Question Need help picking from the PSU tierlist

[OtapIc]

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I assume most ppl who'll answer this thread already knows what the tier list is. I just need a recommendation for a Tier A or B PSU that's not pricey

I need an upgrade for my frankly crappy PSU, it held up for 2 years but it's about time I change into something reliable. I check the tierlist and well I realized I couldn't read it that well.

Hence why I'm asking for help, I'm looking at evga or seasonic but there's way too many models and have heard some of them might be bad and I don't really know which one is which

Edit: Thank you Aeacus and everyone else who's helped, so after a day of searching on the marketplace I've found an [MSI MPG A750GF] that was just close enough to my budget (brand new) and have decided on that instead

 

[Aeacus]

Full system specs? So we know how big of a wattage PSU to suggest.

Also, budget of the PSU is?

 

[OtapIc]

Full system specs? So we know how big of a wattage PSU to suggest.

Also, budget of the PSU is?

GPU: GTX 1060 3gb (might upgrade to a 3070 soon tho)
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600x
Motherboard: Asrock B450m Steel Legend
Ram: 2x8gb 3200MHz
1 SSD and a 7200RPM HDD

For the budget I'm just looking for the cheapest I could buy without sacrificing reliability, if it was a number I'd probably wanna fork out at most $80 but I'd be more comfortable if it's in the $60 range

 

[--SID--]

I'd probably wanna fork out at most $80 but I'd be more comfortable if it's in the $60 range

USD? You're buying in the US?

 

[Aeacus]

As is, your PC does fine with 550W PSU. But with RTX 3070, you need to look towards 850W PSU. And 850W unit isn't cheap. Way out of your budget.

These three would be cheapest Tier A, 850W units, i'd suggest;
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/jWFXsY,26rRsY,9KGbt6/

And these 4 are 550W units. All are Tier A, except Super Flower unit, which is Tier B low priority,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/bkp323,KmgzK8,49VG3C,LjZ9TW/

PSUs are expensive. Then again, good quality costs money. This has been so always.

 

[OtapIc]

USD? You're buying in the US?

No, but if I were to convert it to Indonesian Currency IDR it would be Rp 1,2 million at max and my comfortable range would be in the Rp 900 thousand or less

https://www.tokopedia.com/ is where we'd buy parts online in Indonesia

 

[--SID--]

At least you need a 650w Tier B for a RTX 3070.
Asus TUF 650B is the only one that fits your budget.

 

[OtapIc]

As is, your PC does fine with 550W PSU. But with RTX 3070, you need to look towards 850W PSU. And 850W unit isn't cheap. Way out of your budget.

These three would be cheapest Tier A, 850W units, i'd suggest;
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/jWFXsY,26rRsY,9KGbt6/

And these 4 are 550W units. All are Tier A, except Super Flower unit, which is Tier B low priority,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/bkp323,KmgzK8,49VG3C,LjZ9TW/

PSUs are expensive. Then again, good quality costs money. This has been so always.

Yeap wow I did not expect them to be that expensive.
Btw are you sure 850W for a 3070 isn't overkill? I'm certain the watt difference between a 1060 and 3070 doesn't warrant the 300W extra on the PSU

 

[geofelt]

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I assume most ppl who'll answer this thread already knows what the tier list is. I just need a recommendation for a Tier A or B PSU that's not pricey

I need an upgrade for my frankly crappy PSU, it held up for 2 years but it's about time I change into something reliable. I check the tierlist and well I realized I couldn't read it that well.

Hence why I'm asking for help, I'm looking at evga or seasonic but there's way too many models and have heard some of them might be bad and I don't really know which one is which

tier lists are opinions, and they vary.
Once you have the wattage you need, look for a psu with a 7 year or better warranty. Virtually all will be good.
If you have seasonic available, their focus line is good.
For example, this focus 550w has a 7 year warranty:
https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-focus-550-gold-ssr-550fm-550w/p/N82E16817151203?Item=N82E16817151203
The 650w unit is only $12 more:
https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-focus-650-gold-ssr-650fm-650w/p/N82E16817151202
750w is another $10.
My point is that a stronger psu usually is only incrementally pricier, but will allow you a better future gpu upgrade.

 

[Aeacus]

No, but if I were to convert it to Indonesian Currency IDR it would be Rp 1,2 million at max and my comfortable range would be in the Rp 900 thousand or less

https://www.tokopedia.com/ is where we'd buy parts online in Indonesia

650W, Tier B, Seasonic Core GM-650,
link: https://www.tokopedia.com/enterkomputer/psu-seasonic-core-gold-gm-650-650w-modular-80-gold-psu-650w

650W unit isn't enough for RTX 3070. 850W would be enough.

850W, Tier A, Seasonic Focus GX-850,
link: https://www.tokopedia.com/itkelapag...gold-gx-850-fx-850-850w-full-modular-psu-850w

Btw are you sure 850W for a 3070 isn't overkill? I'm certain the watt difference between a 1060 and 3070 doesn't warrant the 300W extra on the PSU

This, over provisioning with wattage, is due to GPU transient power spikes.

What are transient power spikes? A video to watch:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ


Meaning that a RTX 3070, which is 220W GPU, can easily pull 2-3 times more power, for milliseconds. E.g ~600W or so. And when your PSU can not cope with that, e.g you have 550W unit, PC will shut down. Hence why i suggest 850W unit for RTX 3070.

 

[OtapIc]

At least you need a 650w Tier B for a RTX 3070.
Asus TUF 650B is the only one that fits your budget.

Ah ok thanks so that's what the model is called, I was searching for Asus TUF bronze because it was one that I could read properly. But I wasn't sure if the one I saw is the one listed in the tierlist

 

[OtapIc]

650W, Tier B, Seasonic Core GM-650,
link: https://www.tokopedia.com/enterkomputer/psu-seasonic-core-gold-gm-650-650w-modular-80-gold-psu-650w

650W unit isn't enough for RTX 3070. 850W would be enough.

850W, Tier A, Seasonic Focus GX-850,
link: https://www.tokopedia.com/itkelapag...gold-gx-850-fx-850-850w-full-modular-psu-850w



This, over provisioning with wattage, is due to GPU transient power spikes.

What are transient power spikes? A video to watch:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ


Meaning that a RTX 3070, which is 220W GPU, can easily pull 2-3 times more power, for milliseconds. E.g ~600W or so. And when your PSU can not cope with that, e.g you have 550W unit, PC will shut down. Hence why i suggest 850W unit for RTX 3070.

well that's way more reasonable in price. think I'll just save up a bit and get the seasonic focus gx one, didn't know about transient power spikes

And speaking of, why would transient power not be in an issue with the 1060 on a 550W PSU? or is it just because a 550W is enough to handle the spikes?

 

[Aeacus]

And speaking of, why would transient power not be in an issue with the 1060 on a 550W PSU? or is it just because a 550W is enough to handle the spikes?

Look what Steve explains about it.

It's to do with Nvidia laziness in optimization of their GPUs. Transient power spikes weren't an issue with GTX 10- and 16-series, but since RTX 20-series, where GPUs started to become power hogs, this became more apparent. RTX 30-series has it the worst. While with RTX 40-series, Nvidia has made some improvements and these transient power spikes aren't all over the floor anymore, but still are an issue.

E.g RTX 4070 Ti review, at 18:31 comes the transient power spikes test;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-FMPbm5CNM


It is better than RTX 30-series had it, but still, 285W RTX 4070 Ti, pulling 400W, means folks still have to over provision with wattage.

 

[OtapIc]

It's to do with Nvidia laziness in optimization of their GPUs. Transient power spikes weren't an issue with GTX 10- and 16-series, but since RTX 20-series, where GPUs started to become power hogs, this became more apparent. RTX 30-series has it the worst. While with RTX 40-series, Nvidia has made some improvements and these transient power spikes aren't all over the floor anymore, but still are an issue

So could I assume AMD doesn't have this same problem with their newer GPUs or atleast the 6000 series? Because the more you say the more I'm leaning to upgrading to team red

 

[--SID--]

think I'll just save up a bit and get the seasonic focus gx one

That must be a used PSU. A new Focus GX-850 is over 2M in Indonesia.

Because the more you say the more I'm leaning to upgrading to team red

The same with AMD. But don't worry. A decent 650w is plenty for a RTX 3070.

 

[Aeacus]

So could I assume AMD doesn't have this same problem with their newer GPUs or atleast the 6000 series?

I'd be skeptical with AMD as well, since their GPUs have also gone up in terms of power consumption.

E.g RX 580 is 185W GPU, while RX 6800 is whopping 250W GPU.

AMD GPUs, for years, have been far more power consuming, compared to the same era Nvidia GPU. E.g RX 580 counterpart would be GTX 1060. Both perform the same, while GTX 1060 is 120W but RX 580 is 185W. That, and RX 580 also came out 1 year later.

Gave a look around and;
RX 6800 review, with transient power spike at 25:30;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbYCF_h2aVM


We can see, that RX 6800, despite being 250W GPU, can pull ~320W. So, transient power spikes are issue with AMD GPUs as well. Maybe not as severe as it is with Nvidia, but still an issue.

 

[OtapIc]

That must be a used PSU. A new Focus GX-850 is over 2M in Indonesia.

Right, I just checked it again, it does say used under the description.

I think I'll go with the Asus tuf Recommendation, it being Bronze rated and not modular shouldn't be too big of a compromise right?

 

[Aeacus]

it being Bronze rated and not modular shouldn't be too big of a compromise right?

Define "too big".

E.g for me, 80+ Bronze efficiency isn't that big of a deal, since you'd be wasting 15% of all the power PSU pulls from the wall, as excess heat. While with 80+ Gold unit, that loss would be 10% and with 80+ Titanium unit, loss is mere 6%.
Btw, i'm using 80+ Titanium PSUs, since i also have UPSes and wasting as little power as excess heat, increases my UPSes runtime.

But PSU modularity, for me, is a big deal.
Not it is only very annoying to install fully-wired PSU (since all cables are attached), but it also gives a good headache where to stuff in all the excess and unused power cables. And depending on PC case used, that ratsnest of power cables, hinders airflow quite a lot. Also, it's a great dust magnet.
Here's further reading about PSU modularity: https://www.cgdirector.com/full-vs-semi-vs-non-modular-power-supply/

Btw, i have used 80+ Bronze, fully-wired PSU. My Seasonic S12II-520 was one such unit. Great workhorse of a PSU and the best group-regulated PSU ever made. I still have it in storage, just in case. After my S12II-520, i upgraded to Seasonic PRIME 650 (80+ Titanium) PSU (aka TX-650) + CableMod custom sleeved paracord power cables, for extra looks.
Overall, fully-modular PSU = convenience, better airflow, less dust.

 

[Vic 40]

No, but if I were to convert it to Indonesian Currency IDR it would be Rp 1,2 million at max and my comfortable range would be in the Rp 900 thousand or less

https://www.tokopedia.com/ is where we'd buy parts online in Indonesia

Right at the top of your budget if i'm not mistaken,
https://www.tokopedia.com/rispa-t/msi-mpg-a650gf-psu-650w-80-gold-fully-modular?extParam=ivf=false&src=search
probably your best choice.
There is also this tier B with abit of extra wattage,
https://www.tokopedia.com/globalcom...-750w-80-bronze?extParam=ivf=false&src=topads
not sure where the differences with the Asus TUF are,might be capacitors or fan. Think SID probably will be able to tell.

 

[--SID--]

not sure where the differences with the Asus TUF are,might be capacitors or fan. Think SID probably will be able to tell.

Only the topology of the platform is the same. For the rest it's a complete different unit from a different OEM. Great Wall for the TUF and XHY for the MWE Gold V2. The quality is comparable.

 

[OtapIc]

Right at the top of your budget if i'm not mistaken,
https://www.tokopedia.com/rispa-t/msi-mpg-a650gf-psu-650w-80-gold-fully-modular?extParam=ivf=false&src=search
probably your best choice.
There is also this tier B with abit of extra wattage,
https://www.tokopedia.com/globalcomputercentre/psu-cooler-master-mwe-750-v2-750w-80-bronze?extParam=ivf=false&src=topads
not sure where the differences with the Asus TUF are,might be capacitors or fan. Think SID probably will be able to tell.

The MSI is used sadly, wouldn't wanna touch that lol.

I did read a few years ago when I was searching for PSUs that the MWE had some sort of flaw in it (jonnyguru or this forum, I don't remember). Maybe they've fixed it because it's v2 now?

I'd probably go with MWE if it is fixed, considering I found one in another store in tokopedia that's actually cheaper than the 650w TUF one

 

[Vic 40]

Only the topology of the platform is the same. For the rest it's a complete different unit from a different OEM. Great Wall for the TUF and XHY for the MWE Gold V2. The quality is comparable.

Thanks, quality diference is most important and since not really any difference good to go on the Coooler Master.

The MSI is used sadly, wouldn't wanna touch that lol.



I'd probably go with MWE if it is fixed, considering I found one in another store in tokopedia that's actually cheaper than the 650w TUF one

Language .... well too bad the MSI is used.

The Cooler Master seems a god choice.

Abit surprised, but Aeacus usually suggests getting abit lower priced gpu to get a better psu, in your case might that still be a good choice.

 

[Aeacus]

Abit surprised, but Aeacus usually suggests getting abit lower priced gpu to get a better psu, in your case might that still be a good choice.

That i suggest when it's quite clear that someone has money at hand, to buy both the GPU and PSU at once. OP here, does not have money currently to go for better GPU. Only some money to get better PSU beforehand. After which, OP starts collecting money for GPU.
So, no point suggesting cheaper GPU. Other than, perhaps, lesser TDP GPU, so that the PSU doesn't have to be that high wattage unit.

I think I'll go with the Asus tuf Recommendation, it being Bronze rated and not modular shouldn't be too big of a compromise right?

Sometimes, when there isn't much PSUs to choose from, and/or the price is way too high, suggesting generation older PSUs is viable.
That being said, one option is to go with generation older, but still good PSU, Seasonic G-750, brand new btw,
link: https://www.tokopedia.com/snc399/seasonic-g-750-750-watt-80-gold-semi-modular-ssr-750rm-active-pfc-3
specs: https://seasonic.com/g-series
review 1: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/seasonic-g550/
review 2: http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/seasonic-g-series-550w-power-supply-review/

In PSU tier list, Seasonic G-series is Tier A, low priority unit (look for G RM).
And it's semi-modular, 80+ Gold unit. Better than that Asus TUF unit. Cheaper too.

 

[--SID--]

Better than that Asus TUF unit. Cheaper too.

At least 6 years old and no warranty anymore.

In PSU tier list, Seasonic G-series is Tier A, low priority unit (look for G RM)

Where is it in the Tierlist?

 

[Aeacus]

At least 6 years old and no warranty anymore.

Warranty starts from purchase date, and not from manufacturing date.

I guess you're still stuck with the MSI Turbostream PSU warranty policy, and apply it to all PSUs.

Where is it in the Tierlist?

TH version does include EOL units: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...er-list-rev-14-8-final-update-jul-21.3624094/
And so does the LTT version: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-rev-148/

Yours doesn't include EOL PSUs, which still are viable. Especially outside USA, in 3rd world countries, which your PSU Tier list, does not cater for. Nor does your PSU buying guide, only catering for capitalist USA. Also, your site is biased beyond belief, overwhelmingly pushing Corsair onto people. Corsair PSUs are #1 in every suggested category on that site. This shows biased views.

For proper PSU suggestions, which isn't biased, take a look at TH suggestions,
link: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-psus,4229.html

There, several companies are presented, where Corsair isn't #1 in all of them, since Corsair isn't PSU king.