[SOLVED] My very first selfmade-build, Need criticism/advice

[lacerslove]

My custom build list

GPU - Nvidia RTX 2070s (super)
CPU - Intel Core i7-9700k
RAM - G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 3200 2x16 GB
HDD - Seagate Barracude 1TB (2016)
SSD - Intel 660- NVMe PCIe M.2
CPU COOLER - Open to suggestion! Have not settled on any
CPU CASE - Open to suggestion! Considering Coolermaster hp500 or hp500m

My maximum grand total has to be under 2,000 (1500 was the goal but 2000 is the limit) and that's including tax. I've been saving every dime and penny while scraping by for the last 6 years and this is my reward to myself to hopefully last me another 5+ years. As I really don't have a lot of money to correct errors, I would really appreciate any advice on any and all parts of my build. I've already asked all of my friends and tapped out all the research I've been able to do on my own. At this point I'm opening myself up to smarter minds and hoping for confirmation or criticism.

Here's a rough idea of the build on userbenchmark for quick links if that helps.

Please let me know !
https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCBuilder/Custom/S101806-M609597.842105.602553.182068.89324vsS0-M

 

[logainofhades]

Userbenchmark is a trash site, just as an FYI. 2000 in what currency? The 9700k is a bad idea, as it is on a dead platform. Also RTX 3000 is coming in the very near future, from my understanding. Follow this guide, and report back with the answers. Also using PCPP makes it easier to see what you are choosing, and make suggestions.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

 

[lacerslove]

Userbenchmark is a trash site, just as an FYI. 2000 in what currency? The 9700k is a bad idea, as it is on a dead platform. Also RTX 3000 is coming in the very near future, from my understanding. Follow this guide, and report back with the answers. Also using PCPP makes it easier to see what you are choosing, and make suggestions.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Alright found all the parts on the site and hopefully this gives you a better picture
The motherboard/ram/CPU I all picked out were 9th gen because the virtual benches on userbenchmark were higher for the price totals.
(I hear you say that it's bad and will take your advice, but would really love a similiarly priced alternative)

Here's the pc part link I believe you were asking for
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vmq6k6

 

[punkncat]

Userbenchmark is a trash site

Absolutely unfair to say that. The benchmark tool is actually quite handy as a "way up from orbit" tool to have people convey information both about their system and how it's currently performing in one quick and easy format. There are FAR FAR worse places...Verge, cough, stinks, hack, cough...😉

 

[madmatt30]

I think the 3700x is a better proposition if you're expecting to get more future proofing out of it personally.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: SilentiumPC Fortis 3 RGB HE1425 CPU Cooler ($54.43 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($55.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.59 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($549.99 @ Walmart)
Case: Lian Li Lancool II Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($102.38 @ Amazon)
Total: $1478.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-24 08:30 EDT-0400

 

[John Chesterfield]

Easily take the 3700x over that 9700k, 8 threads for the price ain't worth it.

 

[logainofhades]

I am inclined to also say Ryzen is a better choice, since you want to keep this long term. This should still be below $2k, after tax. I still recommend holding off, though. Not only is RTX 3000 coming, Ryzen 4th gen is still slated, for this year, as well.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($48.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($159.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($739.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($102.38 @ Amazon)
Total: $1749.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-24 09:13 EDT-0400

 

[logainofhades]

Absolutely unfair to say that. The benchmark tool is actually quite handy as a "way up from orbit" tool to have people convey information both about their system and how it's currently performing in one quick and easy format. There are FAR FAR worse places...Verge, cough, stinks, hack, cough...😉

Their comparisons are trash. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/userbenchmark-benchmark-change-criticism-amd-intel,40032.html

 

[Deleted member 14196]

Yeah, I would get the 3700X any day. It's amazing.

 

[lacerslove]

Okay I took everyone's advice into consideration and switched the processor/mbo/ram over to fit your 3700x recommendation.
Build still comes out under budget which is great.

I changed the MBO ram and CPU over to AMD
Here's the PC part picker list:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vTjjwh

If I've messed anything up and put something incapatible that's my biggest concern.
Please let me know what you think of the updated project! You help so far has been really really appreciated.

 

[logainofhades]

The AIO is unnecessary, for a 3700x. Yea, I have one, but it was reused, from my previous 6700k. Unless you have to buy now, I would wait.

 

[lacerslove]

The AIO is unnecessary, for a 3700x. Yea, I have one, but it was reused, from my previous 6700k. Unless you have to buy now, I would wait.

My PC is bluescreening/crashing/freezing 6-8 times per day and I do graphic design, video editing, media, and heavy gaming for many hours a day.
Rigorously took it apart, cleaned, and re-thermal pasted, even reinstalled windows and have tried several other fixes. Seems to just be incredibly worn out.

As much as I would love to be able to wait another 3-4 months for a new processor to come out, that would mean going several months without a PC which isn't an option for my lifestyle at all.

 

[madmatt30]

Okay I took everyone's advice into consideration and switched the processor/mbo/ram over to fit your 3700x recommendation.
Build still comes out under budget which is great.

I changed the MBO ram and CPU over to AMD
Here's the PC part picker list:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vTjjwh

If I've messed anything up and put something incapatible that's my biggest concern.
Please let me know what you think of the updated project! You help so far has been really really appreciated.

Its a solid build.
Not a fan of aio's personally but at least its a decent one.

 

[King_V]

Maybe take a step back, I haven't seen anything about a monitor in this thread.

Do you have an existing monitor? If so, what is the resolution and refresh rate? And, does it have FreeSync, GSync, or neither?

Are you going for maximum frame rates at low detail? Cranking up the details at a higher resolution, but sticking with moderate frame rates? What games are you looking to play? etc etc.

 

[lacerslove]

Maybe take a step back, I haven't seen anything about a monitor in this thread.

Do you have an existing monitor? If so, what is the resolution and refresh rate? And, does it have FreeSync, GSync, or neither?

Are you going for maximum frame rates at low detail? Cranking up the details at a higher resolution, but sticking with moderate frame rates? What games are you looking to play? etc etc.

I currently have a lg 120hz 1440p ultrawide, a large 55" 1080p samsung TV monitor for movie watching, and an old 1080p 32 inch vizio monitor for side projects. Currently running 3 monitors on my current set up. Monitors, Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, and all other peripheral devices like headsets and the like will carry over from my last system. It's just the tower itself that needs replacing.

-I play WoW at a competitive level and would like to be able to maintain 120fps at the highest detail level possible in very high particle density situations with large amounts of players, such as raids and large scale pvp.

-I also play Black Desert Online, which my current setup struggles to play even on the lowest settings due to its cpu demands. The nodewars are crowded with a lot of players to load, the textures are large, and the particle density is insanely demanding on the gpu.

 

[King_V]

3440x1440 you mean? I assume the gaming all happens on that screen, then.
Do you know if it has FreeSync or GSync? If not knowing the exact model number of that monitor would be helpful.


EDIT: generally, though, I have to concur with others. Ryzen is the way to go, as Intel's frame-rate advantage in gaming is mostly at 1080p - glad to see you've switched. Given how soon Nvidia is announcing the 3000 series cards, do you know if your existing GPU is the root of your failures on the current system? If not, can you live with it until the 3000 series is announced? It couldn't hurt to see what happens in the GPU market once the 3000 series comes out... IF your current GPU still works, that is.

I realize that the current GPU will probably hobble your system, but that's only in the short term.

 

[lacerslove]

3440x1440 you mean? I assume the gaming all happens on that screen, then.
Do you know if it has FreeSync or GSync? If not knowing the exact model number of that monitor would be helpful.


EDIT: generally, though, I have to concur with others. Ryzen is the way to go, as Intel's frame-rate advantage in gaming is mostly at 1080p - glad to see you've switched. Given how soon Nvidia is announcing the 3000 series cards, do you know if your existing GPU is the root of your failures on the current system? If not, can you live with it until the 3000 series is announced? It couldn't hurt to see what happens in the GPU market once the 3000 series comes out... IF your current GPU still works, that is.

I realize that the current GPU will probably hobble your system, but that's only in the short term.

Here is the ultrawide 1440 I was referring to I believe. I suppose it's a 1080 afterall. I wasnt able to find the model number on anything i own, only through speccy.
https://www.amazon.com/LG-25UM58-P-25-Inch-21-UltraWide/dp/B01BV1XB2K/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=UltraWide&qid=1598280267&refinements=p_89:LG,p_n_feature_thirteen_browse-bin:17751775011&rnid=17751770011&s=pc&sr=1-4

On second look it appears as though the LG ultrawide is only a 60hz monitor although I'll admit I like to play on the large samsung television from time to time as well.
Upgrading my monitor to a nice 120hz will definitely be on my to do list but I can live with my current monitors, it's my current desktop that's constantly costing me work lost. I don't mind using these monitors with a new setup and getting a better monitor down the line.

 

[lacerslove]

Also for more detail, this is my current setup (dying badly even after refurb)

Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64-bit
CPU
AMD FX-6350
Vishera 32nm Technology
RAM
32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 931MHz (10-11-10-29)
Motherboard
ASRock 970M Pro3 (CPUSocket)
Graphics
NS-50D510NA17 (1842x1036@60Hz)
LG ULTRAWIDE (2560x1080@60Hz)
M260VA (1920x1080@60Hz)
2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (Undefined)

 

[Phaaze88]

32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 931MHz (10-11-10-29)

This. Did you mix ram or did you purchase as a kit?

 

[punkncat]

Their comparisons are trash. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/userbenchmark-benchmark-change-criticism-amd-intel,40032.html

Sure, but its consistent trash and still handy.

edit- for instance you can talk to some users for some time trying to figure out what they are working with and what a possible problem is. They don't know what components are, how to find, etc. you have them link the UBM and then you know what the system is and super handy how much background usage.

 

[lacerslove]

This. Did you mix ram or did you purchase as a kit?

It's a mix of ram that was set up by a IT friend of mine in the army, all are the same card/manufacturer/speed.
Patriot 32GB(4x8GB) Viper III DDR3 1866MHz (PC3 15000) CL10 Desktop Memory with Black Mamba Heatsink - PV316G186C0K

 

[Phaaze88]

It's a mix of ram that was set up by a IT friend of mine in the army, all are the same card/manufacturer/speed.

This could well be your problem - assuming you kept up with driver updates, storage drive health, virus/malware protection, etc...
When you buy kits, they are already tested and certified to work together.
When you mix - even if they have the same specs... guess who's doing the testing and certification? You.
It seemed fine at first, but did you test stability to be sure? The mixed ram may have been throwing errors under your nose if you didn't, and now has become bad enough that it's a frequent nightmare.

 

[King_V]

Here is the ultrawide 1440 I was referring to I believe. I suppose it's a 1080 afterall. I wasnt able to find the model number on anything i own, only through speccy.
https://www.amazon.com/LG-25UM58-P-25-Inch-21-UltraWide/dp/B01BV1XB2K/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=UltraWide&qid=1598280267&refinements=p_89:LG,p_n_feature_thirteen_browse-bin:17751775011&rnid=17751770011&s=pc&sr=1-4

On second look it appears as though the LG ultrawide is only a 60hz monitor although I'll admit I like to play on the large samsung television from time to time as well.
Upgrading my monitor to a nice 120hz will definitely be on my to do list but I can live with my current monitors, it's my current desktop that's constantly costing me work lost. I don't mind using these monitors with a new setup and getting a better monitor down the line.

Ok, so, yeah, if you were going to stick with that monitor, a 2560x1080 that maxes out at 75Hz (it has a FreeSync range of 48-75Hz) would require far less GPU horsepower.

But, if you're looking at a 120Hz or 144Hz down the line (144Hz monitors sometimes seem to be no more, or only slightly more, expensive than their 120Hz even 75Hz equivalents), then it's also a question of what resolution you're going with.

My son's monitor, for example, is 34", but 2560x1080 resolution. The FreeSync range on it is 50-144. Still, at 34", it seems more people think the pixels are too big at 2560x1080 and prefer 3440x1440. I personally disagree, but everyone's eyes are different when it comes to what they find appealing/comfortable.


Here's what I'd suggest: Stick with your current video card for now, using it in the new PC. I think the GPU upgrade should wait until you get the new monitor. Ideally, you'd buy them both at the same time - that way, the faster GPU is actually able to be put to good use, rather than sitting in your system and being limited by the existing LG monitor. By the time you're doing the monitor + GPU upgrade, then most likely, whatever money you would have spent for a GPU today can buy you more GPU horsepower.

 

[lacerslove]

This could well be your problem - assuming you kept up with driver updates, storage drive health, virus/malware protection, etc...
When you buy kits, they are already tested and certified to work together.
When you mix - even if they have the same specs... guess who's doing the testing and certification? You.
It seemed fine at first, but did you test stability to be sure? The mixed ram may have been throwing errors under your nose if you didn't, and now has become bad enough that it's a frequent nightmare.

The sets came in pairs of two since they don't sell sets of four apparently for this type of cl10 240 pin ram.


How would I run 4 sticks without issues?

Ok, so, yeah, if you were going to stick with that monitor, a 2560x1080 that maxes out at 75Hz (it has a FreeSync range of 48-75Hz) would require far less GPU horsepower.

But, if you're looking at a 120Hz or 144Hz down the line (144Hz monitors sometimes seem to be no more, or only slightly more, expensive than their 120Hz even 75Hz equivalents), then it's also a question of what resolution you're going with.

My son's monitor, for example, is 34", but 2560x1080 resolution. The FreeSync range on it is 50-144. Still, at 34", it seems more people think the pixels are too big at 2560x1080 and prefer 3440x1440. I personally disagree, but everyone's eyes are different when it comes to what they find appealing/comfortable.


Here's what I'd suggest: Stick with your current video card for now, using it in the new PC. I think the GPU upgrade should wait until you get the new monitor. Ideally, you'd buy them both at the same time - that way, the faster GPU is actually able to be put to good use, rather than sitting in your system and being limited by the existing LG monitor. By the time you're doing the monitor + GPU upgrade, then most likely, whatever money you would have spent for a GPU today can buy you more GPU horsepower.

The PC has been under heavy use and even the GPU has a lot of wear and tear in it at the moment. it's reaching really high temperatures and I think only a refurbish/cleaning would fix it.

Also, would I be able to run my old GPU in my new GPU builds second slot to run my second and third monitor or anything of the sort?

 

[Phaaze88]

How would I run 4 sticks without issues?

You get an actual 4 stick kit.
If not, you have to test the kits you do mix. As already mentioned, the kits that are packaged and sold as is are already tested and confirmed stable for you.