Need advice for this gaming rig!!!

[Gregmillr]

EITHER:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wdmz OR http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vi9g

This is what I have so far... I'm wondering if there is ANY upgrades, or anything else that can happen in the build without raising the price by much!

I don't know really much about computers at all - keep this in mind.. I play WoW a lot, league, etc.. Wanting to get into games with better graphics such as cod, bf3, crysis, etc..

Thank you!!!

 

[cutebeans]

Also, when you used the 5 egg rating as a gauge in newegg of how good a product is. All your credibility was lost.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031

52% 5 egg rating 182 people gave it 5 eggs.

Yet, this PSU is one of the crappiest built.

Seriously don't use the 5 Egg rating. It's a useless gauge of a product.

and MSI boards are not that good.

 

[Praxeology]

And herein lies the problem. You based your recommendation off of user reviews in which the majority can barely put together a modern PC, let alone analyze motherboard quality at a component level.

Seriously, I have doubts they or you could tell the difference between an iron choke and a ferrite choke.....or that you even know what I'm talking about.

Yes, I too agree that 5 star reviews mean nothing.

-Prax

 

[Praxeology]

Also, when you used the 5 egg rating as a gauge in newegg of how good a product is. All your credibility was lost.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031

52% 5 egg rating 182 people gave it 5 eggs.

Yet, this PSU is one of the crappiest built.

Seriously don't use the 5 Egg rating. It's a useless gauge of a product.

and MSI boards are not that good.

5 Egg ratings are not useless gauges of a product. It is a tool that provides consumers a superficial idea of a product. I already specified the two criteria I look for in a psu, the first being from Corsair/Seasonic, while the second is reviews/pricing. Again with this apparent loss of credibility, I don't get it. Reviews mean things, and so do brands. As far as the cooler-master psu, I wouldn't buy it personally, but it is a roll of the dice. It could work for 5 years, or it might die in a few months, I classify that as a gamble, or roll of the dice, and then recommend a Corsair/Seasonic PSU. And as far as MSI boards not being that good, I disagree, but understand other people like different things.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-express-ivy-bridge-benchmark,3254-34.html

That's an interesting motherboard outlook that definately tells me both motherboards I recommend, the MSI G45/ASRock Extreme4, perform quite well.

The basis of this double-team revolves around taking a generalizing post of mine, arguing an extreme point to counteract my generalization, and then requiring me to specify more clearly with ever more posts on a solved thread. If this is how you make yourselves feel l33t then by all means, I will keep responding instead of reading my biology chapter 27.

-Prax

 

[quilciri]

Quality control could be a better definition of finishing magic, but we can go with a sticker, sure. Argue as you might Seasonic PSU say Seasonic, and XFX PSU say XFX. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. Just as there is a difference between a Corsair PSU(coming from Channel Well) and every other Channel Well rebranded psu.

and now you're changing your story again, glossing over the fact you denied that seasonic built the PSU, then tried to say they only provided components. now you say that seasonic built the whole thing, but xfx provides "quality control"

let me pause.

You just said a Seasonic-built PSU needed XFX quality control.

I think I need a scotch & water to let that gem sink in.

 

[cutebeans]

This picture says it all. No discrimination or anything.

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1368/987251565_22ea2338dd.jpg

 

[Praxeology]

and now you're changing your story again, glossing over the fact you denied that seasonic built the PSU, then tried to say they only provided components. now you say that seasonic built the whole thing, but xfx provides "quality control"

let me pause.

You just said a Seasonic-built PSU needed XFX quality control.

I think I need a scotch & water to let that gem sink in.

My story hasn't changed one bit, you simply keep attacking a general concept from different angles spread out through many posts. That concept is a simple one. PSU brands mean something. There is a difference between a 550w Seasonic psu and a 550w XFX psu. Whether you want to say that difference is magic, quality control, or anything else that goes on behind the scenes that difference exists, and I will only take the Seasonic psu. You can argue that it has exactly the same components all night, and I will still dispute it all night, because there is a difference in the two products end-results.

And I have always known Seasonic made psu for other companies including corsair, and xfx. But there is still a difference between a seasonic branded psu and a rebranded variant. In my initial post, this is an exact quote, " seasonic didn't make the psu, if they did it would say seasonic. There is a difference, regardless of what you say." The second part is my main point/concept, that there is a difference, regardless of what you say, between a seasonic branded psu and some other company. Unless it says seasonic, it isn't going in my systems or my recommendations, period.

And Seasonic is going to make duds, any mass-produced unit will have duds, the question is will xfx ship it or not@ the scotch post. Again you simply try to poke things at convenient angles. The simple facts are Praxeology doesn't recommend any PSU except Seasonic/Corsair because company names mean something. And in this particular post I recommended a 60% 5 star, Corsair PSU at a 40$ point, that over 100 people have bought and enjoyed.

-Prax

 

[quilciri]

My story hasn't changed one bit, you simply keep attacking a general concept from different angles spread out through many posts.

And I have always known Seasonic made psu for other companies including corsair, and xfx.

and yes that corsair psu is better for the price then that xfx, seasonic didn't make the psu, if they did it would say seasonic.

Prax seems more concerned with covering up his own bullshit than making sure you get a good build, greg.

One thing I can't stress enough; don't rely on newegg/pcpartcpicker/what-have-you user reviews when picking components for your build, especially with something as crucial to your system's well being as the PSU (and the motherboard for that matter). Consult reviews from knowledgeable sites such as jonnyguru, anandtech, techpowerup, etc. on the particular model you're considering.

good luck!

 

[Gregmillr]

Would it be a bad idea to swap the gfx card for a http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-ax79503gbd52dhv4
?
I was also told to switch to a psu with lower output, with higher quality, such as Seasonic G 450, Rosewill Capstone 450, etc.

And a different cooler, such as: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118133&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

[quilciri]

A 7950 is a good choice as well. Powecolor tends to cater towards the cheaper end of a given video card model, so the cooler on it probably won't support much overclocking, and it may be a bit loud with a single fan and all, but other than that, you should be fine with it. If you'd like a better stock cooler, however, this one's $15 more

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-fx795atdfc

If you're stepping up to a 7950, I'd recommend a 500w to give you some headroom, 550-600w if you want to overclock, as your system with a 7950 can draw about 400w under full load at stock speeds.

the cooler seems to perform similarly to the CM hyper 212 EVO, but the zalman is quieter due to the 140 mm fan (1350 rpm max).