Need help on this.

[Julio Luna]

I have decided to built another system. this is currently my system so i hope i don't confuse anyone.

CASE: COOLER MASTER STORM SNIPER BLACK MESH
MOBO: GIGABYTE G41MT-S2P
CRUCIAL: DDR3 PC3-8500F (533) MHZ 2GB X2 TOTAL OF 4GB
CPU: INTEL CORE QUAD Q6600
ANTEC NEO 520W PSU
GPU: EVGA GTX 560TI


THIS IS WHAT I AM BUILDING:

MOBO: MSI 970 Gaming AM3+ ATX AMD Motherboard
CPU: AMD FX 6350 Black Edition 3.9GHz Six-Core Socket A
RAM: AMD Radeon Entertainment Series 8GB DDR3-1600 PC3-

So here is my questions: 1. Can i add more ram by using my crucial memory to my new mother motherboard? and is it ok to use my GPU for the new motherboard?

final question. 2. Can i use my psu 520w for the new components?

 

[RobWHS]

Search the internet for "psu calculator" Plenty out there for new builds.

 

[geofelt]

1. Not likely.
Ram is sold in kits for a reason.
A motherboard must manage all the ram using the same specs of voltage, cas and speed.
Ram from the same vendor and part number can be made up of differing manufacturing components over time.
Some motherboards can be very sensitive to this.
That is why ram vendors will NOT support ram that is not bought in one kit.
Although, I think the problem has lessened with the newer Intel chipsets. Still,
it is safer to get what you need in one kit.
2. Your gpu and graphics card will be fine.

I have my doubts that using a FX cpu with a new motherboard is a wise decision for a gaming build today.
Games typically depend on a few fast cores. FX cores are slow compared to haswell, and the difference can not be made up by more cores.

 

[Julio Luna]

1. Not likely.
Ram is sold in kits for a reason.
A motherboard must manage all the ram using the same specs of voltage, cas and speed.
Ram from the same vendor and part number can be made up of differing manufacturing components over time.
Some motherboards can be very sensitive to this.
That is why ram vendors will NOT support ram that is not bought in one kit.
Although, I think the problem has lessened with the newer Intel chipsets. Still,
it is safer to get what you need in one kit.
2. Your gpu and graphics card will be fine.

I have my doubts that using a FX cpu with a new motherboard is a wise decision for a gaming build today.
Games typically depend on a few fast cores. FX cores are slow compared to haswell, and the difference can not be made up by more cores.

Ok the ram i got it, but the only thing i can spend is $230, so what cpu and i get with this mobo? i see what you mean.

 

[Julio Luna]

Search the internet for "psu calculator" Plenty out there for new builds.

but is the 520W ok?

 

[lcp1109]

you can use the same RAM, but the new ones will run at 1066 and not 1600 mhz. There is also a chance that those two ram are incompatible.

Yes, you can use the power supply, according to partpicker you need 418w for CPU, GPU, MB and both RAM
But I don't recommend you to overclock using that PSU.

I would also recommend you to change to cheaper RAM and MB and to a better CPU:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($168.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($67.78 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $293.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-09 21:22 EDT-0400

or go intel:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($178.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $295.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-09 21:28 EDT-0400

 

[geofelt]

The Q6600 was a fine cpu in it's day.
If you have not overclocked it, you may still get useful life out of it.

The key question I have for you is how many cores are actually needed for the games you play, and how important is individual core speed.

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To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run your games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You could also experiment with removing one core. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option. set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many cores.

If your FPS drops significantly, it is an indicator that your cpu is the limiting factor, and a cpu upgrade is in order.

It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system, and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
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The FX-6350 is a decent option if you can actually use all 6 cores.
The reality is that few games can use more than two.
A I3-4160 has 4 threads, two very fast and two that are slower.
It is about the came price as the FX-6350.

If you can actually use 4 threads, the i5-4460 costs more like $185.
If you live near a microcenter, they have great deals on cpu and motherboard combos.

Here is tom's gaming cpu recommendations:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-3.html

A lga1150 motherboard will be as little as $50.
The nice thing about the lga1150 is that you have good upgrade options. to i5/i7 and possibly broadwell.
With amd, you can only go from 6 to 8 cores. Current chipsets will go away with the next amd generation.
(possibly with intel skylake too)

 

[Julio Luna]

you can use the same RAM, but the new ones will run at 1066 and not 1600 mhz. There is also a chance that those two ram are incompatible.

Yes, you can use the power supply, according to partpicker you need 418w for CPU, GPU, MB and both RAM
But I don't recommend you to overclock using that PSU.

I would also recommend you to change to cheaper RAM and MB and to a better CPU:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($168.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($67.78 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $293.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-09 21:22 EDT-0400

or go intel:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($178.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $295.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-09 21:28 EDT-0400

but according to crucial website its the same thing has AMD ram

 

[Julio Luna]

The Q6600 was a fine cpu in it's day.
If you have not overclocked it, you may still get useful life out of it.

The key question I have for you is how many cores are actually needed for the games you play, and how important is individual core speed.

------------------------------------------------------------
To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run your games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You could also experiment with removing one core. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option. set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many cores.

If your FPS drops significantly, it is an indicator that your cpu is the limiting factor, and a cpu upgrade is in order.

It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system, and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
-------------------------------------------------------------
The FX-6350 is a decent option if you can actually use all 6 cores.
The reality is that few games can use more than two.
A I3-4160 has 4 threads, two very fast and two that are slower.
It is about the came price as the FX-6350.

If you can actually use 4 threads, the i5-4460 costs more like $185.
If you live near a microcenter, they have great deals on cpu and motherboard combos.

Here is tom's gaming cpu recommendations:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-3.html

A lga1150 motherboard will be as little as $50.
The nice thing about the lga1150 is that you have good upgrade options. to i5/i7 and possibly broadwell.
With amd, you can only go from 6 to 8 cores. Current chipsets will go away with the next amd generation.
(possibly with intel skylake too)

with the CPU i never OC. never haha.

 

[geofelt]

PSU requirements are determined largely buy the graphics card.
Here is a nice table:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

Your Antec psu is a good one and since you are running ok now, a newer cpu should be less power hungry.
Your Q6600 is a 105w cpu.
The FX-6350 is a 125w cpu, probably not enough more to make a big difference. At least without an overclock.
The i5-4460 is a 84w cpu and the i3-4160 is 54w.

 

[Julio Luna]

PSU requirements are determined largely buy the graphics card.
Here is a nice table:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

Your Antec psu is a good one and since you are running ok now, a newer cpu should be less power hungry.
Your Q6600 is a 105w cpu.
The FX-6350 is a 125w cpu, probably not enough more to make a big difference. At least without an overclock.
The i5-4460 is a 84w cpu and the i3-4160 is 54w.

so i should stay with my PSU and get the FX-6350 or should i get FX 6600?

 

[lcp1109]

e 230$ for CPU, MB and Ram?

I think both rams will work together, but I cannot give you any assurances. I have 2x2g team +n 2bg PNY

Since you are not buying a new GPU, you should invest on the best CPU you can

 

[RobWHS]

Search the internet for "psu calculator" Plenty out there for new builds.

but is the 520W ok?

Use this calculator: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp