Need new Modem & Router for Verizon Fios

[Knicks2012]

Tired of my connections constantly dropping from an old DNS and a broken router. Need something thats fast, has a long range, can handle 5 devices at once and is secure. Connection speeds is 50/25 mbps with a possible bump in the future.

 

[i7Baby]

Verizon will supply the Domain Name Server address they use. Else use Google's.

Is your modem OK? The TP AC 1750 router is pretty good - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704177

 

[Knicks2012]

Modem sucks too need a new one as well

 

[i7Baby]

I think the equivalent TP Link Modem/Router also takes cable. Try http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1YH2CN6777

 

[Knicks2012]

Could use a new usb wifi adapter too so how about this setup? Keep in mind I have Verizon Fios

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FB45USW/ref=pd_aw_sim_pc_2?refRID=09CB7FA053F8D0YKPQ59

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MPI5N7U/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AJHDZSI/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1425278712&sr=8-2&keywords=modem&dpPl=1&dpID=51KZmqF1T1L&ref=plSrch&pi=AC_SX200_QL40

 

[bill001g]

You can not replace the verizon modem/router with any standard router. It uses coax cable but is not a DOCSIS based system, it uses a proprietary MoCA based system.

If you have cable tv service from them also you are stuck because the set top boxes need the verizon router to provide internet based services.

If you have only internet service from them you can call and ask them to activate the ethetnet port on the ONT box. You can then use pretty much any router that has a ethernet based wan

 

[Knicks2012]

I only have Verizon phones and internet, no TV

 

[i7Baby]

You need to check with Verizon whether you can use another modem.

 

[bill001g]

I am not sure how their voice plans work.....I have used only cell plans for years. Since you have to call their customer service number anyway to get the ONT ethernet active you can ask. I have heard it is actually possible to run the ethernet and leave the verizon device just for TV...not sure on voice. Still I am sure they will want more money if they leave both ports on.

Some of the verizon reps do not know there is a option to use the ethernet on the ONT so you may have to talk to a number of guys.

 

[i7Baby]

Its all the same internet. Voice plans usually come with a VoIP phone.

 

[Knicks2012]

I'll talk to Verizon when I get home. Would be great If I can use the products I picked out. Thanks guys will update you guys later.

 

[Knicks2012]

Just talked with them and I should have 0 problems using 3rd party. So now I need a great router with insane range that can penetrate multiple walls and floors with minimal drop in speeds. Needs to handle multiple internet heavy devices like desktop playing multiplayer games with a laptop next to it streaming gameplay, mac surfing the web and watching videos, couple smartphones and a couple tablets. At any given time there could be 5 or 6 devices using the internet at the same time.

Connection speed is 75/75 mbps but im sure ill upgrade within a year or two so i might as well get a great router and modem now

Already picked out a usb wifi adapter, the netgear nighthawk looks great but looks like complete overkill

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MRVJY1G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2YLYLTN75J8LR

 

[i7Baby]

5 devices into 75mbs gives 15mbs each.

You should hook up to the modem by ethernet cable where you can. Gives you the fastest speeds. All routers have the same ethernet cable speed.

wifi is limited by the band you're on. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11

 

[bill001g]

The router you linked before is well liked by many people looking for 802.11ac routers. The nasty secret to 802.11ac is it runs much faster than most 802.11n connection BUT it only runs on the 5g band. 5g has much more issues penetrating walls and floors.

It is all going to depend on the layout of your house and what it is built out of much more than any particular router.

As mentioned you want to cable as much as you possibly can. This leaves more wireless for the devices that can not run wired.

Almost any router can pass 75m of traffic. Only some of the very older ones can not do it. The 87u you linked is said to be able to do 780m. ...of course that is wired ethernet to the wired wan port.

One concern should be how you get a ethernet cable from where the ONT is to a good location to place the router. Most times the ONT Is not is a good place for a wireless router.

 

[Knicks2012]

5 devices into 75mbs gives 15mbs each.

You should hook up to the modem by ethernet cable where you can. Gives you the fastest speeds. All routers have the same ethernet cable speed.

wifi is limited by the band you're on. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11

Mac will be using ethernet cable but everything else is on wifi. Desktop and laptop are just way too far to run a cable.

 

[Knicks2012]

The router you linked before is well liked by many people looking for 802.11ac routers. The nasty secret to 802.11ac is it runs much faster than most 802.11n connection BUT it only runs on the 5g band. 5g has much more issues penetrating walls and floors.

It is all going to depend on the layout of your house and what it is built out of much more than any particular router.

As mentioned you want to cable as much as you possibly can. This leaves more wireless for the devices that can not run wired.

Almost any router can pass 75m of traffic. Only some of the very older ones can not do it. The 87u you linked is said to be able to do 780m. ...of course that is wired ethernet to the wired wan port.

One concern should be how you get a ethernet cable from where the ONT is to a good location to place the router. Most times the ONT Is not is a good place for a wireless router.

So since I have so many devices that rely on wifi and they need to go through walls I should probably go with N instead of AC right?

 

[bill001g]

Doesn't matter a lot. 802.11ac routers will run both 802.11ac and 802.11n. Cost wise the 802.11n and 802.11ac routers are get closer and closer so its up to you if you feel you will use it in the future.

Mostly it is a expectation thing. People buy 802.11ac routers and they run the same speed as their 802.11n router when they use the 2.4g band and they wonder why.

 

[Knicks2012]

Doesn't matter a lot. 802.11ac routers will run both 802.11ac and 802.11n. Cost wise the 802.11n and 802.11ac routers are get closer and closer so its up to you if you feel you will use it in the future.

Mostly it is a expectation thing. People buy 802.11ac routers and they run the same speed as their 802.11n router when they use the 2.4g band and they wonder why.

Does N go through walls better than AC?

 

[i7Baby]

The 5GHz goes further than the 2.4GHz.

 

[bill001g]

It is not 802.11n or 802.11ac so much.

2.4g penetrates walls much better than 5g.

So 802.11n on 2.4g goes farther than 802.11n on 5g.

The key difference between 802.11ac and 802.11n is it uses more radio bandwidth which means it can fit more data it. The signal level is exactly the same so the distance it goes is the same. But at the same distance you will get more data.....at least in theory.

The key thing is that you can not run 802.11ac on 2.4g so you tend to get better signal levels in your house using 802.11n on 2.4g. If you were allowed to run 802.11ac on 2.4g it should run faster but the governments do not allow it so you are stuck.

 

[Knicks2012]

The 5GHz goes further than the 2.4GHz.

If you were in my position what would you get? Budget of $400 for both a modem and router

 

[bill001g]

You do not need a modem. There is no modem you can buy that will work with verizon. They do not use DOCSIS.

The ONT will act as a modem you plug directly into the ethernet port.

 

[i7Baby]

I'd get the best I could afford eg the Nighthawk, AC1750 or 1900 or even 2400. eg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320208

 

[Knicks2012]

You do not need a modem. There is no modem you can buy that will work with verizon. They do not use DOCSIS.

The ONT will act as a modem you plug directly into the ethernet port.

Ok so just buy a cat 5 or 6 cable and run it to my new router and im golden?

 

[bill001g]

Yes that should be all there is too it.....assuming the bonehead at verizon turn the port on for you they way they are suppose to. They told my brother 3 times they had it active, when the tech finally came out guess what it was not really active...they had done some other customers house by mistake.