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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:45:36 -0800
From: "Steve Wieck" <stevew@white-wolf.com>
To: "'Conclave'" <conclave@list.white-wolf.com>
Subject: VEKN Conclave - Draft Policy for Review - 2 Day EC format
Princes,
Last October we reviewed and then approved changing the NAC to a 3 day
format, essentially introducing an extra day to make the Continental
Championship a 2 round event. We are proceeding to use this format at
Gen Con Indy this year and we’ll see how it works.
Speaking further with Gabor and his primogen Tibor in Budapest, it is
clear that a 3 day event will not be possible for EC 2005. Therefore we
must return to a 2 day format for it.
However, rather than go back to the traditional format of Last Chance
Qualifier on day one and a huge Championship on day two, Johannes Walch
and Stephane Lavrut have proposed a solution that still allows the
Championship to have 2 rounds and also for there to be a Last Chance
Qualifier.
The solution seems good to me, but I would like the Princes to examine
it and comment upon it for the next week. We have had many long threads
on the Conclave lately, so please try not to make the discussion become
ongoing debate between two people. Please state your thoughts on the
policy and be done, do not debate or refute other the posts of other
Princes.
As always if you think any players in your local community have strong
feelings about this, ask them and include their thoughts with your own.
------------
Walch-Lavrut Solution (or is that the Lavrut-Walch Solution? hmmm….
The 2005 European Championship (in Budapest) will still be held over 2
days, so its format becomes like this:
On Day 1 there will be played both a special Last Chance Qualifier
(LCQ) and also Round 1 of the Championship at the same time. Players
already qualified in previous Continental Qualifiers play in Round 1 of
the Championship and players not yet Qualified play in the special LCQ.
The top 35 players from Round 1 continue to Round 2 of the
Championship on Day 2. The top 5 (the finalists) of the special LCQ also
continue to Round 2 of the Championship on Day 2.
Those 35+5 = 40 players play in Round 2 and the finals of Round 2
determine the 2005 European Champion.
The exact math depends on the numbers of players in each event, but we
estimate that a player will have 10:6 better odds of reaching Round 2 of
the Championship is they Qualify before the EC and then place in the top
35 versus not qualifying and needing to place in the top 5 of the
special LCQ. Since the caliber of players can be assumed to be higher in
Round 1 of the Championship (where all players were good enough o
qualify) than in the special LCQ, this tends to counter-balance the
10:6 odds.
If any player does not show up for round 2 , then a replacement player
is taken from the same player pool (for example if only 34 of the top
players from the semi-final show up, then the 36th player in the
semi-final is moved into the final. If only 4 of the 5 “Last Chance”
finalists show up then the 6th player from the Last Chance moves up to
the Final). These 40 players go through a normal 3+F tournament to
determine the Continental Champion (while the rest play in the loser
sideline events!).
-------------
Regards,
Steve Wieck
White Wolf
q) whats the scedule for gen con (us europeans need to book flights early)
about the system for the ec. this is not going to work in budapest with
that many players (with a very varying level of skill). the first day
will be a pure seating lottery.
also the whole qualifiying system is moot then. why bother about
qualifiying. in the extreme case 40 previously non qualified players
will play the second round.
a two day event was meant to reduce the amount of luck needed to win the
ec, this system increases the luck needed to win.
if 3 days are not possible then leave the system unchanged.
stefan
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:45:36 -0800
From: "Steve Wieck" <stevew@white-wolf.com>
To: "'Conclave'" <conclave@list.white-wolf.com>
Subject: VEKN Conclave - Draft Policy for Review - 2 Day EC format
Princes,
Last October we reviewed and then approved changing the NAC to a 3 day
format, essentially introducing an extra day to make the Continental
Championship a 2 round event. We are proceeding to use this format at
Gen Con Indy this year and we’ll see how it works.
Speaking further with Gabor and his primogen Tibor in Budapest, it is
clear that a 3 day event will not be possible for EC 2005. Therefore we
must return to a 2 day format for it.
However, rather than go back to the traditional format of Last Chance
Qualifier on day one and a huge Championship on day two, Johannes Walch
and Stephane Lavrut have proposed a solution that still allows the
Championship to have 2 rounds and also for there to be a Last Chance
Qualifier.
The solution seems good to me, but I would like the Princes to examine
it and comment upon it for the next week. We have had many long threads
on the Conclave lately, so please try not to make the discussion become
ongoing debate between two people. Please state your thoughts on the
policy and be done, do not debate or refute other the posts of other
Princes.
As always if you think any players in your local community have strong
feelings about this, ask them and include their thoughts with your own.
------------
Walch-Lavrut Solution (or is that the Lavrut-Walch Solution? hmmm….
The 2005 European Championship (in Budapest) will still be held over 2
days, so its format becomes like this:
On Day 1 there will be played both a special Last Chance Qualifier
(LCQ) and also Round 1 of the Championship at the same time. Players
already qualified in previous Continental Qualifiers play in Round 1 of
the Championship and players not yet Qualified play in the special LCQ.
The top 35 players from Round 1 continue to Round 2 of the
Championship on Day 2. The top 5 (the finalists) of the special LCQ also
continue to Round 2 of the Championship on Day 2.
Those 35+5 = 40 players play in Round 2 and the finals of Round 2
determine the 2005 European Champion.
The exact math depends on the numbers of players in each event, but we
estimate that a player will have 10:6 better odds of reaching Round 2 of
the Championship is they Qualify before the EC and then place in the top
35 versus not qualifying and needing to place in the top 5 of the
special LCQ. Since the caliber of players can be assumed to be higher in
Round 1 of the Championship (where all players were good enough o
qualify) than in the special LCQ, this tends to counter-balance the
10:6 odds.
If any player does not show up for round 2 , then a replacement player
is taken from the same player pool (for example if only 34 of the top
players from the semi-final show up, then the 36th player in the
semi-final is moved into the final. If only 4 of the 5 “Last Chance”
finalists show up then the 6th player from the Last Chance moves up to
the Final). These 40 players go through a normal 3+F tournament to
determine the Continental Champion (while the rest play in the loser
sideline events!).
-------------
Regards,
Steve Wieck
White Wolf
q) whats the scedule for gen con (us europeans need to book flights early)
about the system for the ec. this is not going to work in budapest with
that many players (with a very varying level of skill). the first day
will be a pure seating lottery.
also the whole qualifiying system is moot then. why bother about
qualifiying. in the extreme case 40 previously non qualified players
will play the second round.
a two day event was meant to reduce the amount of luck needed to win the
ec, this system increases the luck needed to win.
if 3 days are not possible then leave the system unchanged.
stefan
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