Question My RX 6600 XT is giving me 10-30% less FPS compared to my friends RTX 2060S ?

[Vendetta975]

My RX 6600 XT is getting 10-30% less fps compared to my friends RTX2060S, and as far as I know my card should be performing better than the RTX card. In Apex Legends I am getting around 140-210 FPS on all low settings compared to my friends 250-300 FPS, and in Valorant I am getting around 180-300 FPS compared to my friend's 300 average. My FPS also falls short in other games.

PC Specs
MotherBoard: Gigabyte B760M D3HP
CPU: I5-12400F
GPU: RX 6600 XT
RAM-I have 2 different brand sticks, one Transcend 3200mhz and one Kingston 2666mhz.
Neither of them support XMP. and yes I have them in dual channel.
SSD-Patriot P300 NVMe 512GB
PSU-DeepCool DN500 500w

I was expecting way better performance with this GPU and I am kind of disappointed 🙁

 

[rgd1101]

and your friend have the same exact spec except the gpu?

 

[Vendetta975]

and your friend have the same exact spec except the gpu?

No, his specs are a bit different.He has H610 Motherboard and CL22 3200mhz RAM, also 600w psu and same ssd but 1TB. Although my pc should not be underperforming this bad even Though other specs are a bit worse.

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

RAM-I have 2 different brand rams, one transcend and one kingston. Kingston(2666mhz) Transcend(3200mhz) none of these support xmp. and yes I have them in dual channel.
This is where you're losing out on performance from your build, you should be on a dual channel, tight latencied DDR4-3200MHz ram kit, instead of mixing and matching(which is the same as working with two different sized tires on your car). You didn't even mention your ram capacity.

MotherBoard-B760M D3HP
What BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?

PSU-DeepCool DN500 500w
Horrible unit, replace immediately.

I was expecting way better performance with this card and I am kind of disappointed
Sort out what I've mentioned above, then use DDU to remove all GPU drivers(Intel, Nvidia and AMD) in Safe Mode, then manually install the latest GPU driver sourced from AMD's support site in an elevated command and you should be in better waters.

 

[Vendetta975]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

RAM-I have 2 different brand rams, one transcend and one kingston. Kingston(2666mhz) Transcend(3200mhz) none of these support xmp. and yes I have them in dual channel.
This is where you're losing out on performance from your build, you should be on a dual channel, tight latencied DDR4-3200MHz ram kit, instead of mixing and matching(which is the same as working with two different sized tires on your car). You didn't even mention your am capacity.

MotherBoard-B760M D3HP
What BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?

PSU-DeepCool DN500 500w
Horrible unit, replace immediately.

I was expecting way better performance with this card and I am kind of disappointed
Sort out what I've mentioned above, then use DDU to remove all GPU drivers(Intel, Nvidia and AMD) in Safe Mode, then manually install the latest GPU driver sourced from AMD's support site in an elevated command and you should be in better waters.

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

RAM-I have 2 different brand rams, one transcend and one kingston. Kingston(2666mhz) Transcend(3200mhz) none of these support xmp. and yes I have them in dual channel.
This is where you're losing out on performance from your build, you should be on a dual channel, tight latencied DDR4-3200MHz ram kit, instead of mixing and matching(which is the same as working with two different sized tires on your car). You didn't even mention your am capacity.

MotherBoard-B760M D3HP
What BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?

PSU-DeepCool DN500 500w
Horrible unit, replace immediately.

I was expecting way better performance with this card and I am kind of disappointed
Sort out what I've mentioned above, then use DDU to remove all GPU drivers(Intel, Nvidia and AMD) in Safe Mode, then manually install the latest GPU driver sourced from AMD's support site in an elevated command and you should be in better waters.

Thank you for the help sir!

 

[Aeacus]

Then your buddy has better CPU than you do, which is enough to offset slightly weaker GPU compared to yours.

E.g build comparison;
Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison

Baseline Bench: Game 108%, Desk 104%, Work 102%
CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F
GPU: AMD RX 6600-XT
SSD: Samsung 990 Pro M.2 2TB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 C16 2x8GB

Alternative Bench: Game 125%, Desk 121%, Work 138%
CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2060S (Super)
SSD: Samsung 990 Pro M.2 2TB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 C16 2x8GB

Baseline is essentially your build, except different (better) SSD and RAM.
Alternative build is with better CPU (which can work on H610 chipset MoBo), a bit weaker GPU but same SSD and RAM. Despite that, build as a whole, is better than yours is. Hence the diff.

And yes, your PSU is bad one.
Better to get Seasonic Focus/Vertex/PRIME, Corsair RMx/RMi/HXi/AXi or Super Flower Leadex Gold/Platinum/Titanium.

 

[Joseph_138]

My RX6600XT is getting 10-30% less fps compared to my friends RTX2060s, and as far as I know my card should be performing better than the RTX card. In apex legends I am getting around 140-210 fps on all low settings compared to my friends 250-300 fps. in Valorant I am getting around 180-300 in game compared to my friends 300 average. as well as in other games my fps falls short.

FULL PC SPECS:
CPU- I5 12400F
GPU- RX6600XT
RAM-I have 2 different brand rams, one transcend and one kingston. Kingston(2666mhz) Transcend(3200mhz) none of these support xmp. and yes I have them in dual channel.
PSU-DeepCool DN500 500w
MotherBoard-B760M D3HP
NVM-e SSD-Patriot P300 512GB

I was expecting way better performance with this card and I am kind of disappointed 🙁

Esports titles are often more CPU dependent than GPU dependent.

 

[Vendetta975]

Esports titles are often more CPU dependent than GPU dependent.

We have the same cpu

 

[Aeacus]

We have the same cpu

Then, bloatware can make a diff. Malware too.

Also, there's the fact that some games are more optimized to run on Radeon GPUs and others on Nvidia GPUs.
Usually, Radeon GPUs has it worse off, by having optimization to far less games than Nvidia GPU.

All that combined, can very well make the diff.

Oh, silicone lottery too is a thing. Especially when it comes to OC.
Heck, OC alone (CPU and GPU) can make quite a diff. Now, i5-12400F doesn't have unlocked multiplier. But one can still make all cores run at full turbo at all times, thus giving an edge (with a cost of higher power consumption and far higher temperatures, while reducing CPU lifespan).

All-in-all, don't compare your system with others. Be happy with what you have. If you want more FPS, buy better CPU and GPU.

Btw, what's your monitor refresh rate?

 

[Vendetta975]

Then, bloatware can make a diff. Malware too.

Also, there's the fact that some games are more optimized to run on Radeon GPUs and others on Nvidia GPUs.
Usually, Radeon GPUs has it worse off, by having optimization to far less games than Nvidia GPU.

All that combined, can very well make the diff.

Oh, silicone lottery too is a thing. Especially when it comes to OC.
Heck, OC alone (CPU and GPU) can make quite a diff. Now, i5-12400F doesn't have unlocked multiplier. But one can still make all cores run at full turbo at all times, thus giving an edge (with a cost of higher power consumption and far higher temperatures, while reducing CPU lifespan).

All-in-all, don't compare your system with others. Be happy with what you have. If you want more FPS, buy better CPU and GPU.

Btw, what's your monitor refresh rate?

165 hz, I am not concerned about the fps I just expected a lot more performance from this build and judging from youtube benchmarks with the same build it should perform a lot better.

 

[Aeacus]

and judging from youtube benchmarks with the same build it should perform a lot better.

You can contact that YT video uploader and ask how they got that FPS with that kind of hardware.

165 hz

So, anything above 165 FPS is wasted, since you're not going to see those frames regardless.

E.g i have 144 Hz monitor and i'm good with FPS anywhere 60-144. I can manage ~40 FPS as well.
FPS any higher than monitor refresh rate is waste of CPU and GPU performance. Better cap the FPS at monitor refresh rate and don't let the CPU/GPU to utilize fully, wasting electricity and generating more heat than needed. Also, it would help in terms of component lifespan.

 

[Vendetta975]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

RAM-I have 2 different brand rams, one transcend and one kingston. Kingston(2666mhz) Transcend(3200mhz) none of these support xmp. and yes I have them in dual channel.
This is where you're losing out on performance from your build, you should be on a dual channel, tight latencied DDR4-3200MHz ram kit, instead of mixing and matching(which is the same as working with two different sized tires on your car). You didn't even mention your am capacity.

MotherBoard-B760M D3HP
What BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?

PSU-DeepCool DN500 500w
Horrible unit, replace immediately.

I was expecting way better performance with this card and I am kind of disappointed
Sort out what I've mentioned above, then use DDU to remove all GPU drivers(Intel, Nvidia and AMD) in Safe Mode, then manually install the latest GPU driver sourced from AMD's support site in an elevated command and you should be in better waters.

Is this a good psu to buy or should I check out something else.

Thermaltake Toughpower GX2 80+ Gold 600W SLI/Crossfire Ready Continuous Power ATX 12V V2.4/EPS V2.92 Non Modular Power Supply 5 Year Warranty PS-TPD-0600NNFAGU-2 https://a.co/d/0tCgW3d

 

[Aeacus]

Thermaltake Toughpower GX2

Low quality PSU, borderline crap quality. Only slightly better than your Deepcool unit, which is crap quality.

As i said above;

Better to get Seasonic Focus/Vertex/PRIME, Corsair RMx/RMi/HXi/AXi or Super Flower Leadex Gold/Platinum/Titanium.

All of them are either good or great quality PSUs.
Pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/7y4BD3,76vdnQ,JPMMnQ/

Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.
Hence why NEVER cheap out on PSU! Also, never buy used PSU either.

So, if you want cheap and good PSU, you have to buy 2x PSUs: the cheap one and the good one.
You already have cheap one. Do you want your 2nd PSU to be cheap one too? Or are you going with good one 2nd time around?

For other options regarding PSUs,
further reading: https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/2/

550W unit is enough for your build, but 650W or 750W unit won't hurt either.

5 Year Warranty

PSU reliability can be seen from the warranty length it has been given.
In a nutshell:
up to 2 years - terrible reliability
3 years - poor reliability (e.g Corsair VS/CS)
5 years - mediocre reliability (e.g Be Quiet! Straight Power 11, Seasonic G12, Corsair CX/CXF)
7 years - good reliability (e.g Seasonic Core/Focus GM, Corsair TX/AX)
10 years - great reliability (e.g Seasonic Focus GX/PX, Corsair RMx/HX/HXi/AXi)
12 years - superb reliability (e.g Seasonic Vertex/PRIME)

So, aim for a 10 year warranty PSU. 7 year warranty would be bare minimum.

 

[Vendetta975]

Low quality PSU, borderline crap quality. Only slightly better than your Deepcool unit, which is crap quality.

As i said above;

All of them are either good or great quality PSUs.
Pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/7y4BD3,76vdnQ,JPMMnQ/

Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.
Hence why NEVER cheap out on PSU! Also, never buy used PSU either.

So, if you want cheap and good PSU, you have to buy 2x PSUs: the cheap one and the good one.
You already have cheap one. Do you want your 2nd PSU to be cheap one too? Or are you going with good one 2nd time around?

For other options regarding PSUs,
further reading: https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/2/

550W unit is enough for your build, but 650W or 750W unit won't hurt either.


PSU reliability can be seen from the warranty length it has been given.
In a nutshell:
up to 2 years - terrible reliability
3 years - poor reliability (e.g Corsair VS/CS)
5 years - mediocre reliability (e.g Be Quiet! Straight Power 11, Seasonic G12, Corsair CX/CXF)
7 years - good reliability (e.g Seasonic Core/Focus GM, Corsair TX/AX)
10 years - great reliability (e.g Seasonic Focus GX/PX, Corsair RMx/HX/HXi/AXi)
12 years - superb reliability (e.g Seasonic Vertex/PRIME)

So, aim for a 10 year warranty PSU. 7 year warranty would be bare minimum.

So power supply can reduce performance on such high level? And if so then does it cause any other kind of problems to the build?

 

[QyInvoLing]

So power supply can reduce performance on such high level? And if so then does it cause any other kind of problems to the build?

No, it won't. If your PSU is a bottleneck, you'll come into a blackout when stressing your GPU&CPU together.
The problem comes because you mixed two different rams, which reduces the frequency of both ram, as you couldn't enable XMP when the rams are not the same.

 

[Aeacus]

So power supply can reduce performance on such high level?

Yes, it can. High ripple is one such thing. Namely, high ripple causes system instability, especially when CPU/GPU OC is in the play. For OC, you need as tight voltage regulation and as low ripple as possible. Else-ways, OC may not be stable (BSoD, system not booting etc).

And if so then does it cause any other kind of problems to the build?

When PSU blows up and releases magical smoke, PSU has the magical ability to fry everything they are connected to (aka your whole PC).

The lower the PSU's build quality - the higher of a chance of PSU killing other components.

You have crap quality PSU. It killing other hardware when it blows up - is essentially given.
I've even seen mediocre quality PSUs to kill GPUs or MoBos. And not rarely, but commonly.
Good quality PSU killing hardware is rare. I think i've seen it one or twice in the past ~30 years.
Great quality PSUs i have never seen killing other hardware.

Hence why i, personally, am running great quality PSUs myself (Seasonic PRIME TX-650).

I said it before and i'll say it again:

Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.

Your call if you want to risk killing other hardware, while cheaping out on a PSU.

A bit of math;
Tt GX2 - 65 bucks
Seasonic Vertex-750 - 130 bucks
Diff: 65 bucks.

When Tt GX2 fries your GPU or MoBo or CPU or RAM or all of it, can you get everything replaced with only 65 bucks? While also buying new PSU too? I don't think so.

Btw, Vertex is between good and great quality. Comes with 12 years warranty and 2nd best Seasonic you can get (best being PRIME series).

No, it won't. If your PSU is a bottleneck, you'll come into a blackout when stressing your GPU&CPU together.

You clearly doesn't know what PSU is. Have you ever seen one?

 

[QyInvoLing]

Yes, it can. High ripple is one such thing. Namely, high ripple causes system instability, especially when CPU/GPU OC is in the play. For OC, you need as tight voltage regulation and as low ripple as possible. Else-ways, OC may not be stable (BSoD, system not booting etc).


When PSU blows up and releases magical smoke, PSU has the magical ability to fry everything they are connected to (aka your whole PC).

The lower the PSU's build quality - the higher of a chance of PSU killing other components.

You have crap quality PSU. It killing other hardware when it blows up - is essentially given.
I've even seen mediocre quality PSUs to kill GPUs or MoBos. And not rarely, but commonly.
Good quality PSU killing hardware is rare. I think i've seen it one or twice in the past ~30 years.
Great quality PSUs i have never seen killing other hardware.

Hence why i, personally, am running great quality PSUs myself (Seasonic PRIME TX-650).

I said it before and i'll say it again:


Your call if you want to risk killing other hardware, while cheaping out on a PSU.

A bit of math;
Tt GX2 - 65 bucks
Seasonic Vertex-750 - 130 bucks
Diff: 65 bucks.

When Tt GX2 fries your GPU or MoBo or CPU or RAM or all of it, can you get everything replaced with only 65 bucks? While also buying new PSU too? I don't think so.

Btw, Vertex is between good and great quality. Comes with 12 years warranty and 2nd best Seasonic you can get (best being PRIME series).


You clearly doesn't know what PSU is. Have you ever seen one?

Great, it's the first time that I got blamed by another, saying "Have you ever seen one PSU". Have you ever compared different PSU's topology design (for example, TTFC, FB-LLC, HB-LLC), or the primary capacitor?

I've already known and seen a lot of tragedies of trash PSU blowing the whole platform up or ripples kill SSD, and the poster's PSU is not a good(to be honest, it's bad) one, but it's not influencing the poster's frame rate. If the poster said his PC frequently shuts down or get stuck, then I'll suspect PSU.

Besides the frame rate drop problem, replacing this PSU for extra stability is recommended.

 

[JayGau]

Yes, it can. High ripple is one such thing. Namely, high ripple causes system instability, especially when CPU/GPU OC is in the play. For OC, you need as tight voltage regulation and as low ripple as possible. Else-ways, OC may not be stable (BSoD, system not booting etc).


You clearly doesn't know what PSU is. Have you ever seen one?

He said the exact same thing as you. Why the condescendance? A bad PSU won't affect performance. Yes it can cause instability and even fry your hardware, but it can't cripple your frame rate.

 

[Vendetta975]

No, it won't. If your PSU is a bottleneck, you'll come into a blackout when stressing your GPU&CPU together.
The problem comes because you mixed two different rams, which reduces the frequency of both ram, as you couldn't enable XMP when the rams are not the same.

I still cant wrap my head around the amount of performance loss that comes with mixing ram sticks😀 What should I expect when I switch out my RAM? (I am currently looking at Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x16 3200mhz)

 

[VizzieTheViz]

I still cant wrap my head around the amount of performance loss that comes with mixing ram sticks😀 What should I expect when I switch out my RAM? (I am currently looking at Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x16 3200mhz)

I wouldn’t expect too much to be honest, nothing in the double digits certainly.

Maybe ask your friend to borrow his ram kit for some benchmarks to see if it actually makes a noticeable difference before you buy a new kit?

Mixing ram sticks could be a cause of some performance degradation or instability but it’s very unlikely that fixing that will give you the 20 or 30% more performance you feel your build should have.

Either you’re initial assumption of how the build would perform is just off or the games you play aren’t optimized for your GPU or there’s some software shenanigans going on.

You won’t get 20+% more performance from new ram (or a new psu for that matter, though investing in a decent one is always a good idea).

 

[QyInvoLing]

I still cant wrap my head around the amount of performance loss that comes with mixing ram sticks😀 What should I expect when I switch out my RAM? (I am currently looking at Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x16 3200mhz)

Borrow your friend's mem sticks first, and check if the mem is the bottleneck. 3200c16 for your CPU is fine, test your friend's mem suit before buying it.
I found that you mentioned Valorant, it's an I/O bottleneck game, so it's all the mem to blame when playing Valorant. I guess you'll get a 10% frame rate spring up after borrowing your friend's mem and enable XMP.

 

[QyInvoLing]

Oh I remembered that I used 12490f+3200c16 to play valorant last year, it still sucks in extremely fierce combat.
Tthe frame rate will drop to 150-180 sometimes during 5v5 deathmatch when all 10 players are gathered in a small area(I don't know how it's called in English).

 

[Moonstick2]

Throwing this out there and it very probably is the RAM, but have you also used GPU-Z to check that your graphics card is running in the correct PCIe mode? Sometimes people find they're e.g. running in x1 or x2 mode instead of (in your case) x8 due to poor seating of the card.

 

[Vendetta975]

Throwing this out there and it very probably is the RAM, but have you also used GPU-Z to check that your graphics card is running in the correct PCIe mode? Sometimes people find they're e.g. running in x1 or x2 mode instead of (in your case) x8 due to poor seating of the card.

Yea in the Bus Interface it is running at PCIe 4.0 x8. Could there be something wrong in the settings for the cpu?

 

[QyInvoLing]

Yea in the Bus Interface it is running at PCIe 4.0 x8

It's normal and won't hurt your PC's performance