

You could drop the 770 and the SSD and get a 780 instead.

I would not drop the SSD. SSDs greatly increase boot speed, the speed of windows and pretty much every program you have on it. Games benefit greatly from it.

As for the graphics card, if you do change it get an AMD R9 290 instead. Its faster than the Nvidia 770 and Nvidia 780, while costing less than the Nvidia 780.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161459

 

[GetOwnedGaming]

You do need a z97 for that 4690k... If you want the 4690k it only works with a z97 board

 

[zeyuanfu]

You could drop the 770 and the SSD and get a 780 instead.

I would not drop the SSD. SSDs greatly increase boot speed, the speed of windows and pretty much every program you have on it. Games benefit greatly from it.

As for the graphics card, if you do change it get an AMD R9 290 instead. Its faster than the Nvidia 770 and Nvidia 780, while costing less than the Nvidia 780.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161459

If SSDs don't really improve gaming performance, there's no reason to get them other than the improved loading times.

 

[IInuyasha74]

You do need a z97 for that 4690k... If you want the 4690k it only works with a z97 board

Wrong!
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2214695/4690k-pair-z87-motherboards.html

A different thread where someone asked just that as an example. While it is possible that a Z87 motherboard doesn't support the 4690k if it hasn't had a BIOS update almost all of them got an update to support it. The 4690k is still a Haswell CPU, its not Broadwell. Z97 is the chipset for Boardwell, and while Haswell still works in them all Haswell CPUs were designed with the Z87 and other X8x chipsets.

 

[GetOwnedGaming]

I guess I was wrong... I was told by JackNaylorPE that I needed a z97... I think it was him...

 

[IInuyasha74]

You could drop the 770 and the SSD and get a 780 instead.

I would not drop the SSD. SSDs greatly increase boot speed, the speed of windows and pretty much every program you have on it. Games benefit greatly from it.

As for the graphics card, if you do change it get an AMD R9 290 instead. Its faster than the Nvidia 770 and Nvidia 780, while costing less than the Nvidia 780.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161459

If SSDs don't really improve gaming performance, there's no reason to get them other than the improved loading times.

That is the thing though, they do improve gaming performance. Big time. First they make the PC boot faster, all programs load faster. For games like Total War it helps start the game and every time you load a battle or return to the main map. For games that are big and open-world sort of like Skyrim or Watch Dogs loading of parts of the world are done without the notice of the player, but will result in major FPS drops if the storage device isn't fast enough to load all the data before it comes into view of the player.In cases like this, SSDs drastically reduce FPS drops.

 

[zeyuanfu]

Oh... That's what's RAM for, is it?

 

[IInuyasha74]

I guess I was wrong... I was told by JackNaylorPE that I needed a z97... I think it was him...

Whoever it was might of just told you that to be safe, since without the BIOS update the z87 motherboards don't support it by default. Or if you had asked him about a specific motherboard it might of just not had support at that time or ever got support. You never know what motherboard companies will do, they are kinda crazy at times.

 

[IInuyasha74]

Oh... That's what's RAM for, is it?

Similar but different. The RAM holds the data needed by the CPU or GPU until it is no longer needed, but computers don't think like people do. For example you might have 32GB of RAM, and a game that is only 8GB counting everything. First, it will need to decompress the textures and other parts of the game, that might well double the size of the game to being 16GB.
Now to us, it makes sense to think the RAM can hold all of these files so lets go ahead and load every file up or half of the files up into the RAM so we don't have to worry about the HDD/SSD anymore, cause that makes sense. Computers don't do this however. When you start a game, it goes and grabs only very specific files and pulls them into RAM, and it doesn't load the rest of the game. It only grabs files on a need bases, so only when you trigger things in the game that tell it to load this town or this building, otherwise it doesn't bother.
On top of that, if it did go ahead and pull everything in and decompress and have it ready to go, the game would start extremely slow. A game like Total War might well expand into over 40GB! The CPU needs to work fast to decompress it which takes quite a bit of time, and the storage device would take a long time to just load it up (think how long it will take to transfer 20GB from your HDD to another one?). It would take at least 5 minutes to start a game like this, limited by the speed of the storage device or the CPU if the CPU isn't fast enough. So it just doesn't quite work to try and load everything at once.

This is why people like me who use programs to actively monitor the amount of RAM inside of my system being used while playing games typically never see more RAM being used than about 6 or 7GB at most, despite having 16GB total in the system.

 

[zeyuanfu]

Oh... That's what's RAM for, is it?

Similar but different. The RAM holds the data needed by the CPU or GPU until it is no longer needed, but computers don't think like people do. For example you might have 32GB of RAM, and a game that is only 8GB counting everything. First, it will need to decompress the textures and other parts of the game, that might well double the size of the game to being 16GB.
Now to us, it makes sense to think the RAM can hold all of these files so lets go ahead and load every file up or half of the files up into the RAM so we don't have to worry about the HDD/SSD anymore, cause that makes sense. Computers don't do this however. When you start a game, it goes and grabs only very specific files and pulls them into RAM, and it doesn't load the rest of the game. It only grabs files on a need bases, so only when you trigger things in the game that tell it to load this town or this building, otherwise it doesn't bother.
On top of that, if it did go ahead and pull everything in and decompress and have it ready to go, the game would start extremely slow. A game like Total War might well expand into over 40GB! The CPU needs to work fast to decompress it which takes quite a bit of time, and the storage device would take a long time to just load it up (think how long it will take to transfer 20GB from your HDD to another one?). It would take at least 5 minutes to start a game like this, limited by the speed of the storage device or the CPU if the CPU isn't fast enough. So it just doesn't quite work to try and load everything at once.

This is why people like me who use programs to actively monitor the amount of RAM inside of my system being used while playing games typically never see more RAM being used than about 6 or 7GB at most, despite having 16GB total in the system.

Oh... That's why I'm not a TH Memory Expert nor a Storage Expert

 

[IInuyasha74]

Haha maybe not yet zeyuanfu, but maybe one day you will be
On a tighter budget you would be right to toss out the SSD as it is easily the most expendable part, but once you start getting into Core i5 level CPUs and R7 265/GTX 660 level of performance they make for a nice upgrade.