Question need assistance with pc part choosing for two builds

[sergioalbertocmarin]

hi there, im looking to get an idea or some suggestions in which motherboards to invest the most because my brother and i we are looking to upgrade both our systems to something more newer "future proof" like.

at the moment we both have rtx 4070, ryzen 5600x, and a gigabyte bm550 aorus elite motherboard.

so the goal here is to invest in a good motherboard that will not likely fail out of the box (almost impossible to know so yeah i get this is a bad request)

we have a budget of 2k for :
Motherboard (can be B or X category mobo)
cpu
rams
(cpu cooler maybe a deepcool ak620 digital / lt520 liquid cooler)

we already have an idea of which cpu we want (7800x3d)

so mostly the help we need for is with the motherboard and rams.

thanks for the time

 

[Darkbreeze]

What country are you in?

 

[sergioalbertocmarin]

What country are you in?

El Salvador but the search can be done for US
So Amazon or Newegg works.
But if you also wanna check what we have in my country I'll provide the links directly to the motherboard section at least:

https://www.zonadigitalsv.com/product/family/motherboards-amd

https://aeon.com.sv/shop/category/componentes-motherboard-392

That being said US is better in terms of prices of course, buying locally saves the hassle of RMA Incase something goes wrong but the choices are limited.
So amazon or Newegg are the way to go I would say.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yep, I'm pretty familiar with the problems related to hardware availability in most South American countries. I've helped numerous members who live places down there, mostly like Argentina and Brazil or Mexico though. I don't think ever there's been anybody I helped in El Salvador so that's a first. Right on man.

Unfortunately, and this is pretty common too, PC Partpicker doesn't offer an option for any of the countries south of the US border on this continent. Obviously because the availability is so poor. So pretty much have to use US and you will have to either order or find the equivalent locally if possible.

So, I'm assuming the 2k budget is for both systems and is US currency?

 

[sergioalbertocmarin]

Yep, I'm pretty familiar with the problems related to hardware availability in most South American countries. I've helped numerous members who live places down there, mostly like Argentina and Brazil or Mexico though. I don't think ever there's been anybody I helped in El Salvador so that's a first. Right on man.

Unfortunately, and this is pretty common too, PC Partpicker doesn't offer an option for any of the countries south of the US border on this continent. Obviously because the availability is so poor. So pretty much have to use US and you will have to either order or find the equivalent locally if possible.

So, I'm assuming the 2k budget is for both systems and is US currency?

Yeah 2k for both systems and it is Us currency that's our local currency as well lol, and it's fine to do full us search bringing it over is not a problem just will take time to plan it out with a relative or perhaps if we happen to have the same model locally we'll have to go with that as well even if it cost more .

 

[Darkbreeze]

This would make for a pretty sick setup, with very high quality components, and plenty of cooling performance, without even having to press the budget. If I had 1000 dollars to invest in a new platform and was wanting to go with a Ryzen configuration, this is very likely what I'd do. Keep in mind the use of the X670E chipset gives you future PCIe 5.0 on the x16 graphics card slot so if you upgrade the graphics card later when 5.0 cards become available, you can utilize that as much as possible, but probably more important to a lot of users will be the dual 20Gbps USB and quad M.2. Being X670e instead of X670 you also have 20 PCIe 5.0 lanes out of a total of 44 lanes altogether, rather than only 4 PCIe 5.0 lanes on the X670 boards.

And this board has a very good VRM configuration. It also has BIOS flashback so you can update the BIOS even without a CPU or memory installed, and the very first thing I would do is check the box when you get it or boot immediately into the BIOS to see what BIOS version it came with because there is a brand new release dated on the 3rd of this month that addresses a few long standing issues on X670e including longer than expected boot times, and update right off the bat if it doesn't already have that version installed. Other than that, and regardless of that, this will absolutely get you where you want to go.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($399.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frost Commander 140 BLACK 95.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($43.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $840.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-06 00:52 EST-0500


And if you want to level up even further on the motherboard, which will of course mean spending a little more, you can always jump up a notch to something like the Carbon. But the Tomahawk is a pretty damn good board.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($399.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frost Commander 140 BLACK 95.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($43.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($449.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1010.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-06 01:02 EST-0500


If you want a board as good as either of these from Gigabyte, you are going to pay more for them. And as far as ASUS goes, their customer service is garbage these days regardless that they make good products so I don't even bother recommending them anymore unless I see some kind of outstanding deal that you simply cannot pass up, and I didn't, so I didn't.

The DDR5 6000 CL30 Trident memory has a pretty low 10nS true latency as well, which is really good for a DDR5 kit on 7000 series platforms.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Few questions:

Do you have any problems with your mobo? Are you lacking any IO?

@Darkbreeze explained very well on the perks of X670E. You might want all of those IO and features or not. You definitely pay extra for those features.

The reason i am asking about the mobo is cuz the 5800X3D is still a very relevant CPU for today's AAA games. And DDR5 costs more and is very new. Think of the 6000mhz DDR5 ram kits something like 2133mhz equivalent to DDR4. DDR5 still has a long way to go.

TL;DR unless you absolutely want a new PC, i would advice AM4 users to get the 5800X3D and use the cash on other parts like a new monitor or GPU.

Regarding the above build suggestion, few thoughts:

while the Trident Z neo are one of the best ram kits with RGB, the Frost commander will cover the ram with the front fan. So maybe go for cheaper non RGB model like these?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p9...-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ctced532g6400hc32adc01

Low profile, cheaper and fast SK Hynix A die rams for Ryzen 7800X3D

If you dont want all the IO and features of the X670E, have a look at this cheaper B650E which still supports 1 pcie 5.0 M.2 and the 1st pcie x16 slot in 5.0 mode. It also has a front panel USB 3.2 gen 2 forn panel and 3.2 gen 1 back panel ports. Sufficient VRM for the low power 7800X3D

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz...ifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

 

[sergioalbertocmarin]

This would make for a pretty sick setup, with very high quality components, and plenty of cooling performance, without even having to press the budget. If I had 1000 dollars to invest in a new platform and was wanting to go with a Ryzen configuration, this is very likely what I'd do. Keep in mind the use of the X670E chipset gives you future PCIe 5.0 on the x16 graphics card slot so if you upgrade the graphics card later when 5.0 cards become available, you can utilize that as much as possible, but probably more important to a lot of users will be the dual 20Gbps USB and quad M.2. Being X670e instead of X670 you also have 20 PCIe 5.0 lanes out of a total of 44 lanes altogether, rather than only 4 PCIe 5.0 lanes on the X670 boards.

And this board has a very good VRM configuration. It also has BIOS flashback so you can update the BIOS even without a CPU or memory installed, and the very first thing I would do is check the box when you get it or boot immediately into the BIOS to see what BIOS version it came with because there is a brand new release dated on the 3rd of this month that addresses a few long standing issues on X670e including longer than expected boot times, and update right off the bat if it doesn't already have that version installed. Other than that, and regardless of that, this will absolutely get you where you want to go.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($399.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frost Commander 140 BLACK 95.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($43.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $840.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-06 00:52 EST-0500


And if you want to level up even further on the motherboard, which will of course mean spending a little more, you can always jump up a notch to something like the Carbon. But the Tomahawk is a pretty damn good board.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($399.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frost Commander 140 BLACK 95.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($43.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($449.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1010.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-06 01:02 EST-0500


If you want a board as good as either of these from Gigabyte, you are going to pay more for them. And as far as ASUS goes, their customer service is garbage these days regardless that they make good products so I don't even bother recommending them anymore unless I see some kind of outstanding deal that you simply cannot pass up, and I didn't, so I didn't.

The DDR5 6000 CL30 Trident memory has a pretty low 10nS true latency as well, which is really good for a DDR5 kit on 7000 series platforms.

Thanks for this great suggestion will def keep it under our radar, just one thing: say if we also wanted to consider ASRock any suggestions for those ? Or are they a skip? I noticed some people mentioning issues with USB ports and M2 in personal reviews in PCPartPicker but I guess that's bound to happen no matter what.
Regarding gigabyte they can be a bit more pricey depending on model right, but they also good no ? Asus had quality stuff but their prices and customer services can be something to think about for sure.

 

[sergioalbertocmarin]

Few questions:

Do you have any problems with your mobo? Are you lacking any IO?

@Darkbreeze explained very well on the perks of X670E. You might want all of those IO and features or not. You definitely pay extra for those features.

The reason i am asking about the mobo is cuz the 5800X3D is still a very relevant CPU for today's AAA games. And DDR5 costs more and is very new. Think of the 6000mhz DDR5 ram kits something like 2133mhz equivalent to DDR4. DDR5 still has a long way to go.

TL;DR unless you absolutely want a new PC, i would advice AM4 users to get the 5800X3D and use the cash on other parts like a new monitor or GPU.

Regarding the above build suggestion, few thoughts:

while the Trident Z neo are one of the best ram kits with RGB, the Frost commander will cover the ram with the front fan. So maybe go for cheaper non RGB model like these?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p9...-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ctced532g6400hc32adc01

Low profile, cheaper and fast SK Hynix A die rams for Ryzen 7800X3D

If you dont want all the IO and features of the X670E, have a look at this cheaper B650E which still supports 1 pcie 5.0 M.2 and the 1st pcie x16 slot in 5.0 mode. It also has a front panel USB 3.2 gen 2 forn panel and 3.2 gen 1 back panel ports. Sufficient VRM for the low power 7800X3D

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz...ifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

Our current system is fine, we are just looking ahead for when the time comes can be at the end of the year or the next one, Incase the next zen series comes around , also thanks for your input and suggestions all this is very helpful.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Most of the time, unless you are seeing it in bold letters across the entire internet and on the front of every tech review site, recently, the problems you see with the majority of motherboards that you hear about on forums and such are teething pains. Being honest, X670 had very serious problems with CPUs melting the socket in the beginning due to voltage control problems. That was corrected via BIOS updates and that's usually the way it goes. Almost every new chipset family has some kind of issues at first these days because companies don't complete the kind of longer BETA testing on stuff they way they used to do. Now, they just rush things out and fix it later. So anything you hear about problems with a given model or platform, take it with a grain of salt and do a LOT of looking around to confirm it because often it might only have been a problem early on. Not always, but usually.

As for ASRock, they don't have a lot of options in the X670e market and for the 7800X3D I don't think I'd opt for the Steel legend. The only board I'd want from them in this chipset family would be the Taichi and it is like 500 bucks. So............

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Asrock does have the Taichi lite B650E at 280 USD

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R2...i-lite-eatx-am5-motherboard-b650e-taichi-lite

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes, but the B650e chipset boards only have 36 PCIe lanes compared to the 44 on the X670e. It also has half the USB 10Gbps, half the USB 20Gbps and half the SATA ports. So if any of that, probably in terms of storage device support, is important to you, you probably don't want to opt for a board using the B650e chipset. PCIe 5.0 is also optional on B650e for NVME devices, so some boards may have it while others do not. But it is certainly an option.

For me however, I'd much rather pay the same price for the X670e Tomahawk.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

^ true, paying over 250 USD for a B650 is definitely not worth it.
That was why i was recommending the Riptide and Aorus Elite for normal users.