Need help picking a few parts for my rig

brodexcius

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Hi there :)

So I've been trying to find out just what kind of PC I'm gonna upgrade into, but I'm still not sure about a few things - first of all, heres the parts I've picked so far:



**CPU** | [Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor]
**Memory** | 2 x [Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
**Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk]
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive]

I already have a cabinet, so thats not needed but heres a few qustions I hope you might help me with answering:

**Graphic card** - I want to go for a GTX 780 Ti, but which one should I choose? I have no intention of overclocking, but where do I get the best "bang for the buck"?

**Motherboard** - I always find this topic confusing, as there are so many MB's, in such a wide price range. Ultimately, I want a MB that can pull off this CPU and GPU - I do not plan to run dual GPU at any point, so I don't want to pay for something I don't need, what would you recommend?

**Cooling** - Do I need to buy anything extra for cooling? I heard that water cooling isn't as expensive as it used to be, but is there anything you can recommend, and is it necesary?

**PSU** - So fare I've figured out that I should get a "green PSU", but what do I need for it to be able to run with the above setup?

If you can help me on any of my problems, it would be very much appreciated!
 
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Hi brodexcius,
A couple of things I noticed in your build:
1 Use pcpartpicker.com. It saves you money and makes life easier for you.
2. CPU: Do you really need a K-series cpu? I dont think that you'll need overclocking or hyper threading, and since Broadwell is being skipped and Skylake is next, it might be better to get the cpu that you actually need and then upgrade mobo/cpu in the future.
3. Memory: looks fine
4. Storage: since you are dealing with SSDs, you might want to Raid 0 2 128 GB SSDs instead of one big SSD. Up to you
5. Storage: HDD looks fine, you might want to go with 2 TB because the price difference is small between 1 and 2 TB. Again, up to you.
6. Case: Make sure that it will support you GPU and motherboard. Also good...
Get a regular 780; alot cheaper for price/performance, a 750w psu to be safe. No extra fans needed unless you plan OCing. At this point i would suggest any z87 mb will work fine with your i7. You could grab a 120-130$ mb.
 
PSU: Antec, Corsair (not CX), Seasonic, XFX ONLY. 650w or more will be plenty.

GPU: get the cheapest one. They are all the same really. "factory overclocks" really are for marketing and make no difference.

Motherboard: You NEED a z87 board if you plan to overclock the CPU.

Cooling: watercooling is definitely not necessary. I actually prefer air cooling. Look at the Noctua NH-D14 if you plan to seriously overclock the CPU.
 
Hi brodexcius,
A couple of things I noticed in your build:
1 Use pcpartpicker.com. It saves you money and makes life easier for you.
2. CPU: Do you really need a K-series cpu? I dont think that you'll need overclocking or hyper threading, and since Broadwell is being skipped and Skylake is next, it might be better to get the cpu that you actually need and then upgrade mobo/cpu in the future.
3. Memory: looks fine
4. Storage: since you are dealing with SSDs, you might want to Raid 0 2 128 GB SSDs instead of one big SSD. Up to you
5. Storage: HDD looks fine, you might want to go with 2 TB because the price difference is small between 1 and 2 TB. Again, up to you.
6. Case: Make sure that it will support you GPU and motherboard. Also good ventilation is key.
7. GPU: Go with the EVGA GTX 780 Classified. Its cores are unlocked for manual overclocking, but since thats not your thing it has GPU boost 2.0. For the price-performance-future proofness, its the best out there. 780 TI is not that much better but costs about $200 more.
8. Motherboard: This depends if you plan to upgrade your cpu to Skylake in the future. If no, go with the Asus Maximus VI Hero. Its about $200, so pretty pricy, but has a Q-Code on the actual board so you can trouble shoot extremely easily. I had a problem with my ram when I was building my computer, but the Q-Code light told me what the problem was instantly. Also, its very high grade, and has an extremely good sound card built into it.
9. Cooling: Check with your case/cabinet. If it supports a radiator, then you might want to go with that, depending on what you will be doing. Also check to make sure that it has good ventilation. IF YOU DO NOT PLAN ON OVERCLOCKING YOUR CPU, YOU DO NOT NEED WATERCOOLING. Noctua DH-14 is a very good cpu fan for air-based overclock-quality temperatures. Do your research in this area to find out what you will need.
10. PSU: Go with a gold-rated PSU. They have effeciencies up to about 93%, so very eco-friendly. Only go with a PSU made by a reputable company (XFX, Corsair, Seasonic, etc.). I would go with a Corsair 600M or 750M depending on what you will be doing with your computer. Again, pcpartpicker is a great reference for this. It also automatically calculates the wattage that you will need for your computer.

Thats all my thoughts on it 😀 It looks like you've done a great job so far, and I hope to hear about your progress in finding parts!
 
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What are you using this build for? If it's only for gaming:

i5-4670k
EVGA GTX 780 w/ ACX cooler
Asus Maximus VI Hero
Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3-1866MHz CAS 9
Western Digital Black 1TB (Games and other programs)
Samsung 840 EVO 120 Gb (OS SSD)
Corsair H105
Any case you like
Corsair AX 760i

The build is enough for playing any games at high-ultra settings on one 1920x1080p monitor. If you're also video editing/gaming on 3 monitors, upgrade to i7-4770k.
 


Yeah thats not correct. Gigabyte and PNY have EXTREMELY high failure rates on gpus. MSI and EVGA are much higher quality for a few extra dollars. Also factory overclocks set the core clock higher, so if you want a gpu that runs faster then it actually does make a difference. I would not recommend "going with the cheapest one" when you plan on buying a $700 graphics card.
 


I'm not sure about if I need the processor - To be honest, I just choose it because I've seen alot of people went for the 3770k, so I figured the 4770K would be a good pick now.

About the GPU, I really want to get a good graphic card, thats why I have been looking at the Ti, because I feel like if I choose this, then my GPU upgrade would be alot further away, but what exactly am I paying for by choosing the Ti model?

 


I only plan on gaming, but I also want to build good parts, so I don't have to upgrade right away. I've always felt like it would be better to pay those few extra bucks, for making the computer last a bit longer, but I also don't want to pay for more than I need - Would you still recommend me to pick the setup you mentioned? Do you have any idea what the price difference would be?



 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($179.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($709.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($116.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1036.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-17 11:28 EST-0500)

You can have an idea here : http://www.hwcompare.com/16380/geforce-gtx-780-ti-vs-geforce-gtx-780/
 


Well hyperthreading and overclocking is what your cpu is designed for. Its about $300 with both those features and $200 without. If you dont mind spending the extra 100 bucks to make it future proof, then stick with your current cpu. Your current cpu can overclock, but the non-overclocking version is about $20 less, so stay with your current one in case you change your mind in the future. (Overclocking is freakin awesome, you can boost your performance by about 30%)
Again I highly recommend going with a gtx 780, not a 780 ti. The 800 series will be release soon, so you can buy a 780 (60 fps crysis 3 ultra max settings to give you an idea) and then go 2 way sli for probably about 300 dollars more in a few months when prices drop. The 780 Ti is a waste of money because you will only be gaining about 15 more fps (anything higher than 57 fps is unnoticeable to the human eye).
Also spend the extra money for a asus maximus vi hero. Its going to be worth it in the long run. Its designed for gamers, and supports your current cpu (lga 1150). Dont go with another board thats only a few dollars less, go with the hero because of the q-code lights. I can instantly tell if something is wrong with my computer by just looking through the side panel (and sometimes errors are not apparent otherwise)
Best of luck to you, happy building!
 


Thanks alot mate :) I think I've decided on going with the 4770k, but definately go for 780 card instead of the Ti.

Now I'm still a bit concerned about the cooling stuff tho - I plan to use my old case, how exactly can I check if all the parts will fit, and what cooling system i should choose? Is there some specific measure's I can check? I'm not sure I can find the name of the specific Case, but I can try.

Once again thank you for all your help, it is very much appreciated :)
 


No problem 😀 As far as cooling goes, you should be able to tell if your case is micro, mid, or full ATX tower. A lot of cases don't support radiators, so water won't be a good idea until you can find a maker/model. Also, check your clearance between where you would expect the motherboard would be and the other panel of the case. That should tell you if you want to get a small fan or not. Also, the i7-4770k comes with a stock heatsink, so unless you plan on overclocking your cpu, that will be just fine.
 


Sorry mate, totally forgot to pick your answer as solution, you've helped a bunch.

So just to sum up:

The parts I've picked -

PSU:
Corsair RM750

motherboard:
ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO

Processor:
i7 4770K

Graphics:
eVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti Superclocked (3 GB)

RAM:
Kingston HyperX 2 x 4 GB

And with these parts picked, I' shouldn't worry about additional cooling, as fare as I understand, but moreso be sure that the parts will fit in my case, right?

EDIT: Forgot to mention my 2 harddrives :)
 




That's extremely similar to my build. I went with the 4770k as well, but instead of the 780 ti I went with the 780... EVGA brand because from what I read they seem the best. Second pick would have been Asus or Sapphire(if you want extra cool running)

As others said, the price/performance drops dramatically with the 780 ti... To illustrate, here is a benchmark chart:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

As you can see, the 780 costs more proportionally than the performance scales. It doesn't really pack any new features either, so honestly, I'd just stick with the 780. Put the extra money into more ram. I settled on the corsair vengeance pro 16gb(2x8)... The ones you originally had picked out... They were the best that bestbuy had at the time, but otherwise I'd of gone with the g-skill ripjaw series because it seems the best. They have a dominant share on the market, which means they have the most money to put into their products... That doesn't always equate to a better product, but it does usually mean higher potentially, and I think g-skill seems to actually specialize in ram and make use of that potential. Too bad I didn't get to try them, but the corsair ones seem good too. Still, I'd got with 16gb over 8... That will future proof your pc more than a bit more gpu will, because as more bloated apps fill your pc and windows 8 keeps bloating in ram usage, it really will help a LOT... The hyper-threading in the i7 cpu will also allow the ram to be used twice as efficiently.

More important than additional cooling, is that you double check your current case and be sure it has adequate space and ventilation. If it's old, you may want to upgrade... Some of the new common features in cases these days are pretty handy, like toolless docks, dust filters, cable management slots and tie downs, usb 3 front ports, etc.

Overall it looks good... And I hope it is, because it's largely the same as I just bought. Spent $2400 on mine total, but I spent a lot on frills... Such as a phantom 530 case, steelseries apex keyboard, surround sound, wifi card to use my pc as a home network hub, and 4 tbs of hdd space + 750gb samsung ssd.

Oh and my psu was the cs-750w gold certified from corsair.... seemed good and well reviewed, and again was the best bestbuy had at the time... Hope it doesn't suffer these 'issues' that people speak of like the cs and rm ones.... If given the option, after all my research, my first choice in psu, for either of our builds, would be a 750w gold certified from either seasonic or xfx, as I've heard resoundingly good things about them... People also say antec, but I had my last rig die, taking the psu, cpu, and mobo out all at the same time... Psu was an antec earthwatts 850w... .Dunno if that was the problem or not, but call me paranoid... It was in a pre-custom-built pc and they skimped on the mobo badly by marking as "major brand" instead of the actual brand... Was a pos cheapo one...

With that said, build it yourself, don't get it custom built. And don't buy those stupid 400 dollar warranty scams... The parts all come with 2+ year manufacturer warranties, minus the gpu which is 1 year... So really you pay 400 dollars for someone else to put a static safe bag on your stuff before sending back for return.

Anyways, best of luck, I can't help but feel like I'm in the same boat, having the same high priced parts..... Still waiting on the case, cpu, and peripherals in the mail before putting it together.
 


Well you will have to find out if they will fit in your case or not because only you know what the case is. As far as everything else, it looks fine. Just make sure that your PSU will have enough 8 pin power plugs for your gpu (mine didnt the first time so I had to buy another lol). As far as memory goes, its fine for a budget build, but honestly with all of your parts I would go a little more high-end with your mem, because it might bottleneck you later. Corsair sells some really good ram, but just make sure that anything higher than 1333 mHz you manually go into BIOS and set it to the manufactured speed.
So the recap: think about what you will be needing to do when building the computer (ie plug in the gpu power cable) and make sure that everything will be compatible. Also make sure your case will be good (because there is no point in spending 2000 bucks on a computer if you have a crappy case that might overheat your parts) If you want to change cases, I highly recommend the NZXT source 530. Very good quality and low price. Its used by lots of people. Also consider getting better ram. The least expensive is usually the cheapest. Look at CAS latency and timings, and also clock speed. Buy from high-end companies (bascially not adata, pny, etc. corsair is really good and kingston can be too.)
I know I'm long winded 😀 but I hope all that helps.